Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/Archive 2

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U.S. 2020 articles forks

We have a big WP:CONTENTFORK problem with many articles relating to the wave of racial unrest in the U.S. in 2020. Copying the comment of FDW777 from Talk:2020 United States racial unrest:

As stated by Kilopylae here, we need to focus on the broader question of how we structure our coverage on the 2020 race-related civil unrest and political/cultural shift in America, the UK and Europe. At present we have George Floyd protests, 2020 United States racial unrest, 2020 United States racial injustice reckoning, List of George Floyd protests outside the United States, List of George Floyd protests in the United States, Violence and controversies during the George Floyd protests, a whole lot of George Floyd protests in xxx article, and probably some others if I look. This is a natural consequence of people, either deliberately or inadvertently, creating a fork of existing content in some other article with a new name, often one that's been rejected. There needs to be a centralised discussion about what articles we have instead of new articles focusing on slightly different aspects of the situation popping up every five minutes.

- {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

There's others listed at Template:George Floyd protests. I do believe it's time the community takes a look at these articles in their entirety from a distance, to see what content belongs in which articles and if any articles shouldn't really exist at all. FDW777 (talk) 07:49, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I think we could merge all those 'Protests in X' articles into one big list, in the same format as List of March for Our Lives locations. Zindor (talk) 15:44, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

It would be a long list, possibly going beyond size guidelines, but WP:IAR when we've got 70 separate articles on protest locations... Zindor (talk) 15:50, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

The "George Floyd protests in x" aren't really the problem, although I'd think when looking at long-term historical significance we don't need a blow-by-blow account of protests in every city. The bigger problem is that certain editors have enlarged the scope of "George Floyd protest" related articles to include virtually any violent incident during the time period, even ones that are relating to the deaths of other people entirely. FDW777 (talk) 16:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

RfC on terminology for deaths in police custody/while interacting with police

Compare these two categories:

Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States

Note how much more consistency there is in going to Shooting of rather than Killing of if the victim is Black. To me this looks pretty bad. If the victim is Black, we're more likely to refer to their death as simply a shooting, which IMO means we're downplaying the fact the person died.

I believe we need a centralized discussion on terminology in the case of deaths in police custody, because clearly policy is needed. I came here to see if anyone wanted to work on what terminology should be proposed. I was thinking something like

• Death of for people who have died while in police custody/while interacting with police of whatever cause, but the death hasn't been ruled a homicide.
• Killing of or Homicide of for those who have died while in police custody/while interacting with police and the death has been ruled a homicide by whatever local authority makes that ruling.
• Murder of if there's a murder conviction.

Suggestions welcome.

Pinging Coffeeandcrumbs who has an interest in this topic. —valereee (talk) 11:24, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

The proposal looks good. Hopefully it is made clear that in addition to article titles, the policy would apply to section and sub-section headings etc too. Take for example the subsection on Terrill Thomas, which is titled 'death of' despite it being ruled a homicide.

I also agree that a centralized discussion is needed. I can see this proposed policy conflicting with WP:COMMONAME and WP:DUE in some instances, so it would be worth having the RfC somewhere central like WP:VP so a strong en-wiki wide consensus is gained on this matter. Regards, Zindor (talk) 19:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Zindor, thank you. I do think it should apply to section and subsection headings. I'll put together an RfC statement. I was hoping for more input from BLM participants, this seems like something that is firmly in this space. —valereee (talk) 17:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, yeah it's surprisingly quiet on this talk page. Thanks for doing this. Zindor (talk) 11:30, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Zindor (and anyone else who is interested), we've started workshopping it at User_talk:Coffeeandcrumbs#policy_workshop —valereee (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter art in Portland, Oregon

I've created Black Lives Matter art in Portland, Oregon. Not sure if there should be any other articles about BLM art? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Stub at Black Lives Matter art to get the ball rolling... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:29, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

deaths of poc in police custody/encounters should be defaulted to at least mid-importance?

I'm going to suggest that an article about the death of any poc as a result of police action or in a police encounter or police custody should not be marked as low-importance to this project. Some may be of higher importance than that, but I feel like actual deaths need to be at least mid-importance. —valereee (talk) 16:17, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Freedom, Georgia

Improvements welcome: Freedom, Georgia ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:12, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

New article on Black maternal mortality in the US

Hello! I am planning to create a new article about Black maternal mortality in the US with the current article "Maternal mortality in the US" as its parent. So far, I am thinking that the new article would include sections on historical context (subsection on trends to the present), access to peri- and post-natal care, intersection of race and SES, medical racism, and reproductive and sexual health and rights (subsection on access to abortion). Much more detailed information can be found in my user sandbox. I welcome any feedback! Thanks! Akandru (talk) 04:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Concerned about a draft

I've felt for a while that Wikipedia obviously needs an article on User:Valereee/White gaze, and I finally just started it, but I'm very concerned about writing it myself as I'm not a person of color and I strongly feel like this is a topic that obviously needs to be handled not from a White point of view. And of course I can't assess how my own Whiteness is affecting it. Is there anyone of color here who would be willing to either work on this with me or take it over, with as much help from me as you want? —valereee (talk) 14:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Crickets? —valereee (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Not black, so take this with a grain of salt. On a cursory examination it's all body masquerading as a lead. Like the stuff from Tony Morrison. Would like to see some more journal articles on the subject, though the MELUS source looks good. Not sure if perhaps a sociology or literary journal has tackled the issue? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:59, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, I'm not sure what body-masquerading-as-lead-means, sorry. I'm too stupid for this level of discussion lol —valereee (talk) 20:05, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, Hehe, sorry, wasn't super clear. I know its a WIP, but it has only one header. Most of the material that is there should be under another header, like maybe "Overview", and then you should maybe just make the lead the first paragraph. Although for such a short article, it might not be necessary, my advice comes from generally writing much longer articles :) CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, oh, yes, I had made a fast stab at it, then I decided I shouldn't be writing it, but rather someone who is of color should be, so I stopped working on it. Yes, it's not ready for prime time, for sure. I just quickly became very uncomfortable with the idea of a white person writing about the white gaze, so I stopped, but I feel like the article is needed, and I figured there must be some editors who are of color here at this wikiproject, and that possibly one of them would be interested in writing it. Yes, there are plenty of sources out there, and I believe I found at least one journal article. —valereee (talk) 11:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm White too but since the racial bias in our editorial demographics might make what you're looking for difficult, I thought I'd throw a couple of other ideas out there: writing a deliberately succinct surface-level article and tagging it with "expansion needed" sorts of tags; or making a search for non-White authors a priority when selecting initial sources. I hope White gaze does get written because it is an egregious omission; even if all the article does is point people to other sources and authors then that is a meaningful reader experience. — Bilorv (talk) 18:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Bilorv, sorry, missed this until now. I, too, think it's an egregious omission, and an embarrassing one. That's a very interesting idea. I'm thinking it's at minimum a way to get more attention to the article, which otherwise is just buried in my user space, and hopefully some of that attention will be from editors who are POC. Maybe it's even a positive that it's a pretty sorry draft right now -- might encourage people to try to improve. And I could leave an explanation on talk that explains this. Hm. —valereee (talk) 18:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Statue of Christopher Columbus (Chula Vista, California) at AfD

