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I was going to add the actual German, (Durchlaucht), but it appears that she's not actually 'entitled' to anything: there is no Princess or Count of the units mentioned, and even if there were, except for a few specific examples, the style is long obsolete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.201.223 (talk) 09:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 5 months ago11 comments4 people in discussion
In spite of a few sourced wanting to make her look royal by incorrectly calling her "Princess Anni-Frid [with no surname]", at least as many know she is not and should never be called that. Her name is Anni-Frid Reuss and a historically obsolete title of "Princess" can be added as a courtesy (not a fact). --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
As far as I can detect, the 'royal' titles are only now deemed obsolete in Germany. Former titles can still be part of personal names but not at the forefront there. I don't think this has been applied anywhere else. The actual legal status of Princes and Princesses in Germany had been quashed in Germany after World War One but these titles continued to be recognised and especially in Royal and Aristocratic circles. She appears to only use her title on very formal occasions.
Her legal name is probably Anni-Frid Synni Prinzessin zu Reuss, a name form which members of former German royal families are allowed to apply for. Anything else is actually illegal there. Not having access to her passport, we'll probably never know. Calling her "Princess" in English is only out of courtesy. If she were to use it as an actual title in German, she might be arrested. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
That name change would only apply if she was a German citizen and/or living there. This is complicated by the fact that she and her deceased husband, Prince Heinrich Ruzzo Reuss aren't German or ever lived there. Even Heinrich's parents were Swedish and Swiss-Italian. Some of these ancient Royal Houses existed in lands outside of what is modern Germany. There are quite a lot of Princes and Princesses of various former Kingdoms throughout Europe, Asia and elsewhere who appear to keep their titles despite not having any particular noble power. So, as you say, outside of aristocratic circles, there is no requirement to address them by their title but it is a courtesy thing. In this particular case, in public life and as a member of a famous Pop group, she is formerly known as Anni-Frid Lyngstad Reuss but nearly always as simply 'Frida', which she also signs autographs as. She is a close friend of Queen Silvia of Sweden so I guess she has kept her title and out of respect for her late husband. Bovis Messroom (talk) 13:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Even if she signed herself "Princess Frida", I don't think we'd be able to use that here... Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Agreed and it is right that the page title doesn't include it. However, Wikipedia has a worldwide audience and we should not simply apply things because of how one country now does things. She therefore does have that title through her marriage so it should at least be noted in her various known names. Bovis Messroom (talk) 01:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
She does not have any valid title since no government has issued it, neither to her nor to her late husband. It's a courtesy title. Since 1918 German titles could no longer be inherited, and no such title originating in Germany is valid or legal. What's in the lead now, about that, is quite sufficient. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Governments don't issue doctorates or other academic titles either. In this case, it is purely hereditary. And again, you are talking as if this page is for Germany only. It isn't. So why would it be edited for how one country applies things? Even her late husbands page has been edited to have how his name would appear in Germany, even though he was not German or ever lived there. I'm not going to press on this because others appear to have a big bee in their bonnet over it. I agree with her most well known full name being the title of the page but Wikipedia should also not be governed by how one particular country sees things. Bovis Messroom (talk) 02:26, 2 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
The titles originated in Germany where all such titles were abolished in 1918. Makes no difference where these people have lived after that. Nobody, anywhere, regardless of residence or citizenship, has inherited any German titles that were valid (because they were government-issued) before 1918. Courtesy titles cannot be inherited but can be used as a courtesy. Only as such. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Consider Duke Ellington and Count Basie (or Count Chocula, for that mater). Wikipedia can say that Edward Kennedy Ellington and William Janes Basie are more widely known as Duke Ellington and Count Basie. It can't say that they are Duke and Count. TheScotch (talk) 18:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! Those were nicknames (and a fantasy character). Here we are deling with courtesy titles based on past (now illegal) history, and as such also titles that are not sufficiently widely known about the subject person to be given in bold type. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Ingvar Carlsson was not the Swedish Prime Minister at the time. 83.251.164.152 (talk) 17:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Please, write clearly what do you mean. :) Do you propose to edit some sentence of the article? Which one? D.M. from Ukraine (talk) 14:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
I'm guessing they are talking about this sentence:
In 1993, on Queen Silvia's 50th birthday, Frida was asked to perform "Dancing Queen" on stage, as performed by ABBA when the king and queen married in 1976. Frida contacted The Real Group and together they performed the song at the Stockholm Opera House in front of the king and queen. The Swedish prime minister at the time, Ingvar Carlsson, also present that night, said it was an ingenious step to do "Dancing Queen" a cappella.
Carlsson was infact not PM in 1993 as one read the sentence but since I can't see the source for this comment I can't see what they were trying to say. Is it supposed to be a comment from when he was PM? 2A02:1406:1:61A6:DDE2:F3AB:7C30:DDEF (talk) 13:50, 2 December 2023 (UTC)Reply