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Primary and secondary schools edit

Lubao Institute edit

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Fails WP:NORG/WP:NSCHOOL. found no independent sigcov online. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 22:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cristo Rey San Diego High School edit

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Fails GNG and NCORP. Sources in article and found in BEFORE fail WP:SIRS, nothing addressing the subject - the San Diego campus - directly and indepth. Article is a unneeded CFORK of Cristo Rey Network, no objection to a redirect. // Timothy :: talk 17:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. Per WP:ORGCRIT, local units of larger organizations need to show coverage of the sub-unit beyond the local area. All reliable, secondary sources cited here are local to San Diego. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Cristo Rey Network. No sources found outside of non-independent or non-local media that meet SIGCOV requirements. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Germantown Friends School alumni edit

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Fails NLIST, sources not found showing this has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources. // Timothy :: talk 15:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There is no independent sourcing here, the list seems to have resulted from inside sources, therefore this list rests on an unreliable NPOV and is probably very one-sided. We have no way of knowing about all the "other" alumni who are not listed here, perhaps because they don't convey the same flattering message. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or merge / redirect to Germantown Friends School I'm not sure if a WP:BEFORE check was done, but a spot check shows that the overwhelming majority of the individuals listed are notable and that the standard of WP:NLIST is met and will be further enhanced by the addition of reliable and verifiable sources for those already listed. Worst case is that the list should be merged and redirected back to the article for Germantown Friends School, which is where it started in the first place. Either way, non-notables should be removed and more sources added in addition to the ones I have added and plan to add. Alansohn (talk) 19:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge back to parent article. Not convinced there is any need for a separate article. Ajf773 (talk) 21:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge back to parent article as is standard for these lists. Mangoe (talk) 22:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't merge because the list is too long for the ex-parent article. --Melchior2006 (talk) 06:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

San Vicente Academy edit

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Notability is in question. Could not find reliable sources that sufficiently cover this school. Sanglahi86 (talk) 09:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Cotabato_City#Education per WP:ATD. GNews, GSearch and GNews Archives didn't produce reliable sources. --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Cotabato_City#Education per Lenticel.

Dean Alberto Villarruz College edit

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Former school with little to no coverage. Sanglahi86 (talk) 15:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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redirect to Roxas_City#Education per WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MCL College of Arts and Science edit

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Subject could be redirected to Mapúa Malayan Colleges Laguna. Sanglahi86 (talk) 09:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Mapúa Malayan Colleges Laguna per nom. Parent article could use expansion as well. --Lenticel ^(talk) 10:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assumption College, Kilmore edit

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Cassiopeia talk 22:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Subject fails GNG to meet significant coverage from independent, reliable source where by the sources talk about the subject in length and in dept and not passing mentioned or verification.

Most of the sources are primary (assumption college or its founder Marist Brothers). Sources are not from Assumption College or Marist Brothers are the "Notable alumni " section where by - source -1, - source 2 and source-3 only mentioned the alumni members and not mentioned about Assumption college in length or in depth and info are part interview pieces which makes it not independent. source-4 is football club which is not reliable source. source-5 is football organization which is not a reliable source. Section on "Assumption College VCE results 2012-2020" - source -5 is from private company which makes it not reliable. Section on "Sporting achievements" which does not mention Assumption college and the the article is partially interview piece which makes it not independent.

