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June 11

Edit history

An editor replaced the contents of Operation Star with another, which is really Operation Star 94, on 10 June. I would like to move the newer material to that other title and restore the much more significant World War II operation, but how can I attach the three-edit Star 94 history to the new article? Does this require an admin? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a WP:HISTSPLIT, which does need admin assistance. DMacks (talk) 02:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I did it:) DMacks (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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How can I report malicious edit of existing Wiki Page?

A profile photo of Samdech Hun Manet, Prime Minister of Cambodia, had been replaced by a photoshopped photo. It has now been reversed to the original photo, but how can I report this so that it won't happen again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.130.126.126 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Where did you see this? The article Hun_Manet has not been edited in the past few weeks. If you do notice ongoing persistent vandalism, you can request page protection at WP:RFPP but that won't be granted for a one-time event. RudolfRed (talk) 03:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

This is a help desk for the English Wikipedia. I don't know why but the poster removed their own link to the affected page https://km.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%9E%A0%E1%9F%8A%E1%9E%BB%E1%9E%93_%E1%9E%98%E1%9F%89%E1%9E%B6%E1%9E%8E%E1%9F%82%E1%9E%8F.[1] We have no authority over the Khmer Wikipedia and Wikipedia editions have different processes and policies. I don't know theirs or their language. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

signing into my wiki page

I'm trying to edit my page but I can't remember my password. I've tried resetting it but receive no instructions to my email address 49.224.233.208 (talk) 04:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 49.224.233.208. Does my page mean a user page or a Wikipedia article? If you had previously created a Wikipedia account and don't remember the password, please take a look at Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical#How do I recover a password I have forgotten? for some general information on how to reset your password. However, in order for the process to work, you will need to have registered an email address when you created your account, and you will need to be able to access that account. If you can still access your email account, try checking the accpount's spam folder to see whether any emails related to Wikipedia accidentally ended up there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

To continue what Marchjuly said: if you mean an article about you, then you should not edit it. If there are changes you think should be made, please see AUTOPROB. ColinFine (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Request to upload an English Wikipedia image

Request to upload an English Wikipedia image. Currently, the logo image of the Wikipedia entry (Soul (app)) is old and needs to be updated with the latest brand logo.

Wikipedia: Soul (app) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_ (app);

The source file is: https://s3.amazonaws.com/i.snag.gy/f0UkRC.jpg Lihaiyue88 (talk) 06:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Lihaiyue88 Please go to Files For Upload. 331dot (talk) 06:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Lihaiyue88. You should be able to update the logo yourself by going to File:Soul App logo.jpg, scrolling to the bottom of the page and clicking on "Upload a new version of this file"; however, you'll need to download the new logo to your computer first before uploading to Wikipedia. If you're unable to do this yourself, you can ask for help at Wikipedia:Files for upload. FWIW, though, there doesn't appear to be any real difference between the logo currently being used in the article and the one you want to upload; so, there might not really be a need to change things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! My account does not have permission to upload images. Can you help me upload the latest logo? The latest logo still has a significant difference from the original image. The new logo has a green border and a "Soul APP" logo, making it more representative. Lihaiyue88 (talk) 10:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

BUt the current is much represented. I mean File:Soul App logo.jpg. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Above, I've commented out your intended inclusion of the file File:Soul App logo.jpg, SafariScribe, because its copyright status does not license such appearances. -- Hoary (talk) 11:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Unsure whether the user is a sock or not

This user's last reply to me on their talk page said that they "edited several pages" when the account was just created today so I'm not sure if the account is a sock or not and that's why I go here instead of reporting it at WP:SPI. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 11:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@98Tigerius It is possible block evasion, or, more simply, that the editor no longer has access to a prior account, or that this is the first account they have created after editing anonymously. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@98Tigerius I have made a polite request for clarification on their talk page. Until the mist clears may I suggest you take them at face value? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

This is it exactly - I took some time off and used to do it anonymously. But opened a new account yesterday based on my thrill for Show 8

I have created several pages before and wrote out Plot sections that provide more details to a tv show that offers more detail than the episode summaries and synopsis while keeping with the rules. This user deleted 5 hours of my work without explanation and threatened to report me if I added it back. This is why my replies were less than cordial. DanFromHR (talk) 17:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright but I disagree with this line: "This user deleted 5 hours of my work without explanation and threatened to report me if I added it back." — I gave an explanation when I reverted your edits on The 8 Show and it is a warning not threatening. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 17:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The Talk page is clear. You absolutely deleted 5 hours of my work - I wrote it because the synopsis nor the episodes give a good summary of the show and I stayed within Plot guidelines. When I was editing the page, you wrote me to say you would report me to the administrator if I put it back, meanwhile your editing left a huge space game on the page that I fixed. Your whole approach was rude and unpleasant. DanFromHR (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Additionally you flagged it as one error, and then changed it to another - there was no acknowledgement or explanation until I was editing it again in which you threatened me. A warning is a threat lol. I still stand that it was not in violation of either of the rules you linked and you didn't say a thing until the second time I reposted it. It would be better if you would be honest DanFromHR (talk) 18:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @98Tigerius: per the sockpuppetry policy, users are allowed to use more than one account, and if they have edited logged out they are permitted (encouraged, even) to create an account and continue editing. Only certain deceptive and inappropriate uses of multiple accounts are forbidden; see WP:ILLEGIT. If you have evidence that a user is using multiple accounts in a way that is not allowed then you should report that to administrators to take action, otherwise you are generally expected to assume good faith. I hope that helps. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Help moving from sandbox to wikipedia

