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Neutral Point of View dispute edit

Latest comment: 8 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I have read the article, but I do feel that it is, in a way, a bit biased towards the Malaysian point of view (aka ours). Maybe we could locate the biased parts and change them to make it less one-sided. The articles reads as though we are accusing the Moro people of doing evil things, but remember, Wikipedia is not a place to accuse, it is a place to see the facts as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RGuy02 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi, thanks for the fix, I do agree that this article still need more copy-edit to make it neutral. But for the anti-sentiment, that is the truth (especially for the victims, when they lose their loved ones during the attacks). Anyway, feel free to edit more on it. :) ~ Muffin Wizard ;) 02:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
  Fixed Issues have been settled. ..and btw, I should remind you that many of the content are not just based on "accusations" like some "political motives" media today (for example like our media of Utusan Malaysia, Malaysian Chronicle, Free Malaysia Today and The Malaysian Insider). I'm suggesting you to try searching any old news (especially from foreign sources) about the "Moros", then you will see the "negativity" perception are much higher than the "positive" one. We writing here are not just want to make "accusation" and "lie story", but we write based on the truth. Yeah, maybe you didn't know yet much about the real Moro cultures. Try to search any Indonesian news (which are far from our own view) on the web (especially during the repatriation of illegal immigrants in Sabah since the Sulu attacks), then you will see a lot of "bad perception" on the Moro refugees from them too. I'm giving you one example like the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant article, try to read it and you will see why the negativity perception are much controlling the article. ~ Muffin Wizard ;) 05:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Cross border attacks in Sabah. (non-admin closure) NgYShung huh? 09:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Moro attacks on Sabah → Moro conflict in Sabah – WP:NPOV. The current title is biased against the Moro people which portray them in a negative light. A more consistent approach is to parallel it with the Moro conflict. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 11:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

  • Comment – How about if we change the title to Cross border attacks on Sabah to maintain the neutrality and to avoid from including the whole Moro groups as the perpetrators. As the groups that involved in this are only those who are pirates, Abu Sayyaf bandits and other extremist militants from the Sulu Archipelago and southern Philippines. The reason it is not considered as conflict as the unrest in the state are caused by foreign militants that are based on the Philippines (terrorism) and NOT because of the indigenous natives of Sabah with their government (separatism) just like the case of Moro conflict in the Philippines itself, Xinjiang conflict in China and Papua conflict in Indonesia. Molecule Extraction (talk) 11:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose - I see about 40 "attack" words in the article. And "conflict" doesn't really fit in the article. Per Molecule Extraction, Cross border attacks on Sabah may suit better in case of WP:NPOV. NgYShung huh? 13:09, 19 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose but I would be OK with Cross border attacks in Sabah ("in Sabah" and not "on Sabah"). The word conflict isn't really appropriate given the context, but I wouldn't want the name "Moro" in the title either. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:03, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Overtly xenophobic and racist pro-Malaysian narrative edit

Latest comment: 1 year ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article is biased and constitutes hate speech. Although it is not directly stated, reading the article it appears the author/s intend to portray all Filipino migrants to Sabah as terrorists, pirates, and criminals.

Take for example the following text:

"On 7 January 2017, a paperless Filipino who just served his sentence for 13 criminal offences in Sabah prison in October 2016 was shot and re-arrested by local police after he resisting from arrest and tried to injuring one of the policemen when he was caught return to his criminal activities. On 3 April, a Filipino man was shot to dead by police after running amok by stabbing his wife and tried to injuring policemen who tried to stop him after repeated warnings. Another Filipino man was charged in court for supporting the ideology of Abu Sayyaf terrorist group on 6 April. On 15 April, a local teenager was attacked and stabbed by a group of Filipino migrants in Penampang. On 30 April, a Filipino foreign worker who works for the Malaysian plantation related an incident to a friend which later was reported to police following the sightings of armed men in Lahad Datu who suddenly apprehended him and telling that they want to protect the peoples in Sabah."

or this,

"On 2 May, an unemployed Filipino man was arrested after trying to assault a security guard after being warned not to trespass a construction site. The suspect was managed to be put down by the guard during the ensuing scuffle when he began to brandishing a knife; and giving a threat to find the guard soon after his sentence is ended. The suspect also remanded for coming to the state without any valid travel documents."

or,

"On 29 September, a Filipino man who are previously involved in several robberies and kidnapping plot was shot dead after resisting arrest by opening fire towards police. On 13 November, a previously deported Filipino illegal immigrant who had return to Sabah to commit armed robbery was arrested after robbing a convenience store in Tawau. On 4 December, another Filipino man linked to the Abu Sayyaf was shot dead in the waters near Silam in Lahad Datu after resisting arrest by firing security forces."

Aside from the poor grammar, what is the relevance of these incidents to the topic of the article, which supposedly is "cross-border attacks in Sabah?"

Did these people "attack Sabah"?

If these are considered "cross-border attacks", by that logic any crime done by a migrant is a "cross-border attack". There is no evidence any of these Filipino suspects acted with nationalist or discriminatory intentions; and even if there were, such evidence should have been mentioned in the article. The only reason these and other such criminal cases are enumerated ad nauseam in this article, despite being completely irrelevant, is because the suspects are Filipino migrants -- a term that in this article appears to be used interchangeably with "Filipino terrorists" and "criminals".

Not only is this a failure of Wikipedia's standards, it is hateful rhetoric. The intent of this article is to reinforce the xenophobic, racist narrative that all Filipino migrants are dangerous and criminal people.

A few writers here have admitted they are Malaysian, and this is entirely their point of view. Regardless of nationality, the job of Wikipedia contributors is to document, not uphold, points of view. If this sensitive issue should be covered, it should be covered from a facts-based, scientific perspective that documents different points of view and possible underlying causes of such issues. Olibabaylan (talk) 15:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

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