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Keep - On the face of it this is a significant sized school and at the older end of all Australian schools. Not the oldest but a venerable institution. It has significant web presence, but like the concerns about sourcing on the page, much of that is not independent. There are three books about the school on the page that are not discussed above. However, one of these is published by the school, and the other two by a Kilmore publisher so independence is questionable. Yet a school that is publishing volumes about its history is still unusual in itself. Add to that very considerable sustained newspaper coverage, including a lot in The Age. The Age is an Australian newspaper of record, and a reliable source. Much of the coverage is primary, but again, 125 years of coverage is certainly not to be sniffed at. Then it gets mentioned in multiple books that are independent. E.g. [1], [2], [3], [4]. Although passing mentions don't help much, there is more significant coverage in some of these, and again, the very fact it gets mentioned so much indicates a level of significance. This looks like a GNG pass to me. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sirfurboy, This is Wikipedia and an article needs to pass the notability requirements to have a page in Wikipedia and it is NOT about how old and institution it has been operation or the unusual the history of the school. Primary sources can NOT be used to contribute to the notability requirements. Your sources [5], [6] - is a primary source; [7] is about the owners of the school and not about the school and it is just a book cover which does not indicated it cover the school in detail or in length; [8] is about Research Methodology and Research Results in Catholic Schools in Victoria, Australia and not about the school itself and lastly [9] is about Two Centuries of Surgery in Papua New Guinea not about the school itself. As you have mentioned, they are all passing mentioned which do not pass the notability requirements of Wikpedia. Cassiopeia talk 02:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is in my nature to draw attention to the weaknesses of the sources I present at AfD as part of a rounded argument. My drawing attention to the fact that many sources are primary therefore is a demonstration of familiarity with the guidelines, not unfamiliarity. But I note that your nom. statement only discusses the sources in the article (and misses the three books) and does not take into account the huge number of sources shown up in the linked searches (Google/books/news/scholar) and in newspaper archives. Looking at that, and at the detail here, that this is a very large and very old school, with sustained coverage and an actual history book written about it that has been accessioned by the National Library of Australia [10] - which book is already linked on the page, and which tells us it is noted for academic and sporting prowess and was one of the largest country boarding schools in Australia - I personally would not even have considered nominating this article after a WP:BEFORE. It does need cleanup, but AfD is not for that. Very clearly notable. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your last source is good but not the last 4 including the 3 books where the books are not talking about the subject but part of it, further more, you provide the book name and not the info of the book about the subject. If you can point to the page where we can read the info and verify significant coverage is in place then that is the different story but not because the old established of the subject as the means to pass the notability. To say this, it is unfortunate many colleges/educational institute or in the matter of the fact academics do not have a page in Wikipedia because of only primary sources covered them. Cassiopeia talk 08:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So again, I already highlighted the issue with passing mentions in the 4 books I highlighted (but remember that a book or article does not have to be about the subject to count towards notability). The point was not to say that those themselves were the best sources - the point is that on the face of it, there is not a snowball's chance that a school with this level of attention, coverage and mentions will fail to meet GNG. And I didn't just provide the name of that book, I provided its full bibliographic record at the National Library of Australia, which also includes an ISBN number. Not that this is strictly necessary, because that book is already listed on the page. I don't need to provide a page number - the whole book is a history of the school. I don't have it. It was published in 1976, and I do not think there is an electronic copy. Recall that sources do not need to be on the page, nor do they need to be available electronically to count towards notability. They merely must exist, and this book exists). However the information I was able to ascertain about the book can be seen on this ebay listing: [11] Very handy that they show us the synopsis and the contents pages. And it doesn't stop there. I made the case I did to save the necessity to trawl through 2,481 newspaper articles mentioning the school. But if you were to search Newspapers.com in the Wikipedia library, the very first page of hits would show up this thorough article[12] which would count as reliable (the Age is a reliable paper of record) with independent secondary coverage, a full page spread certainly being significant. There are other papers too that discuss the school [13], but more significantly, articles in The Age about their sporting prowess, this being just one example.[14] This school is notable. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vistamar School edit

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advertising. All the sources self-referential, little hope of finding others, no NPOV Melchior2006 (talk) 17:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, non-notable school Traumnovelle (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Significant write up on it here. [15] The page is indeed very poor (and tbh, it would be no great loss to just delete it). However there may be more sources, now that the school is approaching 20 years old. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific Reyada School edit

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WP:UNSOURCED school with no good place to redirect. A quick search reveals nothing more. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The nomination is incorrect in that the school has a reference. When the article was crerated I believe this scraped through as a "Highschool" because it was judged at the time that such a school was inherently notable. Today I have my doubts. A diligent WP:BEFORE finds that some sources have potential, but do not meet WP:NSCHOOL. I choose to remain neutral in this discussion. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sonatikuri High School edit

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Run-of-the-mill school with no significant coverage in reliable sources, thus failing to meet WP:NORG. Additionally, I am nominating the following pages created by the same user which share the same notability issues:

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Comment - The bundled nomination is going to take a little longer to be sure on. Sonatikuri has a web presence but almost a suspicious lack in other sources. I expect lack of newspaper coverage is down to this being from India, although JSTOR has a single advert for the school in amongst other articles. I wondered if there were alternate names, but the web search suggested this is right. The school has a small staff and I could not find enrolment numbers, but is clearly not large. That one is not looking very notable. Much the same can be said of Sarajubala Vidyapith. Amtala High School, however, has multiple hits in books [16], and this may be through a notable alumnus/alumna. Ultimately none of them may show notability (I see problems with most) but some reading to do there. It also gets a mention in this paper [17] which says There are some renowned educational institutions in Murshidabad district which include Amtala High School. If Amtala were unbundled from this, I would say delete the other two. This might be a good idea, as we want to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK, which could occur if Amtala really is renowned. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This and Sarajubala Vidyapith school for lack of sourcing. No opinion on Amtala high school. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Junior School edit

