Talk:David Moyes

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he is now manchester united manager — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelmacdonald19 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Why are people removing my edit? I've seen that info box on Arsene Wenger's and Alex Ferguson's profile why not let it be used for Moyes? It's better than what it was...82.46.86.157 18:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

irrelevant. those pages shouldn't have those infoboxes either... I will bring it up on wikiproject football suggesting a manager infobox is created. Also sign all comments with 4 ~ symbols SenorKristobbal 18:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

ahhhh ok. will do 82.46.86.157 18:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

"Certainly most commentators would agree that, as Moyes approaches his fifth anniversary at Everton, he has done a quite remarkable job" How can you say this when he's only won a meagre 38% of games in his time at Goodison?Statto74 12:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Who is george james marshall and why is david moyes being compared to him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.9.11 (talk) 14:27, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit

Removed Tosspot Cup Winner 2006 as not appropriate for Wikipedia. Would the idiot who posted it refrain from adding such comments.Statto74 10:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

In the last para of the career section, it mentions Andy Johnson and Yakubu as examples of players that Moyes has bought on a tight budget? Both of these players cost about £8m didn't they? Everton's net spend was one of the highest in the Premiership this season, so perhaps that whole paragraph needs revising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.34.160.145 (talk) 15:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Bias

Altered the passage about Everton's failure to qualify for the Champions League proper in 2005, because it originally said that there was a bad refereeing mistake to deny a late goal. It has been changed to controversial decision, which I believe is a more friendly way for any reader to view it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunsnroses15 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed Dubious Statements

I've removed some highly over the top language from this article which was not only biased and POV, but stretching credibility. Previously the article stated that after Moyes said he wanted Everton to finish higher than fourth, he was 'ridiculed all over the world', even by Evertonians, and that he was 'scorned by Andy Gray'. The terms 'riduculed' and 'scorned' are far too melodramatic, and the claims sound dubious anyway. Moyes did recieve some criticism and drew some sarcastic remarks from pundits when he said Everton should aim to finish higher than fourth, and he did get criticised by some fans for being unrealistic, but he wasn't 'ridiculed' and certainly not 'all over the world' - did they stop what they were doing in Spain and Brazil for instance to ring in local football phone-ins to comment on David Moyes's statements? Did the New York Times write an editorial on Moyes's views? And as for Gray 'scorning' Moyes, I doubt it - he may have called Moyes unrealistic, but the idea of Gray pouring 'scorn' on an Everton manager for suggesting that the club should hope to finish higher than fourth is remarkable, this being Andy Gray who, when he joined Everton, was actually subjected to a great deal of ridicule and scorn for saying he had come to Everton to win trophies! He might well have said Moyes was being unrealistic, but the previous entry suggested Gray was laying into him for showing ambition for one of his former clubs. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I am 95% certain that all of those contributions to the article were subtle vandalism and some Liverpool supporter's idea of a joke (or his genuine, biased POV), and the fact that his vandalism went unnoticed for so long must have delighted him. Alternatively, it must have been written by a very anti-Moyes Evertonian, although I think a Liverpool supporter is much more likely! MarkB79 05:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

re-write

This article is nowhere near as good as it should be for someone like David Moyes. I think it needs compltely re-writing with seperate sections for his the two clubs he's managed and much more in-depth and with refernces and footnotes etc., much like other managers have. I would like to start this assuming there's no objections.Cecil billfred (talk) 13:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

incorrect goals for preston

Surely David Moyes didn't score 115 Goals for PNE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.4.188 (talk) 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Top scorer in the women's semi amateur division 3

Uhm...are you totally sure about this statistic?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.130.124.8 (talk) 09:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Aston Villa Rumors

Why has someone tried to edit the page to show him as Aston Villa boss? It's just rumours and nothing has been said about him leaving (not even on the Everton website). - TR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.91.158 (talk) 18:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment is free, but facts are sacred

Who's the imbecile who keeps editing the word unremarkable into the description of his playing career. Can someone be that thick to not know the difference between comment and fact. This is basic stuff one would learn in college. Says it all about the person who keeps re-editing with his worthless comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.83.247 (talk) 22:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Protection

Currently linked with Manchester United job. A lot of people are vandalising page as a result. TheBigJagielka (talk) 10:59, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Page is already semi protected. If you think it needs full protection make a request at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 15:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 May 2013

it be please added that today, 9th May, 2013, Manchester United announced that he will succeed Sir Alex Ferguson in managing the club from the 2013-14 season onward. 122.161.184.225 (talk) 15:08, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 15:56, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Former clubs.

