Wikipedia talk:IRC help disclaimer/Archive 1

Archive 1

Template-protected edit request on 11 July 2015

The last section header in the FAQ section has an extra "was"; it should correctly read "Why was my draft declined?" [Belinrahs|^talktome⁄ _ididit] 21:16, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done (though why Steven Walling template-protected an untranscluded project page as a "highly visible template" is a mystery to me.) SiBr₄ (talk) 21:31, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Proposal for nickname change

I am glad this disclaimer page exists, and I am (for the moment) able to accept that auto-seeding with the user's name is not the best of ideas. However, I want to re-bring up the idea of something different for usernames instead of WPHelp#####. The suggestion, often batted around in the helpers IRC channel, is to have each person receive a randomly-assigned fruit/vegetable as their name (followed by some numbers, since the list won't be huge). This would make it much easier to communicate with Tomato22 and Strawberry41 as opposed to WPHelp32455 and WPHelp23445. I am happy to undertake the syntax creation and pass it for approval before going live, but the discussion has to happen somewhere. Pinging PhantomTech, Sam Walton, APerson, and kikichugirl, as they seemed to be the major players (for both camps) in the RfC. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 08:34, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

As a side note, other suggestions for seeds would be animals, colours, or random objects, but informal consensus seemed to be that people might be opposed to being "Dog" or "Blue" etc. Primefac (talk) 08:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

The script I had setup to handle full nick generation can quite easily be modified to use a random, but much more friendly, nick, though I'm not sure if a script would be needed. I support changing from a static prefix in the nick. My script had originally used colors since they were the least offensive thing I could think of but I don't think fruits/vegetables will be an issue and there are a lot more common ones than colors. PHANTOMTECH (talk) 08:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

• Support such a change. This was just brought up in -helpers because of two WPHelp#### users whose random numbers were very similar to each other. Since those seeking help are often confused by the concept of a public channel anyway, it certainly didn't help that they couldn't tell each other's messages apart. It really doesn't matter to me if we go with fruits, animals, colors, objects, places, etc; however, an idea could be generating a list of say 30 "acceptable" nouns from all of those different categories so that we have a little variety and don't become a channel of all fruit names. We could have some fruits, some colors, some animals, some objects, all of which are chosen for being relatively uncontroversial. --Nick⁠—⁠^Contact/_Contribs 08:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
• I'd definitely be all for something like this. It would make replying easier too, I can't count the amount of times I've mixed up WPHelp67415 and WPHelp45294. Sam Walton (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
• Support This was supposed to have been a proposal, but it was buried within the disclaimer proposal and then opposed, which may have derailed it, by a now-banned user. — kikichugirl ^oh hello! 23:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
• Support this change as an excellent idea. As others have said, it would be a really great thing to have in the IRC help channel. APerson (talk!) 20:26, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
• Comment: I'm also going to ping EoRdE6 and Alakzi, as both !voted in that RfC and opposed this proposal. APerson (talk!) 20:26, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
  • It sounds like a good idea. Alakzi (talk) 20:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
• Support for now, it does seem like a good idea. I do want to ping Technical 13 however as if I remember correctly he brought up some strong arguments last time changes were proposed. oh damn looks like things have happened in the past week, oh dear. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:55, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I've created User:Primefac/RandName, which can replace "WPhelp" in the template. At the moment there are 29 different names that get selected randomly, though more could ostensibly be added. Primefac (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Template change

I just had six WPhelps come into IRC and all start asking questions. Please implement the solution found by Ahecht above. Specifically, replacing the current notice box URL with the one found in the sandbox. Based on the earlier discussions, there should be no one opposed to this change (and anyone against the wmflabs hosting will find an alt button in case it goes down). Primefac (talk) 18:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Done Alakzi (talk) 18:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:REFDESK questions

The IRC channel regularly gets reference desk questions, which IRC helpers promptly direct to WP:REFDESK. Can we have an FAQ section for that? I propose the following:

Can you help me with...?

Probably! But bear in mind that the IRC channel is only for questions about editing the English Wikipedia. Any other questions, such as if you need to find information about a topic, or help with other things, should go to the Reference Desk and not the IRC help channel.

