Talk:Daniel Kawczynski

Place of Birth

[1] says he was born in Warsaw. This seems unlikely. --Henrygb 16:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Term for someone who supports the Labour Party

Labourite - first time I've ever seen this being used to describe a Labour person.--Calverly 22:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I have only known this word used in informal conversation, never in print.Cloptonson (talk) 18:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Rephrase Needed

"After graduation and a year unemployed, working in a bar, Kawczynski worked in the business entertainment industry before he became an international account manager in the telecommunications industry, a position he held for ten years."

I think this needs a more careful rephrase, perhaps breaking up into more than one sentence. The phrase "and a year unemployed, working in a bar," could easily be misconstrued as meaning he was concurrently registered unemployed and working in a bar - a potentially defamatory implication to Mr Kawczynski, unless he was declaring this work to the unemployment benefit authorities. If the unemployment period and working in the bar was consecutive, that ought to be made clearer.Cloptonson (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Since the original source doesn't mention Kawczynski either working in a bar or being unemployed, its easiest to drop that bit altogether. Can't find any other obvious source and I doubt a brief period of unemployment or bar work was a hugely important formative experience for his career anyway, Dtellett (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Attendance

A note to the IP user who keeps inserting a phrase beginning "Media have praised him for a very high attendance of debates during the 2010-2015 Parliament"

The supposed "praise" consists of the following section in a local newspaper.

Paterson’s opponents will no doubt point to the current seat holder’s record of voting in Parliament, which has seen him take part in eight debates in the last year, and participate in 50.5 per cent of votes in Parliament – well below the average of all MPs.

By comparison, his neighbour Daniel Kawczynski has attended 29 debates and voted on 80.4 per cent of issues.

This is clearly singling out a different MP for criticism rather than Kawczynski for praise; the article does not comment on his attendance at all except to contrast it with a "well below average" MP.

Secondly, this source has clumsily misinterpreted They Work for You statistics (the figure actually refers to how many debates Kawczynski has *spoken* in) and so its claims are not even strictly accurate.

Thirdly, TheyWorkforYou suggests that Kawczynski's figure for debate participation is "average" amongst MPs, not "very high".

Discussions on other politicians' articles have tended to conclude that debate attendance statistics are not appropriate for Wikipedia biographies, particularly not when they merely reveal that a polician is "average" or "above average". The claim about Kawczynski's notably low attendance of Select Committee meetings, on the other hand, was originally a national news story highlighting him as the worst attendee of 220 select committee members; that's noteworthy. Including his explanation for the figures satisfies Wikipedia's NPOV policy; cherry picking other statistics which show him in a less negative light is not appropriate for an encyclopedia, especially when the wording misrepresents the content of the source in order to portray the subject in a better light. Dtellett (talk) 17:16, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

My edit was again promptly reverted by an IP editor, who claims to be a different editor from the other IP editor making similar edits within six minutes...

Still, latest version is less strictly inaccurate but still misleading, and at least this IP hasn't speculated about my first name yet.

I'm throwing this one open for comment rather than pursuing the edit war.

17:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Is the 2010-2015 Parliament debate attendance statistic and associated wording appropriate ?

See above for context, and for those of you not in the UK, remember there's an election campaign going on here :-) Dtellett (talk) 17:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Kawczynski came to England as a six-year-old with his Polish mother and his stepfather

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2469411/Tory-MP-Daniel-Kawczynski-tells-legged-drug-addict-Get-job-Its-hard-Ive-struggled-too.html Xx236 (talk) 10:17, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Neutral tone for subheading

In June 2021 the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards found that Kawczynski had acted in an intimidatory and threatening manner towards House of Commons staff and that he had "abused his power as a Member of Parliament by making exaggerated and malicious claims". That is true and not in dispute.

I feel though that a more neutral subheading, rather than "Abuse of power as a Member of Parliament", is "Conduct towards House of Commons staff". As well as being more neutral, the section in the article is not just about his abuse of power by making exaggerated and malicious claims, but about his overall conduct when he had acted in an intimidatory and threatening manner after he had drunk a signifcant amount of alcohol.

As per WP:CRIT, Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons requires exercising special care in presenting negative viewpoints about living persons. I have therefore changed the subheading for a more neutral encylopedic tone tonight. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I fully support your change. Govindaharihari (talk) 23:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

SPA edits needing attention

Special:Contributions/James5390 has removed well-sourced negative information about Kawczynski being invesigated about making inappropriate comments [2] (look closely) and also added unsourced information about how he has "supported various local initiatives during his tenure as MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham" [3]. These were only changes some of the changes made though and they all need reviewing closely. SmartSE (talk) 19:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

For the record, this also involved removing the 2013 "get a job" information and also removing the information about him having consumed a considerable quantity of alcohol on the day he bullied commons staff. SmartSE (talk) 19:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Omissions

• 2009 police raid on his office: [4] [5]

• Info related to Libya: [6] (this is SPS, but reliable per Brian Whitaker) [7]

• Non-attendance at committees: [8] - previously removed by IP here. That source also mentions coverage in The Times

-- SmartSE (talk) 10:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Re his Gaddafi book, I removed "largely culled from the internet" here, as it was unsourced. But that article by Whitaker looks acceptable. I'm not sure it should really be in "Personal life", though. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:16, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah it should probably be in a separate section on Libya. There's also this about an anti-Qatar conference. SmartSE (talk) 10:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Tallest MP

In 2005 the BBC said here that Kawczynski was the "tallest ever MP" at "six feet eight and a half inches (204.5cm) which he says makes him officially a giant." Is he still the tallest ever? But more importantly, LBC says here "... 6ft 9 Dan Kawczynski.." Which is correct? Has he really grown half an inch in the past 18 years? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)