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PROD countered. Per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, articles about primary schools are only kept if they can be shown to meet WP:NORG. That is not the case here. Indeed, this is an article about a kindergarten. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep It is also a story about a UK-based charity. I added a few references. Hopefully just enough to save this story.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 04:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Ruud Buitelaar.Tamsier (talk) 03:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - although happy to consider a suitable redirect. I'm sorry but there is just not enough information about this school, as is the case of the vast majority of junior schools. Yes, this one is a charitable venture. Lots of them are. There are now four sources on the page. I analyse these below (with the first SHOFCO source being the only one that was there prior to AfD). On my analysis we do not have anything that meets WP:SIRS. There is almost nothing we can actually say about this school in an article. Source analysis:

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Secondary?
SHOFCO [18]	SHOFCO is Shining Hope for Communities, US based, I think it is a charity, and with a focus on Kibera.	SHOFCO appears legitimate. I have not investigated too hard on that score because this source fails on SIGCOV	The link is dead, but it is dated April 2009, and archive.org has a copy of the article [19]. There is no mention of this school at all in the article.	As there is no mention of the school, this is moot.
Charity Commission [20]			An overview of the charity, Maisha Tust. Nothing about th school. The charity is small too.	This is a primary source.
Optima [21]		Fitzwilliam College Newsletter with news of an alumna, the school's founder.	There is a single paragraph telling us that Sarah Shucksmith, a former Geography student, founded this school in her gap year, and they are building a new school building. It's creditable, but it's not notable.	– It is reporting and this is primary per WP:PRIMARYNEWS. However, as I know people will want to claim otherwise, and SIGCOV is not met anyway, I'll leave that as undetermined. It does not change anything.
Rus Newton [22]	This is a WP:SPS - a blog is a self published source	– I have no reason to say the writer is unreliable, but this is still self published.	To be honest, this would be well short of CORPDEPTH, but I would give ground to this being a charitable work, not a corporation. There is a little information here from which a page could be written, but it really isn't much. A lot more is needed, but I'll give it a yes on this one.	y

Delete per above, and based on my own long-standing factors. This is a very small charity/school that serves 65 young people. Bearian (talk) 19:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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British International School of Kuala Lumpur edit

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Article was AfDed in 2014 and closed as no consensus per a part WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES which subsequently was repealed in 2017. Since the previous nom, no new sources have come to light. Probably best if we redirect to Nord Anglia Education. Allan Nonymous (talk) 04:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree with the redirect to Nord Anglia Education. Bduke (talk) 05:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Nord Anglia Education. I have searched but cannot find information to demonstrate a pass of WP:GNG. The school is reasonably new and it may become notable in the future, but the redirect will preserve page history should that happen. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Universities and colleges edit

ACSI College-Iloilo edit

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Subject's notability is questionable. Sanglahi86 (talk) 14:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of universities and colleges in Iloilo per WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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ACSI College edit

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Subject's notability is questionable. Sanglahi86 (talk) 14:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of universities and colleges in Iloilo per WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador edit

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This article has been erased several times on Spanish Wikipedia (and is nor creation protected) for repeated efforts to promotionally recreate it. This suggests serious WP:PROMO risk. In addition, the sources here aren't notable, all are either WP:ROUTINE, or lacking WP:DEPTH. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador article deserves to remain on Wikipedia because it contributes to the encyclopedia's mission of providing comprehensive information about educational institutions around the world

Misunderstanding of notability: The repeated deletion attempts might be due to a misunderstanding of the university's notability. We should strive to improve articles with proper sources rather than deletion.

Improve the sources: If the sources used previously were not notable, we can find alternative sources that meet Wikipedia's criteria. There are plenty of reputable Ecuadorian news outlets about the university's achievements, programs, or events, even though most of these would be reptitive and not part of an encyclopedic entry.

Scholarly articles, news coverage, and government websites can be good starting points for finding reliable sources.

Comprehensiveness of Wikipedia: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that strives to be comprehensive. Deleting an article about a university in Ecuador limits the information available to users about higher education in the country. The following List of universities in Ecuador used to include articles for each of the accredited institutions in the country. As of April 29th 2024 it seems that most of these articles have been deleted.

