Talk:An Cafe

Actually Oshare Kei

Antic Cafe is an Oshare Kei NOT a Visual Kei. They even have said themselves they are a Oshare Kei band. Visual Kei is more gothic and darker while Oshare Kei is bouncy and bright, their songs focusing on happy and positive messages. Their fashion is also bright and colorful unlike Visual Kei. This is an example of Visual Kei:

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Fukoma (talk) 01:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Please note that this has been discussed several times. Oshare Kei is a subset of Visual Kei, and Visual Kei is enough for a basic description. Their sound is described, and their image is displayed, so any novice reader will understand the concept of the band. If you feel it is absolutely necessary to mention them as Oshare Kei, please find a reliable source that (1) describes them as "Oshare Kei" (no blogs, personal sites, fan sites, wikis, etc) and (2) places an actual definition to the term "Oshare Kei". --Jacob ^Talk 03:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Copyediting

I rewrote the article to standardize the romanization and remove some of the clunkiness and POV, though it still needs to be macroned. Some of the romanization was wrong, and the song translations were culled from an online dictionary and not official, so they were removed. WP policy prohibits advertising of external sites like fan communities and blogs, so all store links and fansites were removed from the links section, and Third Stage was moved to references. MSJapan 07:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Rumors

"graduation" - I've removed the section about Bou's reasoning for leaving. It said that he was leaving due to school, which is most likely a mistake based on the use of the word "graduation", a common Japanese rock term for leaving a band. Bou is beyond the age to be in school except if he were persuing a higher degree, which is doubtful due to the number of times he's mentioned in interviews that he was bad at school and would have dropped out if not for how it would have upset his parents. Mezi99360 07:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Sick parents - That is a RUMOR. There's been nothing to back it up as fact. As such, I removed the part where the editor stated it as fact. Mezi99360 16:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Distributed CD

What's the difference between a studio album and a distributed CD? The studio albums have distribution, don't they? Juryen 18:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

A "Distributed CD" is a CD that is given out for free, usually for those who attend a concert. Sometimes attendees have fill out a questionaire (called an enquitte) and receive the CD when they turn it in. Denaar 05:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Birthyears

Should their birthyears really be on this wiki page? Unless they've actually said them in magazine interviews (which should be cited if so), there's no citable source for them. Only their birthdates are on the OHP, not birthyears. I really don't think the japanese boards that their ages are posted on count as reliable, citable sources for here. It's fine for random fan knowledge, but on a site that needs reliable, cited sources?

Where did the dates for Takuya and Yuuki come from, anyway? They are certainly not on the OHP, and I don't believe they've even been in any magazines yet.

Unless sources are actually cited for these birthyears, I think they should be edited out. 37564 20:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous users, you need to stop reverting the birth years, as nothing OFFICIAL has been released. I appreciate the input, however, this senseless editing is becoming out of hand. READ THE NOTICE! NO EDITIING WITHOUT SOURCES FOR NOW!--Jacob 01:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

If there has been Chinese zodiacs listed out, then we can basically guess which year they're born...and assuming the chinese zodiacs are correct, then basically there's nothing wrong with putting them up! -haru

Well, for one, they may not be accurate, as many people in show business modify their zodiac sign to give a different image. Secondly, even though it could be GUESSED, by zodiac, what year they were born, zodiac years rotate, so nothing is 100% accurate. As they have not released them, let Wikipedia do the same, just for credibility.--Jacob 13:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Takuya's age has been confirmed as 19 by Teruki in the official blog, so that age can be added if someone believes it's relevent enough information, and if they cite the blog post. It's not been officially released by Takuya, but if Teruki openly posted it, I guess that's good enough? 37564 04:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixing Romaji

I just wanted to know why my fix to one of the song's romaji title was reverted? Sorry for making a discussion for just this, but I'd like to know, and I don't want to re-fix it for it just be reverted again without a reason.

