Talk:Alsace

Children

" and 3% of children (3–17 years old),"

I've never met a 17 years old child. Persons aged 13 - 19 are teenagers. The term "child" still refers only to a person before the age of puberty.

^^ 1) You are clearly not a native speaker of English (no native speaker would write "17 years old child," so don't lecture native speakers about our own language. 2) It is perfectly legitimate in English to use the word "child" to refer to anyone below the age of majority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.152.173.141 (talk) 16:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

The Alsatian's familiarity with Yiddish

It should be added that Alsation is familiar with the German dialect of Yiddish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.162.68.18 (talk) 08:39, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Is wrong to say that FRENCH is the ONLY language used in the home...STUPID in view of the fact the language IS SPOKEN by some 40% of adults...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.27.7.194 (talk) 17:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

cuisine

"A Jewish influence can also be noted in its goods, and in the names of them. However, the Yiddish language is based on southwestern German dialects such as Alsatian."

this statement is fairly meaningless if it doesnt provide examples. Also scholars do not agree as to which german dialects form the basis for yiddish, so this statement is also pointless, i would suggest removing both entirely.

It's a known fact that Alsation sounds very similiar to Yiddish. I see no reason why to delete this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.162.68.18 (talk) 08:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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US slavery

There's a reference to the abolition of slavery in the US; I'm fairly sure the import of slaves into the US ended about 1810 but slavery itself continued until the 1860s. But perhaps someone who knows US history better than me could check this and correct the article. The context is immigration from Alsace into the US and demand for labor as a cause of this. See Slavery in the United States and here for the abolition of importation specifically m.e.. (talk) 04:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Trade prohibited after 1808.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_Slaves

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Zabern Affair

I believe that in English-language historiography, the "Saverne Affair" is usually known as the Zabern Affair. In 1913, the town was in Germany and officially denoted by its German name, Zabern, and the events there were reported in English-language media as the Zabern Affair. To refer to it by its subsequent and current French name may be politically correct in some eyes, but not historically accurate. Sca (talk) 14:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

You arr right. Overset the invasive French spelling: "Saverne" with the native name: Zabern. (: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.249.160 (talk) 23:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Duchy of Lorraine?

I don't understand why there is so much writing about Alsace being part of the Duchy of Lorraine. I took two courses on Alsatian history in Strasbourg, and I don't think Alsace was ever a part of Lorraine. Looking at the French version of this article, it doesn't seem to say that Alsace was part of Lorraine at all. Can someone please explain this discrepancy? Otherwise I will have to do some research and edit this article heavily. Ketchikanadian (talk) 20:15, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

geographical names

it is interesting to note that, with very few exceptions, the geographical names in alsace (and lorraine) have remained the same through the centuries in spite of the language policies. this is most notable when looking at the town and village names on a map - only the spelling was switched from german to french. the same applies to the less visible names of streams and brooks, forests, mountains as well as the names of cadastral areas.Sundar1 (talk) 12:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Châteaux in Alsace?

There is a List of châteaux in Franche-Comté and a List of châteaux in Lorraine, but there is no list for Alsace. If the List of castles in Alsace includes châteaux, perhaps I should create a redirect from List of châteaux in Alsace to List of castles in Alsace. What do other editors advise?--DThomsen8 (talk) 02:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you. A redirection is what we need. Steff-X (talk) 18:13, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I created Chateaux in Alsace and added a "See also" on the List of châteaux in France. If you look on that list at List of châteaux in the Midi-Pyrénées and other places, you will see "See also" after ==References==, when it should be before ==References==, and in most cases there are no inline citations.--DThomsen8 (talk) 15:27, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

The names should be uniform for similar articles throughout France. If the lists for other regions use châteaux, then the article should be "List of châteaux in Alsace", not "List of castles in Alsace". AHeneen (talk) 14:23, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Missing updated language and need for merging

Much of this article still needs updated language following the change of status last January. Many sentences still refer to Alsace as a region (with italics) and present statistic information usually found in first-level division articles rather than historical region articles. --Acjelen (talk) 12:58, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

More specifically, the governance and politics section should be merged into the Grand Est article. Bas-Rhin and Haut-Rhin are no longer departments of Alsace, but departments of Grand Est. Some of the arrondissements have merged as well. --Acjelen (talk) 17:40, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Oppose merge because this is an ideal place for the history of the Alsace region administrative divisions. In order to see how this could work I've shifted the current section to past tense, and added some text indicating why. There a link at the top to current governance on the Grand Est page. I'm very happy for these changes to be corrected or reversed, as I'm not an expert on this topic. Klbrain (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Blackfeet

Pied noir was a nickname in Algeria for French settlers. It grew after the first war, from a perception that many of these people were Alsatians who had fought for the Kaiser, Alsace then being part of the German Empire. Not wanting to stay in France with this embarrassing record, they supposedly headed there right after France regained the province, still wearing the black boots of the Kaiser’s army.

How much truth is there in this? The perception is part of the history of the place, and the article could be improved by mentioning this, and verifying or falsifying it with sources. 2A00:23C5:E0A0:8300:11C4:94B7:A5C0:6991 (talk) 21:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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Should map be moved to top of infobox?

When the mouse pointer hovers over the link to WP article, preview show part of the header including picture if it exists. For geographical areas map with the location of the area in question might be most informative (as is with Lorraine), than from random (even if quite attractive) picture from that area.

I have tried to move the picture call of the map in the Infobox settlement template call

| image_map                       = Carte Alsace 2018.png

above the Photomontage template call there, and looked into preview, which showed no change of location of the pictures. I also looked into Lorraine article and saw both articles seem to use the same infobox template, but result is different. It is possible that the settlement infobox template automatically shows picture - if it exists - over the map.

Because I am not sure if moving map to the top is against a possible general convention, I'd like to see what other people think about moving the map to the top, before I look into details how to do it. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 22:38, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Notable people from alsace

According to wikipedia: Eduard (Édouard) Schuré (January 21, 1841 in Strasbourg 207.248.198.76 (talk) 23:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)