• Statue of Christopher Columbus (Chula Vista, California)

Feedback welcome, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Resource: citeblackauthors.com

Hi All, This website popped up on my timeline and it made me think about this project! https://citeblackauthors.com/ - it's only just launched, so there's a lot more work to be done, but it might be a good place to look for articles that could be embedded into other articles? Cheers Lajmmoore (talk) 10:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Help with revision of article on YouTube racial equity special

Hi. There is a discussion about revising the lead to the article Talk:Bear_Witness,_Take_Action#Request Edit November 19th, a series of livestreams being put on by YouTube as part of its $100 million initiative to support Black creative and to address racial inequity and civil unrest in America following the killings of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and many others - Bear_Witness,_Take_Action This article has been rated mid-importance for the Black Lives Matter Project. Your participation in the discussion would be welcome. I have a disclosed COI on the page. Oceans87 (talk) 18:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser

Sandbox Organiser A place to help you organise your work

Hi all

I've been working on a tool for the past few months that you may find useful, especially if you create new articles. Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser is a set of tools to help you better organise your draft articles and other pages in your userspace. It also includes areas to keep your to do lists, bookmarks, list of tools. You can customise your sandbox organiser to add new features and sections. Once created you can access it simply by clicking the sandbox link at the top of the page. You can create and then customise your own sandbox organiser just by clicking the button on the page. All ideas for improvements and other versions would be really appreciated.

Huge thanks to PrimeHunter and NavinoEvans for their work on the technical parts, without them it wouldn't have happened.

Hope its helpful

John Cummings (talk) 11:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

RfC on Los Angeles Police Department

A request for comment regarding whether the lead of Los Angeles Police Department should note the department's exceptional history of corruption, brutality, and discriminatory policing (including the 2000 federal Department of Justice investigation which found racism, brutality, and corruption within the department to be rampant and which led the department to be placed under federal oversight from 2001 to 2013) is ongoing. Those who wish to participate in the discussion are invited to offer their comments at Talk:Los Angeles Police Department § RfC: Should misconduct be mentioned in the lead?. 207.161.86.162 (talk) 07:07, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

RfC on description of Southern strategy in lead of Republican Party

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Republican Party (United States) § RfC: Southern strategy description in the lead. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:12, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed splitting of Template:George Floyd protests map due to Wikipedia technical limits

Every page that transcludes {{George Floyd protests map}} has a post expansion include size of at least 1,776,152/2,097,152 bytes.

This doesn't leave much room for other templates.

George Floyd protests in the United Kingdom and George Floyd protests in New York (state) are already over the limit.

There are two ways to handle this. One is the way List of George Floyd protests outside the United States has handled it, by having a static image of the worldwide map, with a link the dynamic map.

Another way is to split the template, which I have drafted at Template:George Floyd protests map/non-US and Template:George Floyd protests map/US.

For the sake of uniformity, I think we should figure out a way to make sure pages don't exceed Wikipedia's technical limits while still being able to have a world-wide map for those who need it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The former, if it works use it.Slatersteven (talk) 08:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Slatersteven Another way to fix the articles would be to take screenshots of the protests in each country/state and just upload them to Commons. An image file is much less taxing on the servers than a template. AFAIK, not many protests are happening anymore (if at all), so it might not need to be updated often. Mgasparin (talk) 06:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I still think "a static image of the worldwide map, with a link the dynamic map" is the way forward.Slatersteven (talk) 09:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

The template has disappeared from George Floyd protests in Texas and Canada as well. We need a solution soon IMO. Songwaters (talk) 01:05, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Susan Moore, M.D.

Although Dr. Susan Moore, M.D., was not killed at the hands of a white police officer, would the delay of getting adequate health care by a white physician that led to her eventual death because of her race and not her ability to pay or financial status be of something of interest to the WikiProject Black Lives Matter? For those who have not kept up non-police news, please see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]; [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15]. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 01:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hubert Nathan Myers and Clifford Williams

Hi all

I've just started an article for Hubert Nathan Myers and Clifford Williams, two African American men who were wrongfully convicted and spent 43 years in prison. I don't know American law well or if this should be one or two articles, please do take a look and help out.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

CAN-DO Foundation

I recently made an article for the CAN-DO Foundation. The foundation advocates for the reduction of sentences for nonviolent drug offenders. They do great work and deserve recognition. The foundation has been coming up in the news quite a bit lately, so there is plenty of material to add to article. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you, Thriley (talk) 09:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Jan/Feb edit-a-thon / good article drive?

