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Taxonomy trouble, or missing page?Edit

Howdy hello folks! I recently came across this cool but clickbaity article that mentioned Ceyx mindanensis, the South Philippine Dwarf-kingfisher. HBW has an entry on it [1], but we don't have a page for it. We do however have Philippine dwarf kingfisher. My question here: are we missing a page, or is this a taxonomic issue. For whit, see this paper in The Auk, which might seem to place it as a subspecies of Ceyx melanurus, though it doesn't say explicitly. The IOC bird list has Ceyx melanurus mindanensis, but its also unclear whether that refers to Ceyx mindanensis, or simply reflects the fact that a heck ton of Phillipine birds have mindanensis in the name because of the island of Mindanao. Guidance appreciated. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 08:56, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

This is a case where HBW has split a species and promoted a subspecies to species status. There are several hundred such cases. The IOC is more reluctant to split and waits until there is a strong journal article that argues for a split. Wikipedia follows the IOC. In the article for the Philippine dwarf kingfisher (Ceyx melanurus) I would list the subspecies (there are 3) and add a note that C. m. mindanensis Steere, 1890 is sometimes treated as a separate species, the South Philippine dwarf-kingfisher and cite the HBW. Note that Birdlife International and thus the IUCN follow the HBW - they are not independent sources. - Aa77zz (talk) 09:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
I've now added some taxonomy to the Philippine dwarf kingfisher article and cited the HBW for the split. Surprisingly, I cannot find a scan of Kaup's original description online. It is unusual for BHL not to have such an article. - Aa77zz (talk) 12:04, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Aa77zz, Thanks for taking a look, sometimes I can't make heads nor tails of taxonomy! CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 16:31, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

HBW merging into Cornell LabEdit

The HBW is being merged into the Cornell Lab of Ornithology’s "Birds of the World". The HBW website is still working but I don't know for how much longer. The merge is likely to break the large number of wikipedia links to the HBW. I've also sometimes linked to James Jobling's "Key" on the HBW site (it is open access) but this is also likely to end. - Aa77zz (talk) 09:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe the links could be saved with the Wayback Machine? Could a bot do it? FunkMonk (talk) 09:48, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
You mean like IABot? --awkwafaba (📥) 13:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Possibly, can't say I know much about the bots, but I have seen some that automatically add archives to links. FunkMonk (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
We may wish to raise this on VPT, as someone there may have a better solution than we do. We might need to coordinate with a bot owner to run a script through all the bird pages. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 16:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
I found 2112 pages that link to hbw.com. I sicked IABot on them. I then found 1510 pages using https and ran that job. If there are archives at Internet Archive of any of the links on those pages, then they will be added. Hopefully this will cut down the work a little. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable of the situation can also contact the Internet Archive about this, so they can archive all the pages at HBW. --awkwafaba (📥) 20:42, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Move of SecretarybirdEdit

User User:Robongio has cut-and-pasted the article Secretarybird into the redirect Secretary bird. There was no discussion of the move on the talk page (now of the redirect). The IOC list (which we follow) treats the name as one word (as does HBW, but Borrow & Demey in their Birds of West Africa hyphenate the name and Stevenson & Fanshawe in their Birds of East Africa have two words). I'm not sure whether I can undo this change myself so I am asking here for someone to revert this change. Many thanks - Aa77zz (talk) 20:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Now undone. Thanks to User: Apokryltaros (perhaps I could have done this myself). - Aa77zz (talk) 22:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Identify birds based on line art (pandemic edition!)Edit

As before, here's line art of various birds, of which all I know is the first letter of their species name. Can you help?

Thanks. DS (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

One of the two pigeons may be a mourning dove? Actually, if you look at the source image it has been cropped from, you can see the names of each hand-written on the scanned pages:[2] Seems to be the case for some of the others as well. FunkMonk (talk) 21:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Goodness, I hadn't noticed that - too faint to see at regular size. Good work; those M birds are indeed both mourning doves - one marked "Rice" and one "Snyder". (Anyone know what those names mean?) DS (talk) 02:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Fifth image is a nightjar of some kind, beyond that, who knows. Lesser nighthawk , Common poorwill could both be possible, but all the nightjars look very similar. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 22:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Common nighthawk perhaps? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 22:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
"N" for (Brown-headed) Nuthatch and T" for thrush? Loopy30 (talk) 00:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Which one is the Nuthatch? DS (talk) 05:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
1. Mourning Dove
2. Mourning Dove
3. Nuthatch
4. Nightingale
5. Nightjar/Nighthawk
6. Thrush Loopy30 (talk) 12:23, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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