Hello. I am attempting to move this link User:NY wikiwiki/sandbox into an open page to share. I have checked the help information and even YouTube walk throughs, with no luck. My version of wikipedia, on my computer (Safari) seems different than what the video was showing. Help please. Thank you. DaniMotherofDragons (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@DaniMotherofDragons Generally, unless the sandbox has been submitted for review, we leave other people's sandboxes well alone. There are specific exceptions. Why do you believe that NY wikiwiki wishes this sandbox to become an article at this stage, please? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Users that are not autoconfirmed (have been active for at least a week and have made at least 10 edits) cannot move articles directly from a sandbox or draft to the main article space. You can add {{draft article}} to the top of the page, which will give you the option to submit it to Articles for Creation for review, but why would you be submitting this article on behalf of someone else? Reconrabbit 12:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

So, this started as a semester long project of research in a class. Our instructor has been asking us to submit it but my class mate (who originally typed out everything in her account) and I have both been unable to get it moved. Neither of us have submitted anything to Wikipedia before, so that is probably why this is going on. I will try the review. Thank you. DaniMotherofDragons (talk) 12:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@DaniMotherofDragons in a few moments I will add the necessary template to allow it to be submitted for review. Please count to 50, slowly. It should be the sandbox owner who submits it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense and is good to know. I appreciate the help with this. I have read stuff on Wikipedia plenty but never submitted and edited anything. So this is a whole new experience but it is nice to see that it is still a community. Thank you. DaniMotherofDragons (talk) 12:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@DaniMotherofDragons It is now at User:NY wikiwiki/Demetrus Coonrod whch makes more sense. It has not been submitted for review 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@DaniMotherofDragons and, bizarrely, I see no submit button there. {{Draft article}} is intended to show them. Perhaps another Help Desk editor might take a look, please? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for editing that. It does make more sense. I'm still very green. DaniMotherofDragons (talk) 12:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If need be, I can try and ask the sandbox owner to join the conversation, maybe? I'm assuming I can just send her this link and she will be able to view it. DaniMotherofDragons (talk) 12:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@DaniMotherofDragons Unless oyu can see a submit button or they can it is technical help we need. Adding their voice is not a problem but it will just make a longer thread 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Got it. I will just relay the information to her through text then. Thanks. DaniMotherofDragons (talk) 12:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@DaniMotherofDragons I chose a different template, whch has worked 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Great! Thank you so much for your help. Before submitting, I will check over everything again. I appreciate all of the help and patience with this. DaniMotherofDragons (talk) 13:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Quote from Draft:Demetrus Coonrod: "Her journey from prison to public office exemplifies resilience, determination, and the power of redemption. Demetrus Coonrod’s life serves as a testament to transformation, second chances, and the ability to rise above circumstances. Her advocacy and commitment inspire us all." I think that a look at WP:PEACOCK might be useful here. Also, "Our instructor has been asking us to submit it" bears all the hallmarks of WP:BOSS.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Got it, thank you. DaniMotherofDragons (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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Reusing of sources on an article about Glorb

Hello, I'm currently working on Draft:Glorb and I was wondering if the reusing of sources in multiple parts of an article to prove something's existence is allowed. In my case, I want to use a YouTube interview source from the "Interview with MoistCr1TiKaL" section of the draft in the article's Identity section to prove Glorb gave hints about his identity in the interview. Thanks in advance. 2pxc. ^dms 15:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 2pxc. Yes, you can reuse the same source multiple times in an article: see WP:NAMEDREF for how to do it.

But, "prov[ing] something's existence" is almost irrelevant to a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia has articles about things that don't exist, such as unicorns and Atlantis; conversely, there are trillions of things in the universe that do exist and Wikipedia will never have article about, such as (probably) you, and me, and my left big toe.

What Wikipedia is interested in is not whether things exist, but whether reliable independent sources have written about them. (which is the case for unicorns and Atlantis - not just that there are writing about them as though they existed, but that there are scholarly investigations into them).

The kind of questions you need to be asking are not "Does Glorb exist?", or "does anybody know Glorb's identity?", but "where have people wholly unconnected with Glorb chosen to write about them at some length and been published in reliable sources?"