Hi folks! How would you feel about a good article drive for this wikiproject for the rest of Jan/Feb? We could try to get a couple articles up to GA/FA? @Another Believer:? -- phoebe / (talk to me) 15:28, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Phoebe, Great idea! Since January is already half way over, how about a Q1 collaboration for January through March? Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/Q1 2021 -- I got a page started, but please feel free to add tasks/goals, etc. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah! good idea. I will spend some time this weekend looking for possible articles to work on - I'd love to get some of them featured and on the front page, but any improvement would be great. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 17:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/Q1 2021 has come to an end. Is there interest in another campaign? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Definitely interest here, though I wasn't able to contribute much to the Q1 drive in the end. Looks like we got a lot of good content there though, in excess of a new article a day, plus media/upgrades/other bits and pieces, even discounting that we started late. — Bilorv (talk) 12:48, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Bilorv, OK, I've created Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/Q2 2021 ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm interested too. I was proud of of 'my' DYKs featured on the main page for the drive, would be interested particularly in a drive with more of a focus on getting higher-profile articles up to snuff, like Phoebe initially talked about Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:15, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Eddie891, You're more than welcome to share some goals, suggestions, etc, on the Q2 project page I've just created. I'm all for providing ways editors can help! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:19, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Ongoing collaboration

Just a reminder, Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/Q2 2021 is ongoing for another month.

If editors have specific ideas for a Q3 collaboration, I'm all ears! Happy editing, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Help with a draft?

I saw a draft, Draft:List of unarmed African Americans killed by law enforcement officers in the United States, pop up in AfC. (pinging @OctaviusIII: so they're aware) I think that a list of this type has definite merit but I know that list articles of deaths are frequently controversial on Wikipedia, so it'd have to be carefully written and sourced. There has been some pushback of articles like List of people killed for being transgender, so I'd imagine this will likely get some similar pushback.

This looks like it's focusing on more recent deaths (since 2014), so I thought that it'd definitely fall into this WP's wheelhouse. Anyone willing to take a look at the draft and offer some advice to OctaviusIII? ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

George Floyd protests and "ongoing" status

Hi!

I made this edit on the basis of the lack of reporting of further George Floyd protests in D.C. but there are others (e.g. George Floyd protests in Alabama) which have an equally strong case for this type of update. Before updating more articles, I thought it'd be wise to notify the relevant WikiProject and give a day or or so for input should anyone wish to draw attention to areas where protests are ongoing (i.e. {{George Floyd protests}}) or dispute this assessment of the state of affairs.

Many thanks,

SITH (talk) 20:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Commons category?

Hi all,
With the editathon going on, it occurred to me to make a category at the Commons for images, videos and other media uploaded in relation to the project. E.g. “Media supported by WikiProject Black Lives Matter” (borrowed from WP:WikiProject Women in Red) or just “WikiProject Black Lives Matter”. I ask because there is a “Black Lives Matter” category, but I am coming over from the Q1 iniative where it seems the scope is (productively!) broader than only those organizers and protests explicitly organizing under this frame. The cat would also be another way to visualize the project’s impact, which is nice. We could also make separate ones for 2020 as well as for 2021 (etc.) if folks might want to tag material they uploaded previously. In any case as I am brand new to the project, I thought I’d ask the regulars if this idea seems helpful or how best to do it. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Julia Chinn

Hi everyone! I started an article for Julia Chinn, who an enslaved woman owned by Richard Mentor Johnson, who became Vice President. However sources report that he treated her as his legal wife and treated their daughters the same. I'd appreciate it if a couple of people could a) take a look at it for netutrality and b) perhaps add it to their watch lists - there's just been an article in the Washington Post about her (which I am struggling to access) and its clear from the reversions that feelings might be running a bit high. Thanks in advance. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I know it's a cliché but I am surprised there wasn't an article on her already. You should be able to access the Washington Post source through The Wikipedia Library: on ProQuest, search "washington post" "julia chinn" and you should see a source "He became the nation's ninth vice president. She was his enslaved wife." which opens: "She was born enslaved and remained that way her entire life, even after she became Richard Mentor Johnson's "bride." If you can't find it, let me know which steps you struggled with or I can email you a transcript directly.

No opinion on the neutrality (would have to read more sourcing) but I'll watchlist and keep an eye out for overtly unconstructive changes. — Bilorv (talk) 00:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Science Femme

• Science Femme

I just started this article about a hoax to counter Black Lives Matter. I wanted to share here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:04, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

"Black", "black", or "African-American"?

Hi WPBLM. Do we have any guidance, or do you have any guidance, about when/whether to use "Black", "black" or "African-American" (or something else?) to describe people in articles? Some subsidiary questions:

1. If an article already uses one convention, I'm not the kind of editor to go and change it. Leave it alone is best, right? Or should they be proactively changed?
2. If most/all the sources use one convention, follow the sources, right?
3. I've noticed US media is increasingly using "Black" (capitalized) and "white" (lowercase). Are we doing this? That is, if the answer to #2 is "Black", then we use "Black", but if it's "black", then we use "black"?
4. What if the sources use multiple variations?
5. Is there a default? A guideline or previous discussion on this? I've seen discussions article-by-article but haven't yet found anything broader.

The articles that brings me here are Killing of Julian Edward Roosevelt Lewis and Killing of George Robinson. The sources cited in those articles use "Black", but I'm not sure if that represents the majority of all the sources out there (as opposed to just the few in the articles). I went with "black" because I haven't yet seen us use "Black" in an article. Should it be "Black" instead? Meanwhile, the corresponding entries at Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States use "African American", as all those entries do I think, because otherwise it throws off the ability to sort the table (unless we updated the table with a sort key I guess). Anyway, what should it be for Lewis and Robinson? Does the article need to match the table (or other pages)? What should the default be? Thanks, Lev!vich 18:07, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Only thing I'll add is that "black" is a racial category and "African-American" is a specific ethnicity. Plenty of people across the world are considered "black" but only people with a certain heritage are considered "African-American". That's all I have to add. Mangokeylime (talk) 17:01, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@Levivich: @Mangokeylime: There is relevant discussion to the capitalisation of "black" as a racial descriptor here, as well as including it as part of the main MOS on capital letters (something I think would be very good for clarity's sake). The current consensus, as taken from a recent debate on the issue, was Consensus against changing MOSCAPS to capitalize "Black" when used as a racial or ethnic descriptor. [...] there may be comparatively more appetite for capitalizing "Black" in US-related contexts, there is still no consensus for supporting such a change as a rule at this time, and sufficient opposition such that the matter should not be reopened at a project-wide level until either further developments occur (i.e. more style guides adopting capital-form) or significant time has passed. Though I do not think there is consensus for large-scale revisions to an article one way or another. --Bangalamania (talk) 12:20, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Mural of Marcus Rashford

