Talk:Guy Bradley

Sources

Hammer, Roger (2005). Everglades National Park and the Surrounding Area: A Guide to Exploring the Great Outdoors, Morris Book Publishing, LLC. ISBN 9780762734320

p. 73:

Flamingo was also a place of murder and intrigue. There is a plaque located at the base of the stairs of the Flamingo ranger station that honors Guy Bradley, a onetime resident plume hunter who was appointed as the Monroe County deputy sheriff and game warden in June 1902. He was charged with enforcing a new law that made it illegal to shoot plume birds for the millinery trade. On July 8, 1905, Bradley heard gunshots ring across Florida Bay from the Oyster Keys just offshore of Flamingo, so he made a journey out to the islands in his skiff to investigate. There he encountered Walter Smith and he two sons shooting plume birds. An argument ensued and Smith shot Bradley dead. Smith then fled to Key West, where he turned himself in, claiming self-defense. A Key West grand jury failed to indict Smith and he walked away a free man. Bradley was buried on Cape Sable, but Hurricane Donna ravaged his gravesite in 1960 and his body was lost to the sea. A park employee found his original gravestone and it is now a part of the Flamingo Visitor Center interpretive displays. A memorial plaque was donated by Tropical Audubon Society and is located outside of the Flamingo Visitor Center. It reads: AUDUBON WARDEN WAS SHOT AND KILLED OFF THIS SHORE BY OUTLAW FEATHER HUNTERS, JULY 8, 1905. HIS MARTYRDOM CREATED NATIONWIDE INDIGNATION, STRENGTHENED BIRD PROTECTION LAWS AND HELPED BRING EVERGLADES NATIONAL PARK INTO BEING.

Tebeau, Charlton W. (1963) They Lived in the Park: The Story of Man in the Everglades National Park, University of Miami Press.

p. 75: Guy and Louis Bradley first visited Everglades in 1885 with Jean Chevelier in an expedition on the Bonton. I included mention of this expedition in the Exploration section of the Draining article. With the Bradleys and Chevelier was Henry Wagner, 17-year-old grandson of a Miami resident who became unnerved by the wildness of the Everglades.

p. 145-146: Guy and Louis' parents were Edwin R. and Lydia Bradley who settled in Orlando in the 1870s. Edwin a postal worker who also lived in Melbourne and Lantana. Father was a barefoot mailman who delivered mail from Palm Beach to Miami and also served as Dade County School superintendent and head of Florida Coast Line and Transportation Company and the Model Land Company that sold land for the railroads. Moved to Flamingo after they acquired 1/4 mile each for Edwin, Guy, and Louis, and where Edwin worked as the postmaster.

p. 155: Guy served as guide for ornithologists.

p. 169: Guy once refused to guide ornithologist Frank Chapman to Cuthbert Rookery (named for the first plume hunter to find it) because the birds had been depleted there. Louis and another man named Melch Roberts guided Chapman and two other naturalists there in 1908. Chapman later wrote, "Cuthbert Rookery should be preserved both because it is a fine example of a type of communal bird life for which Florida was once distinguished and because it will be the last refuge for several species of birds, which, without such protection, will shortly become extinct in the United States."

p. 170:

Bradley's death in 1905 in pursuit of his commission to prevent the slaughter of the newly-protected birds gave the cause a martyr, and his sponsors called national attention to the conservation problem involved. The murder of Warden C. G. McLeod in the seame service near Charlotte Harbor three years later added fuel to the burning seal of the protectors of birds.

Thanks, Moni! I appreciate the help. Small favor, though: could you check the publication info for Hammer's book? Worldcat lists the publisher info as "Guilford, Conn.: Globe Pequot Press"; if your copy is via Morris, what's the city? María (habla conmigo) 13:43, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

According to the verso, both are right. The book is copyrighted by Morris. It's a Falconguide, a subsidiary of Globe Pequot Press and a trademark of Morris Publishing. --Moni3 (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks. :) María (habla conmigo) 22:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Guy Bradley/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sasata (talk) 17:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I've signed up for this review. I'll have some comments here in a day or two. Sasata (talk) 17:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Very interesting read. I have a number of suggestions and comments, all relatively minor (and feel free to disagree):

• lead: link egret, conservationists

• Done. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• "much publicized" needs hypen?