--BurritoBazooka (talk) 16:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Support: That would be soooo helpful (also, added edit request template) -- samtar ^whisper 16:53, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 18:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Template protected edit request on 6 January 2016

Add {{shortcut|WP:IRCHELP}}.(WP:IRCHELP) Shortcut that I just made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eat me, I'm an azuki (talk • contribs)

Seconded -- samtar ^whisper 10:04, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Done Hopefully it is in the right place (looked at other pages). Qed237 (talk) 12:13, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Template protected edit request on 10 January 2016

In the sentence "Articles that violate Wikipedia's Policies are deleted," the word "policies" is incorrectly capitalized. Thanks, Sunrise (talk) 01:57, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done -- John of Reading (talk) 08:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Article denied

Please could someone explain to me why my current article was denied. 11lionsd (talk) 17:57, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

@11lionsd: This isn't the correct place to ask questions about rejected drafts. Instead, you should ask at the Articles for creation Help desk. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:59, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

The other option, of course, would be to click on the IRC help channel link provided on this article, and chat with someone on IRC. Primefac (talk) 04:41, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Picture contributions

How do I contribute pictures to Wikipedia? JasenCordiero (talk) 14:13, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Please see commons:Special:UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons. Peaceray (talk) 14:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Request access for job application

Is it possible i could get the application to apply for a job on Wikipedia Anderjl5414 (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Anderjl5414. Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation. They have more information about working for them available here. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 22:16, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Edit request, 2016-05-01

Please can the line 'Joining the help channel may disclose your IP address to other users.' be changed to 'Joining the help channel will disclose your IP address to other users'. Thanks, Tom29739 ^[talk] 10:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC).

Not done: A cloak prevents the disclosure of your IP. — JJMC89 (T·C) 11:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

jharia princely estate

I want to put up few contents in this topic. Sada rajlakshmi singh (talk) 06:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Sada rajlakshmi singh, this is not the proper place to ask for help. Either join the IRC chatroom itself, or place {{help me}} on your own talk page and ask for assistance. Primefac (talk) 14:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 January 2017

58.8.173.37 (talk) 12:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Primefac (talk) 12:26, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Help

Hello I wish to create a new article with help of an editor so that it doesn't get deleted. How can I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TUSHAR KARMARKAR (talk • contribs) 15:20, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi TUSHAR KARMARKAR, if you want help with an article I suggest you join the IRC channel and ask for assistance. Primefac (talk) 15:22, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Pls help me create a page...I am from nigeria

Frank edoho doesnt have a page Bunses (talk) 17:29, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Wimipedia

I want to craete my own eikipedia profile plzz help me my email (Redacted) Mr.Bharat Taneja (talk) 06:14, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I've left some advice at your talk page. I have removed your personal details to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:24, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Game

How do you start the game up mine is messed up. Nodinee (talk) 15:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Nodinee, this is not the proper place to ask for help. Either join the IRC chatroom itself, or place {{help me}} on your own talk page and ask for assistance. Primefac (talk) 15:28, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Why cant i not create an aticle Tshidisotshidast (talk) 10:32, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Mwai M. Koigi

Where did Mwai M. Koigi stay while in the United Kingdom, December 11, 1963 to 1967? WambuguMwai (talk) 09:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

See the WP:REFDESK for those questions. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 09:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Page creation.

!helper how can I create a new Wikipedia Article? Jamal Millwood (talk) 18:18, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Jamal Millwood, please see WP:YFA. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Consent to redirect to third-party server

Per phab:T172612, this tool has been modified to obtain user consent before redirecting to a third-party server. A disclaimer about privacy policies has been added to the disclaimer text, and the ircredirect tool will no longer silently redirect unless consent=yes is present in the URL. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 04:41, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

!helper

Could someone tell me if wikipedia policy says anything about the British Gazetteers and British Indian research being unreliable sources for topics covering British India? If they are deemed unacceptable by wiki standards, then what sources are acceptable? Mohammadwaleed (talk) 03:11, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Mohammadwaleed, I don't see why they wouldn't be acceptable. Primefac (talk) 13:09, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Modifying IRC names