Notability

In general, most legitimate colleges and universities are notable^[1] and should be included on Wikipedia. For notability of sub-articles, see relevant advice below. ... It is also important to bear in mind that anyone can set up an institution and call it a "college" or, in many countries, a "university", so that it is essential to be clear whether an institution warrants inclusion in Wikipedia based on that institution's use of these terms.

Government websites listing UPACIFICO and other universities as an accredited institution or mentioning its programs. Were part of the article prior to edits on April 29 2024.

Enhancing the Article's Quality:

A collective effort can be made to find and add high-quality sources that meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Despite this information being deleted because it was in "ugly tables"The article's content can be expanded to include information about the university's: History and mission Academic programs and faculty expertise Research activities and achievements Student life and campus facilities Accreditation status

Addressing Promotional Concerns:

We can collaborate to ensure the article presents a neutral and objective viewpoint. Promotional language can be replaced with factual descriptions of the university's academics, research, and student life. Editors can focus on providing verifiable information about the university's history, faculty, programs, and accreditation status.

With regards to the concern regarding repeated promotional recreation on the Spanish Wikipedia, this shouldn't automatically lead to deletion on the English version as the translation of this article into spanish does automatically reflect the existance of the article in wikipedia.es. The editing communities on each language version have some autonomy.

Independent Efforts: I translated the article into Spanish, demonstrating it wasn't a mere copy-paste attempt. Additionally, you mentioned finding the article created by other editors, further suggesting independent interest in the university. In my last edit on the Spanish Wikipedia my edit focused on adding a recognition which I had added to wikipedia.en, not promotional language, this led to the pages deletion, and blocking of my wikipedia.es account. Let me reiterate that wikipedia.es has a delitionist policy rather than a broader inclusionist perspective regarding knowledge.

Inconsistent Treatment: If you check [Universidades de Ecuador] All universities in Ecuador have entries on the Spanish Wikipedia. The Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador which has been deleted (and now reroutes to the English entry) seems inconsistent with this practice.

Proposal for Moving Forward:

Perhaps a communication channel can be established between the Spanish and English Wikipedia editors to discuss the university and ensure consistent treatment. I am more than willing to translate the Univerity entries in Spanish back into English in order to once again have a List of universities in Ecuador with entries to the different Universtites.

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All this is fine, but there are no sources about the school that we can use. Being on a list isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete despite what "College and university article advice" says, the actual notability guidelines do have requirements beyond being a legitimate university. It looks like the advice page may be a tad out of date. (Also there's no particular requirement to be consistent with the Spanish Wikipedia, they can do what they want). -- D'n'B-t -- 12:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sure it exists, but sourcing from a list of "50 best xxx" and interviews aren't what we're looking for... This is PROMO. I can't find anything beyond confirmation that the place exists. Oaktree b (talk) 15:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Varna University of Management edit

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Organization doesn't meet notability requirements. Moritoriko (talk) 23:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete doesn't meet notability requirements, and what little info there is almost reads like a promo Claire 26 (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yemen University edit

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I know it is unusual to delete a University - but I cannot find any online information about the University (except the bare fact that it is on Yemeni University lists - although I am not sure how old these lists are). It appears no longer to have a website. Links are either not orking or provide no helpful info. No obvious lkinks to anything else. The wiki page suggests the unbioversity is strong in nutrition - but https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9517972/ suggests it is not on the 2022 list of Yemeni universities awarding decrees in nutrition. Perhaps it has changed its name or amalgamated? Newhaven lad (talk) 09:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The article is entirely unsourced (general external links are used as reference) and filled with original research. Before reaching a conclusion whether to delete or keep I think it'd be fair if someone draftified it and use sources then we could've judged it based on it's merit. But if it stands as is, then delete seems impending. X (talk) 19:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It exists and it is a university. The poor sourcing is due to the language barrier. Desertarun (talk) 12:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Regular university. Agreeing with Desertarun. gidonb (talk) 13:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a private university it needs to meet WP:NCORP which it definitely doesn’t. I’ve searched in Arabic and got no news hits at all and nothing much on a general search. Nothing to suggest notability. Mccapra (talk) 20:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The article states they have 375 students, which is not a university. Many of the claims look too much, and none are verified. From their own web page the number of faculty is very small. Making a Beowulf cluster is not notable. More significant coverage is needed, this fails almost everything. Ldm1954 (talk) 00:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment State universities and colleges tend to be notable, although this is a comparatively minor vocational one. It appears reasonably likely that WP:SOURCESEXIST, but searching in Cyrillic is difficult for many of us. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Undecided. Universities are normally notable, although even by North Macedonian standards this one appears to be quite small (the other public universities in North Macedonia for which we have articles each have more than 10 times as many students as this one). Yes, searching in Macedonian is difficult for us here, but the article in the Macedonian Wikipedia isn't that much better. At worst, though, redirect to List of universities in North Macedonia rather than deleting this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We have generally kept universities founded by statute. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Based on what policy? The Banner talk 18:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Seconding the policy question. Also, as I stated in the original nomination, I could not verify the claims -- maybe someone else can. For instance, I am doubtful about all the claimed collaborations with universities many times their size, the 14 BA & MA degrees, the ranking. I could not verify any of these. It is easy to write on a web page, but normally we look for verifiability, WP:N. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Based on WP:CONSENSUS over many AfDs. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, I am asking for a policy. Not for a circular reasoning. The Banner talk 23:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yup, that policy would be WP:CONSENSUS! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I am still asking for a policy that says specifically that we are keeping "universities founded by statute". WP:CONSENSUS does not state that. And saying that we keep universities because we kept universities in the past because we kept universities in the past etc. is a circular reasoning. Not based on any policy. The Banner talk 17:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- the top level polytechnic of a nation that was founded by the national government is a notable act in itself. There are numerous US institutions with fewer undergraduates (Caltech) or even 1/10th of the total number of students (Deep Springs College) that are notable, so the size of the institution isn't a determining factor; the significance of the institution to a nation's identity is a glimpse at the importance to a people. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 10:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two points:

Please check your numbers, you are way off. Caltech has close to 3 times (1023) the number of undergrads per year, to compare to the total number of 357 for both BS & MS, plus Caltech admitted 1440 grads. https://registrar.caltech.edu/records/enrollment-statistics

You ignored the key point -- essentially nothing on this Wikipedia page is verifiable. The Deep Springs College page has 37 sources, plus stacks of other material that verifies notability.

I politely request that you demonstrate their notability if you want to defend them. Ldm1954 (talk) 12:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral If we are to evaluate only based on the inserted references, then this fails every notability guideline, but if sources in foreign (local) language exist, and are promptly introduced, then things could change. I feel it's necessary that someone with proficiency in the local language performs some searches and shares the results. X (talk) 19:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed Ldm1954 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of universities in North Macedonia until proper sourcing can be identified. JoelleJay (talk) 21:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete with no prejudice against recreation if sources become available. I conducted some searches in Macedonian but failed to locate significant secondary source coverage. Right now we are doing no service to our readers by having an article unsupported by sources making various dubious claims. AusLondonder (talk) 10:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Redirection to List of universities in North Macedonia is an excellent alternative to deletion. I'm on the fence as far as independent notability, leaning very very slightly on the keep side, essentially per the argument of Necrothesp. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 11:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Simply stating we have kept other articles is not an argument. AusLondonder (talk) 14:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weakish keep. I got some help from one of our students here with language. There's an interview with the vice-rector [23], which we probably can't use for facts, but which I think contributes to notability. Substantial piece in Makedonsko Sonce on a potential reorganization [24]. There's coverage in national newspapers related to a labor disagreement [25], and in context of national university organization [26] (for example, lots of stories of the latter type). Lots of coverage in Ohrid News, for example [27][28][29][30]. I found perfoming Google site-searches for "Универзитетот за информатички науки и технологии" to be helpful. Overall, I'm seeing enough consistent coverage over time for a reasonable notability case. As other editors have been saying, this is as one would expect for one of a small number of state universities. I am not impressed with the comparison with CalTech, but I think it might be helpful to compare with e.g. the University of Maine School of Law: a small technical school that is nonetheless of regional importance and wider interest, and that is appropriate for encyclopedic coverage. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 13:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't mean to connect reputation to Caltech -- and Deep Springs, Harvey Mudd, or University of Main School of Law is a better analogy to what I meant as my point that size of institution in itself isn't a determinant of notability. Thanks for the better comparison. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 20:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinging @ElKevbo and Sdkb: as regulars at WP:WikiProject Higher Education, their input could help build a consensus. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 12:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but my expertise is in US higher education. And with seemingly most or all of the available sources not being in my only language I'm afraid that I can't be very helpful here at all. If pressed, I would lean slightly toward keep on the strength of the evidence that you cited in your own "weakish keep" !vote. But if there aren't enough sources available for an article to be written by volunteers in English Wikipedia then I would certainly understand a "delete" result. ElKevbo (talk) 00:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Found this via ping above) Keep per Russ Woodroofe (trusting the validity of the sources, as I don't speak Macedonian). Sdkb ^talk 14:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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