• True that; added. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• link Fort Lauderdale House of Refuge

• No article exists. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• How about Houses of Refuge in Florida? Sasata (talk) 15:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Sure, that works. María (habla conmigo) 17:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• dab Lake Worth, Palm Beach, DeSoto County

• Done. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• link superintendent

• Done. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• "At the time, plume feathers were reportedly more valuable than gold, selling for more than $20 an ounce." unclear—what was $20, feathers or gold?

• Clarified; the feathers, not the gold. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• how long was the 1,397 bird-killing expedition? (days, weeks…)

• Several weeks. Added. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• "were being killed for millinery purposes" last two words sound awkward to me

• Changed to "for the millinery trade"; hope that helps? María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• link Florida Coast Line and Transportation Company

• No article exists. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Is this equivalent? Florida Coast Line Canal and Transportation Company Sasata (talk) 15:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Doh, yes. Thanks! María (habla conmigo) 17:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• "Guy and his brother, who continued working as guides and hunters, each received a quarter of a mile of land in Flamingo as his own." I'm not sure why or from whom they received this land, was it a gift from their father?

• Good point; I've clarified that they received the land as part of a deal for their father's job. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• acronym AOU not defined

• Fixed. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• "vice president" hyphenated?

• Not typically, no. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• how long (#'s) was the area Guy had to patrol?

• I did some preliminary searching, but haven't found an overall number yet. Will keep looking. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• link herons, spoonbills and ibis

• Done. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• plume hunting hyphenated?

• Not in the sources, no. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• "By 1904, Audubon had 34 wardens employed in ten states." Is Audubon the national organization (in contrast to the state Audubon of the last section)? Link?

• Whoops, needed to clarify that. Audubon didn't go national (again) until 1905, so until then there were just separate state organizations. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• "After accepting the position as game warden, however, Bradley had become a vilified figure in southern Florida" I'm not convinced that "had become" is better than "became" here.

• Sure, changed. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• "His body was never found and the perpetrators were not caught." If his body was never found, how do they know he was killed (and by poachers?)

• Ahh, you want the sordid details -- hat found with brain matter splattered inside? Added something a little less graphic. :) María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• not all listed sources give states in the location, and there is a mix of 2- and 3-letter state abbreviations

• Added. María (habla conmigo) 13:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasata (talk • contribs) 01:25, July 15, 2010

Thanks for making the changes, I've suggested a couple of links above. The article certainly meets all GA criteria and I'm promoting it now. Sasata (talk) 15:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Yay! --Moni3 (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, yay indeed! Thanks for the helpful review, Sasata. :) María (habla conmigo) 17:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Father's career path

Is there any explanation as to how Edwin stepped up from being warden of a hostel and postman to superintendent of education in such a short time? Even in those days, I would have thought that a superintendent of education would need some experience in teaching and leading a school. Kevin McE (talk) 12:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Because Miami was a white-dirt town of several hundred people. It was not incorporated until 1896, upon the unanimous vote of all 512 residents. When Edwin Bradley was superintendent, I imagine the qualifications for the job were considerably less than what they are today. --Moni3 (talk) 19:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

I have removed some obvious vandalism forn the article. Including : the martian desert, evil chicken etc

Nmac-YK (talk) 23:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Aftermath

Bradley's death and Smith's acquittal made national headlines; detailed stories ran in the New York Times,[31][32] the New York Herald, the Philadelphia North American, and Forest and Stream.[30][33] His wife and two young children were given a home in Key West,...

Who's wife and young children were given a home in Key West? Bradley's or Smith's? Probably the former one's but reading the preceding sentence I am not sure. --194.246.46.15 (talk) 13:00, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

You're correct, that was a little ambiguous. I've clarified it per your suggestion, thanks! María (habla conmigo) 13:20, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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