New stub: Mural of Marcus Rashford ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:56, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Another vandalized artwork

• We Stand with You ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

New stub: George Floyd mural

George Floyd mural, Portland, Oregon ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:07, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Santa Cruz mural

• Black Lives Matter street mural (Santa Cruz, California)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests#Requested move 10 July 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests#Requested move 10 July 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 01:58, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Article for potential collaboration

I just made a few of the most urgent edits at National Memorial for Peace and Justice (aka the National Lynching Memorial) in Montgomery, Alabama, but the article is still in pretty bad shape, particularly in terms of organization and encyclopedic tone. If anyone in this project would like to focus on improving a less newsy article, I'd suggest it as a good candidate for a collaboration. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:50, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

African-American culture by state categories?

I am surprised Category:African-American culture does not have subcategories for individual U.S. states... Can anyone think of a reason why we should not have Category:African-American culture in California, Category:African-American culture in Oregon, etc? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:49, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

There's the matter of strong cross-over with Category:African-American history in X state, so in practice it might be redundant. The fluid nature of culture might also be somewhat challenging, as most major culture things could have a tendency to "bleed" across many states, making the category breakdown less useful. I think there's an okay argument for making such categories in theory, I just don't think they would become super helpful. -Indy beetle (talk) 23:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Indy beetle, But we have many equivalents: Category:Arab-American culture by state, Category:Asian-American culture by state, Category:European-American culture by state, Category:Hispanic and Latino American culture by state, Category:Middle Eastern-American culture by state, etc. Is there a difference? I also wonder about the difference between Category:African culture in the United States and Category:African-American culture. --Another Believer _(Talk) 01:28, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Is there a difference? I think perhaps in the fact that "black history" is a very distinctive genre in American history, whereas "Arab-American history" is not (not to say it doesn't exist). In that way black/African-American history has become such a common label it swallows all things black in America (though if history is simply all things that have happened, history will eventually swallow all things cultural, as culture happens). FTR I don't think this is a bad or unusual idea, I'm just curious how the scope of the category would make it distinctive. This is not really a big deal. Things like Gullah language] will certainly fall into both categories. The African culture vs African-American culture thing might have to do with ethnic history and popular perceptions; "African-American" generally refers to people of African descent who's ancestors were brought here during the slave trade. "African" refers to immigrants and/or their customs which came over here after that time period. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Indy beetle, A helpful reply, thanks. I think I may be settling on the idea of creating subcategories for Category:African culture in the United States by state, rather than focusing on Category:African-American culture by state.

The reason I brought this up is because I've been working on local restaurant articles, and most of them have culture categories based on type of cuisine:

• Republic Cafe and Ming Lounge is in Category:Chinese-American culture in Portland, Oregon
• Papi Chulo's is in Category:Mexican-American culture in Portland, Oregon
• Roman Candle (Portland, Oregon) is in Category:Italian-American culture in Portland, Oregon

etc. I realized there was no equivalent category to apply to articles like Akadi (restaurant), Queen of Sheba (restaurant), etc., which focus on African cuisine. Since the above examples all use "X-American culture in X location", that's why I had initially proposed "African-American culture in X". But you raise a good point, so perhaps the solution here is to prioritize "African culture in X" subcategories instead of attempting to work with both "African-American culture" and "African-American history" categories... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:34, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Seth Andrew

There have been problems with conflict of interest edits on the article for charter school founder Seth Andrew for quite some time. I expect them to increase again as Andrew has been arrested for embezzling money from a charter school bank account. Any help improving the article would be appreciated. Thank you! Thriley (talk) 08:28, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Thriley: Medium, Google Docs and most student news (so probably Berkeley Beacon) are not reliable, so it's problematic to have a section "Racism allegations" based on them. Medium is possibly reliable as a primary source if there is extremely solid evidence that the person writing on Medium really is who they claim to be, but even then it doesn't show much significance. I don't know what content needs removal in order to restrict that section to facts from the sources outside of the aforementioned ones. — Bilorv (talk) 09:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv:, most of the information in that section is rooted in actual news pieces. The medium post is there as it is discussed in the news stories. The Berkeley Beacon is a reputable student newspaper from a college with a major journalism program. I find it reliable. The article certainly needs some work in formatting, but the facts overall are solid. I’ll be working on the article today to tidy it up. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 09:19, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Thriley: the fact that reliable sources reference Medium doesn't make it reliable—why not include the facts that those sources mention without needing to use the Medium source? — Bilorv (talk) 09:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv:, good point! I’ll do that when I rewrite the section. Thriley (talk) 09:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Redirect question

I notice that Racial minorities in the United States does not currently point anywhere. I feel like it ought to have a target among existing pages, but nowhere really seems to fit. Any ideas? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:46, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Race and ethnicity in the United States seems like the closest topic, though maybe not close enough for a redirect target. It makes sense to me to cover all racial/ethnic groups, rather than just ones which are "minorities", in one article, with main pages like Hispanic and Latino Americans and African Americans for specific ethnic groups. — Bilorv (talk) 12:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Individual BLM street murals

We have Black Lives Matter street mural (Indianapolis) and Black Lives Matter street mural (Salt Lake City). Help identifying other individually notable BLM street murals? Hard to know which ones listed at List of Black Lives Matter street murals have received more coverage than others. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Forked Black Lives Matter street mural (Portland, Oregon) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:55, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

+ Black Lives Matter street mural (Cincinnati) + Black Lives Matter street mural (Capitol Hill, Seattle) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Ongoing move discussion

Project members are invited to weigh in here re: title of List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:58, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Bust of York

(sigh) The bust of York was toppled overnight. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:12, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

BTW, Todd McGrain has been revealed as the sculptor. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:26, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter street mural in Indianapolis

Earlier this year, I worked with The Children's Museum of Indianapolis, during a Black History Month public program they held, to photograph and release on Commons images of many of the artists involved in the Black Lives Matter mural in Indianapolis. All of the artists consented to be photographed by the museum's photographer, and signed releases. They are all uploaded at Category:Black Lives Matter mural (Indianapolis).