Per the consensus above, please change WPhelp in {{Clickable button 2|...?nick{{=}}WPhelp?#wikipedia-en-help|...}} to {{User:Primefac/RandName}}. This will insert a pseudo-random name into the IRC nick field. If it is deemed necessary, I give permission to move the userpage to a subpage of this one (maybe Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer/RandName). Thanks, Primefac (talk) 11:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: @Primefac: I'm not sure that this will have the effect that you want. Every user will see the same "random" name until the page cache is purged (you can see this for yourself at Wikipedia:IRC_help_disclaimer/sandbox). I think you would either need a javascript gadget to do what you are trying to do, or have the link go to an external site (perhaps on Tool labs) that would redirect the user to kiwiirc with a random name in the URL. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC) Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Ahecht, are you sure that every user will see the same name across the board (i.e. everyone sees "purple")? My brief testing showed multiple names from a group of beta-testers (everyone saw a different name). However, everyone will see the same name per person until the cache refreshes (I see cobra and will keep seeing cobra until the seed changes). If anything, this is a good thing, because it means that someone entering the channel multiple times will show the same base nick for ease of identification. Primefac (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Primefac: I just loaded the page several times in "private browsing" windows on separate devices with different IP addresses, and I got the same name each time until I did a purge of the page. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Ahecht, fair enough. I'll do some more testing and put a new request in when I've worked out the bugs. Primefac (talk) 16:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Primefac: Does this sandboxed version do what you're trying to do? --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Ahecht, it does seem to do that, yes. I'm curious how often wmflabs will crash and cause errors, though... Primefac (talk) 16:44, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Primefac: That's the real question. Too bad there's no reliable place to host scripts like these. I'll hold off on changing the live version of the page until there's consensus on making this toollabs dependent. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Can we see the source code? Alakzi (talk) 16:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Alakzi: Sure, I put it up at http://tools.wmflabs.org/ircredirect/source.txt http://tools.wmflabs.org/ircredirect/source.php. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Not that it really matters at this juncture, but you should be using urlencode instead of htmlspecialchars. Alakzi (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Good point. htmlspecialchars is my usual quick-and-dirty way of sanitizing output, but you're right that urlencode works better here (not that I would ever expect a legit implementation to use special characters). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I, as well as three other users in IRC tested Primefac's script-template and everytime I updated the page, I got a different word. I didn't purge and I didn't clear my cache, just updated the page. Hosting this code on Toollabs is, osrry for my language now but, terrible. We all know Toollabs is highly unstable, and when do you think people start trying to access IRC? When things break, so having the code on Toollabs would prevent users from reaching IRC. (t) Josve05a (c) 20:01, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Even if that's what you are experiencing, it's not consistent. Right now I loaded the page in a private browsing window on my computer and got "horse", and when I loaded the same page in a private browsing window on my phone (which is not on my WiFi network and has the browser set to "desktop" mode) I also get "horse". I refreshed several times on both the desktop and phone and kept getting "horse". I purged the page on my desktop and got "canary", and sure enough, reloading on my phone also gives me "canary". I've done this several times, and it only updates on my phone after I purge on the desktop. I agree that toollabs is sub-optimal, but the only other options would be to (a) host this somewhere else with higher reliability (not controlled by the WMF), (b) write a javascript gadget and get it approved, or (c) use the toollabs link on the button, but have a smaller "Click here if the button above isn't working" link that would use the default WPHelp name. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Ahecht, despite your methods of ensuring that the two devices are separate, that really sounds like they're acting as one device, specifically the fact that purging on your PC changes the phone (unless I've misunderstood you). Primefac (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Currently we have a he-said-she said moments. Where more 3 users claim to get different results everytime, primefac, Soap and myself, vs Ahecht. I'm not saying that you're lying, believe me I would never do that, but something seems odd here. Perhaps you have Firefox sync on both devices or something which causes them to act as one device. I don't know, but something is not right here. (t) Josve05a (c) 20:28, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Josve05a and Primefac: Purging is a server-side action, not client side, so it makes sense that if would affect both devices. It essentially tells Wikipedia's servers to throw out their cached copy of the page that they're serving and to generate a new one. The word not updating right away unless it is purged is is exactly the sort of result that would be expected from Wikipedia's server-side caching. Now, it is entirely possible that you may see a different result if you happen to be hopping from server to server or something, but we don't want to implement a solution that will only work for some people.