Why is there no mention of him playing for Cambridge United, Bristol City or Shrewsbury in between Celtic and Dunfermline? It's a pretty big chunk of his playing career to overlook — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klawsterfobia (talk • contribs) 16:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to add that as long as you provide verifiable and reliable sources. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 May 2013

I would like you to change the football club 'David Moyes' is currently managing. That Club is Manchester United. TranqR (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

No it's not, it's Everton. He doesn't take charge of United until July. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

"Bearsden, Glasgow" easter egg

Bearsden's not in Glasgow, so the link [[Bearsden|Bearsden, Glasgow]] is on the "factually incorrect" side of misleading. Hence why there's no Bearsden, Glasgow page in the first place. Request replacement with [[Bearsden]], [[East Dunbartonshire]], or else if its status as an exurb needs to be stressed, with [[Bearsden]], [[Greater Glasgow]]. 84.203.43.181 (talk) 18:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Done —KuyaBriBri^Talk 19:00, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. 84.203.43.181 (talk) 18:37, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Reference glitch

There's a syntax error in the following cite: {{cite web| url = http://www.evertonfc.com/match/november-2003.html| publisher = EvertonFC.com| title = Season Review 03/04 | November 2003| date =| accessdate = 20 January 2009}} Think that " November 2003| date =" should be "date=November 2003". 84.203.43.181 (talk) 18:36, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Done - Thanks! --ElHef (Meep?) 18:48, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Icelandic club

I've asked for clarification at Talk:Íþróttabandalag Vestmannaeyja about his time at an Ielandic club when he was 15.--A bit iffy (talk) 11:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

"Íþróttabandalag Vestmannaeyja" literally means "Sports Association of the Westman Islands". Traditionally there were two sports clubs in Vestmannaeyjar, Þór (Thor) and Týr (Tyr). They had separate youth teams competing in the youth team tournaments of Iceland, but fielded a side together at senior level, ÍBV. Since the mid-to-late 90's the youth teams have been fielded together in the name of ÍBV though, with the only remaining remnant of the clubs being that people still identify as supporting either Þór or Týr. So really, Moyes played for Týr, but as both Þór and Týr were youth teams for ÍBV it's probably better to identify the team here as ÍBV.

Moyes' father (also called David Moyes) was known in Iceland for supporting sports relationships between Iceland and Scotland with thousands of players (according to Icelandic newspapers from the 70's) moving between the countries for a short while to train in the other country. Moyes junior probably came to play for Týr because of his father. finval (talk) 18:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Interesting — thanks for that.--A bit iffy (talk) 20:19, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Manchester United start date

It has been acknowledged by both Manchester United and Moyes himself that, although his contract with Everton runs until 30 June, he will start work at Manchester United from today (20 May), beginning by addressing the Wayne Rooney situation. I will try to find a source, but I would suggest that people not be too heavy-handed with anyone who changes his current club to Manchester United from today onwards. – PeeJay 05:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Mistake

There is a mistake in the Manchester United section of this article and I would be very grateful to correct it. 86.136.193.51 (talk) 19:11, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Your IP has been used for vandalizing sports-related articles today, so make sure you have a legitimate concern before making the request. Rivertorch (talk) 19:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Picture request

The picture of David Moyes seems to be too old. He is the current Man utd manager, so a picture of him in Utd should be in the Article Anas981384 (talk) 10:37, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you know where we can find a free one? If not, there's nothing we can do. – PeeJay 22:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2014

Please let me edit this page and update the information regarding Moyes.