This is a very unique mural, because it is not just lettering on the street, as many cities produced, but it was organized by a local artist collective, and highlights 18 different local Black artists who created each letter in their distinctive style. I happened to take the picture of the mural that is used the article when I visited last August the day before it was vandalized.

I have written an initial article for the mural. The article includes a list of all the artists involved. Every single one is currently a red link, but a number of them are certainly notable, including Israel Solomon, who is currently Artist in Residence at The Children's Museum of Indianapolis, who donated all these images. I would love to turn these all blue, especially the ones we have pictures for. Anyone want to help write some of these artists' articles? Dominic·t 20:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

You've inspired me to create Black Lives Matter street mural (Salt Lake City). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:44, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Bust of George Floyd

The bust of George Floyd has already been vandalized. How disheartening, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:25, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Couldn't tell if you meant the article or the object, but it's the more serious one. The way I see it, hateful extremists target these things because they know that they matter and they know that the movement has the power to make societal change. Does leave a sour taste when this is desecration of a memorial for a dead man who never asked for any of this hate, though. — Bilorv (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter art in New York City

Black Lives Matter art in New York City: Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Any objections to adding on focus list of Wikimedia project to Wikidata items associated with Template & Category?

I've gathered an off-wiki list of Wikidata items corresponding to the Wikipedia articles listed in the Black Lives Matter Template and Black Lives Matter Category. Do any project members have any objection to me adding a statement to those corresponding Wikidata items: on focus list of Wikimedia project (P5008) WikiProject Black Lives Matter (Q105045710)? The purpose would be to retrieve those items in one query to aid in enhancing them, since some have very few statements. Thanks for any responses. --Bitofdust (talk) 15:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds fine to me. — Bilorv (talk) 13:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

thanks for the response! --Bitofdust (talk) 18:44, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Murder of Jordan Davis

Hey everyone,

The page on the Murder of Jordan Davis has, since at least 2016, made insufficient mention of the racial context of the case. If it possible to get some people from this project to help resolve this? Waterfire (talk) 23:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Merge?

A merge has been proposed for State of Black America. Discussion participation welcome. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Q4 Collaboration

I've been bold and created Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/Q4 2021 as a space to collaborate during Q4 (October through December) 2021. Please join! Ideas and showcasing your work are welcome. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:18, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps tangentially related because not focused on social justice, BLM, etc, but I've created a couple new entries about Black-owned restaurants in Portland (Everybody Eats PDX, Nacheaux). I invite others to think outside the box and consider creating and improving articles about Black culture and history, if interested. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:54, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Online edit-a-thon: Black architects of Detroit

Architects.Build.Wiki is an initiative to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Black architects and their buildings. Please join an online edit-a-thon on Wednesday, October 20, 2021, part of the 50th annual conference of the National Organization of Minority Architects. In this event we will focus on the architects of Detroit and Michigan; we hope to expand the initiative to other areas in the coming years.

Wikipedia:Meetup:Detroit/Architects Build Wiki October 2021

-Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposed redirect: Race and crime→Race and crime in the United States

A redirect proposal that may interest members of this project is taking place at Talk:Race and crime § Propose redirect to Race and crime in the United States. ––FormalDude ^talk 11:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Protests in Minneapolis regarding the trial of Derek Chauvin#Requested move 15 November 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Protests in Minneapolis regarding the trial of Derek Chauvin#Requested move 15 November 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. SkyWarrior 02:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Help w/ baltimore organization draft

Hello! I'm working on my first (hopefully) article, on Leaders of a Beautiful struggle, and would appreciate any pointers or advice on my article.

Here is the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Leaders_of_a_Beautiful_Struggle

-A A. C. Santacruz (talk) 12:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Daniel Hambrick

Hello, I created an article for the Killing of Daniel Hambrick yesterday. Any help improving it would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 21:12, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hoteps article

I recently created the article on the phenomenon of hoteps, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. --Bangalamania (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Noliwe Rooks

Hello, I recently created an article for Noliwe Rooks, a multidisciplinary scholar who has done extensive work on race related issues in the United States. Any help with the article would be really appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 18:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Black women activists and organizers

Hi everyone. I'm still new to Wikipedia editing but this is an area I'm really keen to work on. I've noticed that there is a lack biographies of prominent Black women (activists, organizers, writers) who work on racial justice on Wikipedia. For example: - Simone Gordon, The Black Fairy Godmother https://lifeapres.com/simone-gordon-the-black-fairy-godmother/ - Monique Melton https://www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2020/05/30/how-monique-melton-is-helping-you-be-an-anti-racist/ - Janice Gassam https://www.audible.com/author/Janice-Gassam/B0895LT7SB - Ally Henny - chamieka house-osuya https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8591941/Mother-three-sets-mutual-aid-fund-send-Snack-Sacks-families-country.html

How does this sound to more experienced members? I have recently created a new post on DiDi Delgado that is pending review/approval. Torfors (talk) 02:54, 23 September 2021 (UTC) TorFors

If you can find reliable sources for prominent Black women, like the ones you listed above, go for it! I'd say a BIG part of the lack of biographies of prominent Black women is due to the gender and racial composition of most Wikipedia editors (mainly White and male) as noted on Racial bias on Wikipedia, Gender bias on Wikipedia, and Wikipedia#Coverage of topics and systemic bias. I did try and update the Afrofuturism page a while back and added some sources, but having more Black women on here would be great. --Historyday01 (talk) 03:09, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Political blackness

If anyone here has any more information or content to add to the article on (mainly UK) political blackness, which I have just created, please let me know! Thanks —AFreshStart (talk) 23:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Notable deleted page

I just noticed that Arkansas National Guard and the integration of Central High School was deleted in September due to copyright problems. That doesn't sound like a page we want to lose—is anyone interested in saving it? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

killing of McKenzie Cochran

Wandered across news of death of McKenzie Cochran (death by positional asphyxia and/or compression asphyxiation) with four security guards charged this month. Since security guards are not LEOs, he can't be listed at Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States. Hoping he might be eligible for a Wikipedia article. News articles at WXYZ and Detroit Free Press. --EarthFurst (talk) 05:43, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Google News and TWL show a lot of promising sources: spates of news from 2014, 2020 (after Floyd's murder) and 2021 (guards charged) demonstrate that coverage spans a substantial amount of time. I've only looked for three minutes, but it looks very likely to be notable. If you ever manage to put something together about it, EarthFurst, feel free to ping me. Otherwise, it's on my long list (... which means I might write it tomorrow, in 4 years, or never). — Bilorv (talk) 17:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Student editing

FYI: Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Princeton University/BlackLivesMatter (Fall 2021)

Project members may want to keep an eye on some of these pages, since students might be making some changes.

Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Watchlisted the redlinks and I'll see if I can take a look when they bring something to mainspace. Not sure I've seen a student project before involving creation of new articles, nor how that's generally received. Pinging Innisfree987 as they've worked on Draft:John L. Jackson Jr. for a while and John L. Jackson Jr. is one of the subjects of this WikiEdu course. — Bilorv (talk) 22:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Bilorv. That one was actually a decent (IMO) main space stub for four years until a few days ago when unfortunately the student editing left it in such a state that another editor draftified it for protection of the (living) subject. I’ve mostly cleaned it up, but was hoping to hear back from the course head or the WikiEd contact about it and their plans, before I moved it back to main space. No reply so far tho… in any case I welcome any more helping hands. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Innisfree987 Worth moving into the main space now so a student isn't working on a separate entry? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Another Believer, good point. Need to track down (or revert) a couple last added points but I’ll do that and move it now. Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:14, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Great! Thank you, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:14, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Help at Draft:Society of Black Lawyers

Hey there, can members of this WikiProject help me with this draft article? Seems to be an important organisation in Black British history, but I am struggling to find more reliable sources for the article. —AFreshStart (talk) 00:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

You're Invited! Writing Black History of the Pacific Northwest into Wikipedia

On, Friday, February 25, 2022, Oregon State University will be hosting an online editathon focused on Black history of the Pacific Northwest. You can learn more here and/or register here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Greg Tate

Landmark Black music critic Greg Tate has died and I am thinking to nominate his entry for “In the news”. It’s in pretty good shape but could really stand to be expanded to discuss his books. Wanted to put up a flare in case anyone more knowledgeable here wanted to join the effort. Thanks all. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Social Media Influence on the Black Lives Matter Movement

A beneficial article or section of an article could recap the effect of social media and the spread of the movement. I believe that this could recap the beginning of the movement, and review how the influence of social media has changed over the past few years carried the movement.

Antoniocmontero1 (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)antoniocmontero1

Have you read any particularly interesting sources on the topic? "The role of social media" has been a common journalistic trope for protest movements since the Arab Spring, but I'm sure there's something substantial to say on the topic if you dig deep enough. — Bilorv (talk) 22:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Afrofuturist Period Room

FYI:

• Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/AfrofuturistPeriodRoom

---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

WaPo article on congressmen and their database

Yesterday The Washington Post published a remarkable article on "all" congressmen including congressional delegates from territories, and one woman senator - who owned slaves. See article with table and database on github

I'm not sure this is 100% the best place to discuss this, so please let me know if there is a better place! That said, I'm sure that many of the participants here will be interested. My question is about the copyright of the database and how we can use it. Since the names are mentioned in the WaPo table, it's clear we can use the individual names and include them in their slaveownership articles. I'm almost 100% sure that we have an article for every congressman. I'd love to see the fact of their slave ownership mentioned in all 1,715 relevant articles.

But the database itself is licensed CC- Non-commercial. Is there a database-copyright specialist out there who can tell us to what extent we can publish a similar list on Wikipedia? We have much of the data already in our articles, most of which were originally just copied from the public domain Congressional Biographies database about 15 years ago. WaPo also used that database extensively, but used several other sources - mainly census records. So surely we can list congressmen who owned slaves that we've already documented. But before starting a List of U.S. congressmen who owned slaves I'd like to have the copyright issues clear. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 15:29, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Very interesting. I would expect a list of 1,700 people to be too big anyway, unless there is some clear narrower scope. The source can definitely be used in individual congresspeople's articles. — Bilorv (talk) 21:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I think the copyright is a non-issue anyway. We'd (presumably) only be using the "is_slaveholder" entries which are either "unknown", "false" or "true". There's no copyright issue with saying "George Washington owned slaves". FDW777 (talk) 22:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback

@Bilorv: I doubt that 1,700+ entries is too big. See List of municipalities in Pennsylvania It has 2,600 some table entries and is about 250 kbytes in overall size. It loads just fine, sorts quickly, etc. The key is not overloading the page with photos, too much text outside the tables etc, The List of municipalities in Texas and similar tables for California and New Jersey, only have about 600 entries and come in about 150 kbytes. And they all work fine. If you want the extra stuff, all you have to do is have one main table and spin off parts of it to other articles like List of U.S. congressmen from Virginia who owned slaves. Spinning off a total of 4 states (NC, SC, GA, and LA)? might just leave half the original number left in the main table. @FDW777, Another Believer, and Ser Amantio di Nicolao: I think we can certainly make the table and insert the WaPo references in the 1,715 articles with a sentence or two for each one. Ser Amantio - do you see why I pinged you? The question remaining is how to organize it -Another Believer, that's why I pinged you.

I've contacted the main author of the WaPo article, and she's fairly positive about some type of (informal) collaboration between them and Wikipedia. She's asking around about the potential copyright problem (their database is CC-BY-SA-NC) but I'm starting to think it won't be a problem anyway. We've got one entry that they didn't have William Anderson (Pennsylvania politician) and we have at least 25 entries from List of slave owners that we had before WaPo's list came out. We can also add fields that they don't have, e.g. "Notes".