The song title, プッシンプリン, is not "pusshin purin" but "PUSSY'n PURIN" or alternatively PxxxY'n PURIN, since that's how he wrote it in english in the lyrics. The line the title comes from, for reference, is: I LOVE BIG Pxxxy'n PURIN・・・ If you need to check the lyrics, I can even show a scan of them if it is necessary. I wouldn't fix romaji on a page unless I were absolutely sure that it is incorrect. Please either take mention of the song out, or leave the correct romaji up. I re-edited it to be the correct english, since that's how katakana is supposed to be done when it has an english equivalent, I do believe (e.g "Candyholic" instead of "KYANDIIHORIKKU"). 37564 04:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Your correction was probably not intentionally reverted, rather, it was clumped in an intermediate revision when undoing previous vandalism. Who did this is not known, but this incident was probably not malicious or even intentional. --Jacob 05:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Members

Can we change the Members information to be a paragraph istead of a list, and keep the most relavant information? Also - I know those facts are translated straight from somewhere - see WP:FT and try to refrence them. If you have references and can't figure out how to add them, put details on my talk page and I'll come straighten it out. Denaar 04:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Information?

Why is all the member info and stuff taken out? Was something wrong with it?

I think the major issue was that it was not at all in Wikipedia's formatting, it was a jumble of information, most of which doesn't fit Wikipedia's guidelines for notablility. The brand of cigarettes that each member smokes isn't really that important or relevant to the band as a whole. If you feel otherwise, propose any additions here. --Jacob 00:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Name

I'm going to put this here - I'll eventually get around to sourcing it and adding it back to the article. I encourage users to find good reliable sources (not fan pages) to use to add information. (Sorry that this page was blanked - I found a random fact and updated the article, and I guess I'm being followed?)

The bands official name is アンティック-珈琲店-. Now if you plug that into a dictionary [1] You'll find Antikku = Antique, and 珈琲店 is pronounced Kohi-ten (Coffee shop). Now, the band has said in interviews that originally Bou wanted to name the band "Manhattan Cafe." Someone else suggested "Athletic Cafe". They looked it up in the dictionary, and found the word "Antic". They liked the definition and kept it - Antic Cafe. Japanese people frequently shorten words by using the first sylables, so their nickname is "An Cafe" - but it is just a nickname. There are a lot of interviews and such that they confirm this in, when I get three or four good sources I'll add it back, but it may take a while for me to get to.

I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find a source to show that An Cafe has hit the Oricon indies chart, or that they have the opening theme to the anime Darker than BLACK (Kuro no Keiyakusha) - so that should give you a start. Denaar 01:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

This should help with the name. --Jacob 05:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

If you find info, be bold and edit the article! Thank you so much! Denaar 10:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Note that a quick glance at album art, official sites and that interview Jacob provided easily confirms that the shorter form is in overwhelmingly wider use than the long one, even on part of the group, hence per WP:UCN, this ought to be what we should primarily use as well. Of course, nothing wrong with adding information on the origin of the name(s). - Cyrus XIII 13:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to touch this page. Do what you want. You've already said elsewhere we can't use JAME as a source, and you thought the magazine that already sourced their name wasn't acceptable either - so really I have no sources you find acceptable. Someday, when someone writes a scholarly paper about this band, I'm sure we will be able to expand the article. Hopefully it won't be deleted for being non-notable (as it stands, nothing proves the notability of the band). This page is in much better shape than some others that need attention, so I'll focus elsewhere. Denaar 14:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Visual kei reference

The source referencing the band's affiliation with visual kei ("Shoxx Bis No 3 pg 69") does not come with a date, or at least a year. Given that the promotional photographs on group's current website bear few of the traits verifiably attributed to aforementioned movement, a more precise citation is necessary, in order to accurately put that bit into context. - Cyrus XIII 22:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, you can find the info on google! Denaar 23:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering, wouldn't Antic Cafe be considered Oshare kei? I was under the impression that visual kei bands usually tended to be of a darker varity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nofit (talk • contribs) 23:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Visual kei is a fairly broad term encompassing oshare kei (as well as others such as Nagoya kei and Eroguro). Oshare is a hard thing to define since there's really no standard, and it's more of a fan-based terminology. --Jacob ^Talk 01:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Miku?¿

Miku invaded the wikipedia article... I just think it is funny. Maybe it was a poser, or maybe the real Miku-san had not thing to do. Anyway, it is funny and wierd, so please, don't detel "his" coments.

I just wanted to say that, now I'm leaving n.n —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.168.42.76 (talk) 02:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to burst your bubble, dear, but that was posted by 158.136.3.10, a huge An Cafe lover that seems to just bring a bad name to other fans. (ーωー;)

Plus, the fact is this is not constructive at all for an encyclopedia so deletion is necessary. ><

Bye-nyappy~ Sophixer (talk) 06:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

Would it be alright to add pictures of the band members next to their names? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.78.46 (talk) 23:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

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