212.76.95.50 (talk) 06:16, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

 Not done. This is not an edit request. You should write what you want to be done on the page and why and also provide a source. Please write on the form "I want to insert X between sentence Y and Z" or "Please change X to Y". An edit request is not to get permission to add a certain page, that is not how it works. QED237 (talk) 13:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2014

mati Hafizu (talk) 09:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 10:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Publicity stunt

I have removed that part about the paddy power publicity stunt. It's definitely irrelevant now (If indeed it ever was) RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 10:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

IBV?

Moyes playing for IBV in Iceland is sourced only from a personal anecdote by Hermann Hreidarsson to David James, James even using the word "apparently" in his source. I don't know how a 14-year-old would end up in Iceland before even being at his first youth team, Celtic. '''tAD''' (talk) 01:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

According to the Daily Mail Moyes joined a team called Tyr which was linked to IBV. Hack (talk) 01:47, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Derogatory nickname in lead

The problem sentence: "during his spell at Everton, he received the nickname "Dithering Dave" from the clubs fans"

Aside from the poor grammar, the specific problems with this sentence are:

• It is no more than an excuse to shoehorn something derogatory about the subject into the lead of the article.
• The statement is impossibly vague. How many fans used the nickname? How many didn't? What was the context? Was it fair? Sports journalists don't care about these questions. Encyclopaedias, when dealing with living persons, should. That's why the fact that the sentence is "sourced" doesn't matter. It is lazy writing picking up on lazy journalism. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:30, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

You evidently haven't even read the sources, so to deride it is as "lazy journalism" is some lovely irony. There's far more reason for the opinion of Everton fans than the opinion of a member of fucking Parliament, you know, what with him being their manager for over a decade. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 19:44, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

How many fans, though? The sources don't say, do they. There's your answer to the 'lazy' question. The source you praise -- the Guardian -- says that the nickname was "unfair".[1] Yet you want it in the lead. Take your defamation and bias to another website, please. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as attendances fluctuate on a weekly basis, it's impossible to give a number. The Guardian say the nickname was unfair, indicating that it was a nickname to begin with. If it was a minor nickname used by a small clique of fans, it wouldn't reach a national newspaper. Here's something for you: The Guardian aren't Everton. Whether it was fair or not is irrelevant unless you're going to write "a nickname commentators thought was unfair". RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

No, you couldn't write "a nickname commentators thought was unfair" because only one commentator has said that. As if I needed any more reason to doubt your editorial capabilities here... You just don't put, into the lead of an article, a derogatory nickname attributed to "fans", especially when a reliable source has called the nickname unfair. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:14, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

You've not even got the full quote. I doubt your editorial capabilities when you split quotes in half. Here's the quote in full: "The Dithering Davie moniker unfairly afforded him was merely a reflection of the manager's eagerness to be right" i.e. the nickname was a reflection on things he actually did. Not just something plucked out the air. I could give you six more independent sources which use the nickname. It's not derogatory for the sake of being derogatory, it's a nickname that is indicative of one of his key managerial traits and is thus important to representing the man in his two most famous jobs to date. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

If you want to reflect his key managerial traits, write about them properly. Don't throw a nickname at it. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:52, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

It's a work in progress, you don't just remove something because you don't like it, without even discussing it; akin to a child taking their ball and going home when they don't like something that happens. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 21:06, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

If you go hunting around hard enough you can find a derogatory "nickname" for any manager. If you want a negative at the end put something about how he never won a trophy. Also, you deleted a lot of sourced text yesterday without discussing it on the talk page. Pretty rich to be accusing others of the same thing no? Spc 21 (talk) 00:09, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

I was removing "vague praise", virtually the same reason the prior content had been removed. Evidently, you didn't read this explanation, so simmer down. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 18:44, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Unless such a nickname is a name by which the subject is very commonly known, then it does not belong in the lead. If the nickname is derogatory, then it may be mentioned in the text, but it should be supported by multiple reliable sources per WP:BLP and WP:RS. Most nicknames do not make the cut. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

A throwaway insult like this, backed up by some very very flaky looking sourcing, does not belong in the lead of the article. I could perhaps live with something like "Nick Said alleged he was known by fans as 'Dithering Dave'" somewhere down in the bowels of the article, but even then, I don't think that including that sort of thing really improves the article or helps our readers. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 07:42, 15 November 2014 (UTC).

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