I'm almost sure that I'll suggest this as a topic that people might want to work on, in the next Signpost (Jan. 28). Should we ask if WP:Black History Month wants to join in? BTW collaboration might include us sending data to WaPo on the 677 congressmen that they are still undecided about. They have a list at of these folks at https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/interactive/2022/submit-congress-enslaved-database/ Of course nobody would be forced to help them in their crowd sourcing. They could come and just take a peek here every once in awhile.

So, I can start a demo table on a user page, write up an article for The Signpost, and contact the WaPo author again. What else do you think we should do? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 03:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Smallbones: I'm guessing something to do with my work on AWB? If that's the case, sure, I think the link can be inserted fairly easily. Easiest would be to come up with some standardized language to add to each article. I.e, a paragraph reading, "According to [database], [NAME] owned [X] slaves over the course of his lifetime." Something like that. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 04:12, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao: see the WaPo database at https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/interactive/2022/congress-slaveowners-names-list/ There aren't that many fields in it, and we don't need most (any?) of the ones other than the name. So I'd suggest the text could be "According to the Washington Post [NAME] owned slaves during his lifetime

"His" is ok since the only woman in the group is Rebecca Latimer Felton who already has her slaveholding status in her article. I'm a bit worried that "slaves" (rather than "enslaved people") is now considered inappropriate and "owned" might also be, rather than, say, using "slaveholder" somehow. But I'm still not used to the new lingo.

I'd also want to check if similar info is already in the article, so we don't duplicate it. There might be 200 cases like this (but who knows) out of the 1,700+ Smallbones_(smalltalk) 05:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Smallbones: There's also the question of where in the article. I don't think it needs to be a separate section, necessarily, unless we wish to invite expansion. Possibly it could be added to the lead. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:25, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

It should not be in the lead unless it's in the body with a lot more detail than a single sentence, except possibly if the article is exceptionally short. Difficult to see where to put it—is it part of their "personal life"? Their "career"? I would recommend holding discussion beforehand to talk about the wording, because I wouldn't like to see 1,700 articles with the sentence "According to the Washington Post [NAME] owned slaves during his lifetime" when it's missing "The" and italics in the newspaper name and a comma following it. (I know that was just a quick suggestion but unfortunately sometimes people don't think it through very much at all before making the mass changes.) — Bilorv (talk) 09:11, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao and Bilorv: OK let's keep thr mass insertion as simple as possible. Either "According to the The Washington Post, [NAME] owned slaves during his lifetime.

or "According to the The Washington Post, [NAME] enslaved some of his workers." with the same reference.

In the first possibility "[NAME] owned slaves during his lifetime." now sounds odd - when else would NAME have owned slaves, other than during his lifetime? The second almost sounds like we're trying to downplay the fact and some readers might stop a second, then think "Oh, they're trying to say he owned slaves!"

In any case, to keep it simple, let's just put the single sentence as the last text in the article. Except if it duplicates other referenced material, we should just leave it out. Other editors might come along later and move it to a better place, but that's just how Wikipedia works,

BTW it's not just Blacks who were enslaved. Native American were also, and some folks in New Mexico might be called "Hispanic" today. Not to go into detail, but quadroons and octoroons, some the slaveholders' own daughters, would likely be considered "white" today. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:00, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Smallbones:, @Bilorv: I tend to prefer the first to the latter: "enslaved some of his workers" makes it sound to me like they weren't enslaved when they came into the household. Last sentence in the article works for me. I'll continue working on wording this weekend (I have an AWB task to finish before I get there, so hopefully sometime tomorrow/Sunday.)

@Bilorv:, BTW - for what it's worth I'm a member of Team Italics All The Time, so any reference to the Post I put in will be italicized. :-) (One of my pet peeves - references to publications that aren't properly italicized.) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Putting it as the last sentence of the article and just hoping the subsection is something where it would fit is not going to work. A one-sentence subsection is not good either. I don't personally object to "According to The Washington Post, [NAME] owned slaves", but this needs to be thought through a lot more and receive more input. — Bilorv (talk) 16:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Does AWB allow the editor to pick and choose the place of each insertion? If not then let's not kill it by letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. My guess is that a single sentence at the end of the text will work well with at least 85% of the cases. In my Signpost piece, I can ask readers to check the article of a congressman born before 1841 to copy edit the the article and check the placement of the sentence. It may be a good way to introduce them to the task of getting the full list together. Wikipedia is always a work in progress. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Smallbones: Yes: AWb allows customization as to where one places the information. I agree with you that a single sentence is likely to work most of the time (a surprising number of articles about early congressmen are basically little more than a paragraph, I have found). I do agree with Bilorv that a one-sentence subsection isn't useful, either...but what about with a hatnote asking for expansion? It seems to me that there is generally more that can be said on the subject of slavery than simply "X owned slaves". --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Moving forward

I'd very much like to get going on something everybody can agree on. There is of course a potential that by using AWb, that we could insert "mistakes" into 1700+ articles that would need to be corrected, but that applies anytime AWb is used. I think we can trust @Ser Amantio di Nicolao:'s judgement on this. The "mistakes" would only be in the placement of one sentence, not about the truth or verifiability of the statement.

There's another possibility for the use of AWb here. We could place each of the Congressional slaveholders into a [[Category:U.S. Congress persons who owned slaves]] or similar. I don't know how complicated it is to create a new category like this, but it shouldn't create any unusual challenges IMHO. And it would move this mini-project forward by providing a list (in the category) that people can work with.

@Bilorv: is there one or more of these that you agree on? BTW, I've created a model of how to set up the list article at User:Smallbones/List of U.S. congressional slaveholders I'll try to get all the columns with useful info that we can get without overloading the table, and make it properly sortable. I'll also get 20-30 rows, mostly from List of presidents of the United States who owned slaves anf List of slave owners (taking only congress persons of course). That we'll relieve my worries that we are just copying a CC-NC licensed database. Any help appreciated. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 15:45, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm fine with the wording "According to The Washington Post, [NAME] owned slaves", but there has yet to be a good suggestion of placement. I'm concerned by your statement that 85% appropriateness would be good enough. I haven't much knowledge of this set of articles, so I don't know what problems would be most likely, but we are at risk of introducing seriously wrong implications or causing offense if the last subsection of the article is titled "Sexual harassment allegations", or "Philanthropy", or god knows what else.