My desktop is running Internet Explorer with no syncing features enabled and is routed through a corporate proxy server a few hundred miles away, while my phone is running Chrome for Android and on the local Sprint network. I don't see how they could be connected to each other. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Uhh... what are you people testing this against? Neither the sandbox nor the live version use Primefac's generator. Old revisions are not cached. Alakzi (talk) 20:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, it can either be tested at the old version of the sandbox, or there's my own sandbox, which has the same code. Primefac (talk) 20:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC) You are correct. Primefac (talk) 20:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm testing against a version in my personal sandbox. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I implemented option (c) in the sandbox. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:14, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

That's fine with me. Alakzi (talk) 17:25, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Support That would seem to solve most of the issues. Primefac (talk) 17:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

I need my article to be posted on wiki

I have a draft which I have worked on for over 2 weeks and it has not been reviewed, I need help on this. Donsola (talk) 14:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Donsola, the draft process is a bit backlogged, and unfortunately it might take a while before it gets reviewed. Please be patient. Primefac (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Use

How it isuse? NeerajYadavjnp (talk) 00:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

NeerajYadavjnp, if you mean "how do I connect to IRC", then go to Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer, click the "Connect to the English Wikipedia help channel" button, and follow the instructions on the screen. Primefac (talk) 04:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Ok Abdul Rehman Awan (talk) 11:57, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

What's that? Abdul Rehman Awan (talk) 11:57, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

News Fog

“News Fog”—An attempt to obfuscate journalistic facts by employing divisive techniques and alternate fictitious narratives. Phrase coined by Candace Lampe Taylor, Sacramento, CA, 2/16/2017 CandaceLampeTaylor (talk) 18:04, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

WP:NEOLOGISM --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:10, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 18 June 2018

Per MOS:DASH (I know MOS doesn't strictly apply in project space, but it does guide how things should look), in the section "Can you write an article for me?", please replace the two spaced hyphens with dashes. That is, replace the " - " with {{snd}} or {{emdash}}. We shouldn't be using single hyphens to replace dashes in any circumstances. Thanks, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 03:13, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 2 September 2018

Please change {{shortcut|WP:IRCHELP}} to {{shortcut|WP:IRCHELP|WP:IRCHD}}. WP:IRCHD redirects here. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Wording change

I propose changing "Articles that violate Wikipedia's policies are deleted." to "Articles that do not comply with Wikipedia's policies are deleted." The wording is a bit harsh and off-putting; "do not comply with" has the same meaning as "violate" but is much less abrasive. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 22:20, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Primefac (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:14, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Additional clarification

Please add a bullet point to the top template that plainly states "this service is only for assistance with editing or using the English Wikipedia" as it is misleading many, many people who believe this is a general help chat. Praxidicae (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

+1 seen multiple times ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:59, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done Mz7 (talk) 20:01, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Should we use freenode's official kiwiirc instance?

The official webchat at https://webchat.freenode.net now uses KiwiIRC: https://freenode.net/news/moving-to-kiwiirc

To share data and trust with as few third parties as possible, maybe we should use the official website instead of kiwiirc.com. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:08, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

I'd (weakly) prefer we don't, because freenode no longer use gateway cloaks on users connecting via their webchat, so it's just the raw hostname. I'm fairly sure I'm not the only bot operator who uses the specific gateway cloak to identify helpees in-channel (though of course I could change that with effort) stwalkerster (talk) 20:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Dannii Harwood page

Hi there I was wondering if someone would be able to help me set up a Wikipedia page for the UK model Dannii Harwood https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/09/style/onlyfans-porn-stars.html Dannii harwood (talk) 23:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dannii harwood: Please see your talk page about Wikipedia:Teahouse. As the editing banner for this particular page says, "This page is not a forum to request help." Peaceray (talk) 01:07, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Member

Hlo !!! I want to become a member of Wikipedia:Welcoming commitee. So how can I join that? Tanisha priyadarshini (talk) 16:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

This is for IRC, you should check WP:Welcoming committee. Praxidicae (talk) 16:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tanisha priyadarshini:, You are very new to Wikipedia and you want to jump to the Welcoming committee. Get some experience with Wikipedia and then move towards any group. Best. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 23:10, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Ohhh...OK thanks Aaqib and Praxidicae for the information. Tanisha priyadarshini (talk) 04:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)