A category would be inappropriate as it is not a defining characteristic of the subjects (this is an assessment of sources, not a moral statement). — Bilorv (talk) 15:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Smallbones: There's also the question of sourcing. If we're using the whole database as the source, then AWB is fine. But if we're going to be sourcing to individual lines, then it might as well be done manually, because that's going to require changing the ref for every page. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't see defining characteristic as being a problem for a category. There are, e,g, categories on "American Fire-eaters" (Southern politicians who pushed for sucession), "Slave owners", "Quaker slave owners". I don't see any problem with the list itself being a problem as an article, see e.g List of vice presidents of the United States who owned slaves and List of presidents of the United States who owned slaves. I don't see any problem with the WaPo reference, it's not citing from particular lines or rows from the database, but from the article itself which transcludes the database. It's just like citing any WaPo article.

I did see a potential problem if we just copied the WaPo database into a list article, but I don't see that problem now. We already have a reasonable number of entries to the list - saying there were congressmen who owned slave. We can also add other fields to the list article that the WaPo database doesn't have, but are already in our articles and/or other sources.

The only problem I now see is that we'd need to put one sentence with a single WaPo reference into up to 1,700 article. I thought AWb would help on that. If you have ways to do that, please let me know. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 19:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Smallbones: AWB is great for one-on-one replacements and things like that. So if we're talking about adding a single line to each article, with the same reference, it shouldn't be too difficult (I'll need to do a little tinkering to see how it works, but that's fine.) Adding that single line to a different place in each article? More difficult, but still doable - it'll just take a bit longer. Now: if we begin talking about altering the wording, or changing the ref, for each page, then it becomes just as easy to do it manually. Hence my question about referencing the database. As long as the reference is to the whole database, that shouldn't be troublesome.

Which then leaves the question: where in the article should it go? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:18, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Flawless Shade, Poison Waters

I've nominated Flawless Shade and Poison Waters for Good article status, if any project members are interested in reviewing. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Poison Waters has been promoted. One down, one to go! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:58, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Please help with the article on climate justice

I am currently doing some work on the article on climate justice but have some questions where I need guidance. Please come to the talk page of climate justice and help with this important article. It needs to be made understandable for the general public! It is a topic related to this WikiProject. EMsmile (talk) 07:22, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Q1 collaboration?

Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/Q4 2021 didn't received much participation. Is there any interest in a campaign for Q1? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

People are of course welcome to join the Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/MetAfrofuturist (see below), which includes many art/historical/cultural/literary topics during Q1, the event officially runs throughout February.--Pharos (talk) 15:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, I'd love to participate. I probably should have joined in back in Q4 because I'm almost certain I edited some articles back then that could have been added in there. --Historyday01 (talk) 03:44, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

As an update on this, I just created a page for Karma's World, a show created by a Black man, and am thinking of creating a page for Penny Proud, the protagonist of The Proud Family. There are already a bunch of characters listed here, so I'd be more than happy to create one for Penny too, as there is enough out there to support an article. I was thinking of using the page of Luz Noceda (who is Afro-Latine) as a model. Penny's page was created in 2003 (even though its unsourced and fancruft over the years), but it only stayed that way until December 2007 when someone changed it to a redirect. Later, someone changed it to another redirect in 2011, for which it has remained since then. Historyday01 (talk) 02:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Black-owned businesses

I've created Category:Black-owned businesses. Please help populate and/or create appropriate subcategories! Perhaps Category:Black-owned restaurants? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I've created the category + List of Black-owned restaurants, if project members are interested in adding more entries. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:26, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

His Name Is George Floyd: One Man's Life and the Struggle for Racial Justice

I recently created a page for the recently released George Floyd biography His Name Is George Floyd: One Man's Life and the Struggle for Racial Justice. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 04:12, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2020–2023 United States racial unrest#Requested move 3 January 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2020–2023 United States racial unrest#Requested move 3 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. echidnaLives - talk - edits 10:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Memorials to George Floyd

Please help expand the recently created Memorials to George Floyd. Thanks, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:41, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Priyamvada Gopal

Hello editors, I wondered if any colleagues who are more familiar with the works of Priyamvada Gopal than me, might be able to help expand the content on her academic research? Gopal works on decolonisation and empire, which is why I post the request here. This is as a result of a suggestion on the talk page on how to resolve some ongoing questions on how to present her profile in the media. Many thanks in advance Lajmmoore (talk) 09:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Save the Boards

New article: Save the Boards ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Meetup notice

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Smithsonian AWHI/Meetup/Wiki Focus: Black Women in Food and Drink History

---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:35, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Just a note that WP BLM uses standard quality assessments, so it should be no action required and an "opt-in". — Bilorv (talk) 11:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

"Portal:Black Lives Matter" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Portal:Black Lives Matter has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Editors are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 7 § Portal:Black Lives Matter until a consensus is reached. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Vincent Lloyd, theologian

I recently created an article for black theologian Vincent Lloyd. Thriley (talk) 00:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Zyahna Bryant

I created a draft for activist Zyahna Bryant. Any help with expansion would be appreciated. Best, Thriley (talk) 23:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red collaboration for February

Project members may be interested in joining WikiProject Women in Red's collaboration for February (Black History Month), which is focused Black women. Find more information here:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/298

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Black drag performers

I've nominated multiple articles about Black drag performers for Good article status, if any project members are interested in reviewing:

• DiDa Ritz
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
• Dwayne Cooper
• Lashauwn Beyond
• Jaidynn Diore Fierce
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Killing of Ricky Cobb

I just created Draft:Killing of Ricky Cobb. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 05:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I added some information to the article and created a talk page. There are a good number of other resources available online, including press conference recordings on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ricky+Cobb+press+conference

A Google News search that might help: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Killing+of+Ricky+Cobb%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1

I also created the Talk page for it and added relevant WikiProjects. OIM20 (talk) 11:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:George Floyd Square#Requested move 16 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:George Floyd Square#Requested move 16 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 02:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)