Unless you can find some examples of this, then your draft cannot be accepted.

As for their identity, (assuming there is enough independent material to base an article on in the first place), unless somebody independent has discussed their identity in a reliable source, you should probably not even mention the issue. It might be OK to report that they have said X and Y in an interview, but you must not do any theorising, suggesting, arguing, deducing, or concluding in the article: that would be original research, which is forbidden. Nor should you report any theorising or suggesting which has taken place on social media or other unreliable sources (unless, again, a reliable independent sources has written about such discussion). ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Mansu Hill Grand Monument

I apparently cannot link the image in the infobox to the Wikimedia Commons image, although it exists and is legally allowed. Instead, the image it takes you if you click into it directs to the Wikipedia file. Why might this be the case and how can I fix it? In fact, when I link the file, it automatically links to the Wikipedia file.

Depicted image

2003 LN6 15:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

That's just the standard way image pages appear here, you are linking to the the image on Commons, you can see a notice on it that says "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below." Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 16:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Just Step Sideways: When I click on the image from the infobox on the article, the bottom right corner shows a blue button that links to the Wikipedia file, not the Commons file. 2003 LN6 16:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

As a featured picture, it has a local description page, the file is transcluded from Commons on that page. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 16:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes. All Commons files also have a local file page showing the Commons image and Commons description (unless there is a different local file with the same name). It varies whether image features will link to the Commons file page or the local file page. The blue button in MediaViewer normally links the Commons page and indicates that with a Commons icon on the button. But if a local file page has been created (only wikitext, no uploaded file) then it's linked instead with another icon. The local file page File:Mansudae-Monument-Bow-2014.jpg was created in 2015.[2]. It only contains {{FeaturedPicture|Mansu Hill Grand Monument}} and {{picture of the day|2017-12-03}} which is displayed above the Commons description, but misleadingly below a box saying "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below." PrimeHunter (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

So is the image link currently correct on the page? 2003 LN6 18:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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Track and field

Track and Field history which mention disable athletes included Paralympic Games. There was no mention of history of Deaf Olympic Games. Why is it Deaf Olympic Games not included? This is my dispute. Please advise. Thank you. Respectfully,

Duncan Payne SeniorBigDog (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

We have an article: Deaflympics. As for whether it should be included in the Track and field article, I'd say most likely yes, but you'd do better to make the suggestion at Talk:Track and field. It is possible that article contributors were simply unaware of these events. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The Paralympics are much better known than the Deaflympics. Sport of athletics#Athletes with disabilities briefly mentions the Deaflympics. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Wide pane/frame added on the right side

Why was another wide pane/frame added on the right side? It was annoying enough when the left pane/frame was added a while back, now the reading portions of the pages are uselessly narrow. PLEASE PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS. Thank you. 32.221.117.248 (talk) 21:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If you see menus to the sides then they should have a "hide" link. If you already hide them and refer to blank space in a relatively wide window then it's a design feature of the current default skin. If you create an account then you can select the former skin Vector legacy at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. You can also test it out by adding ?useskin=vector to a url like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk?useskin=vector. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

You can click the hide button to hide the bar. assuming you're talking about the Appearance menu. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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With my 1366 horizontal resolution, this column is taking up 25% of the screen, and comes up for every WP page I open even after I clicked the "Hide" button on another page earlier. On some pages I can't even see the intro text without scrolling down because an infobox is taking up all the space at the top. Is the only way to get rid of this column, the enshitification step of forcing me to allow cookies from the domain, or to create an account? This column is useless because browsers handle this vastly better, is automatically remembered per domain by them, and can be done with keyboard shortcuts. 105.245.232.250 (talk)

Responded at the Teahouse. Folly Mox (talk) 12:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

How to generate a link that highlights a selected excerpt

Hello!
How does one create a link that highlights a selected excerpt in a Wikipedia page's body? And do there exist any tools or usersrcipts that make such link generation easier than writing it oneself? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 23:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Zanahary, are you referring to how, for example this link will take you to this section on this page if you open it in a new tab? If so, you can add a # after the article name in the link, then put the name of the section (in this case, for example, "How to generate a link that highlights a selected excerpt") after that, like Wikipedia:Help desk#How to generate a link that highlights a selected excerpt, or Rainbow#Explanation. The template {{section link}} can also do this if you don't want to change the text of the link, for example {{section link|Rainbow|Explanation}} → Rainbow § Explanation. I don't think there are any scripts which do this any faster (you'd have to provide all the information anyways so it can't really get much faster).

If you're referring to how this link (might) directly emphasize specific text, you shouldn't use this on Wikipedia. It only works on some browsers right now, and I don't think there's any way to do it that is directly supported in wikilinks. If you want to do it for you own purposes, though, and you are fully aware that it will not work for many people, you can create the link by adding #:~:text= after the full URL of the page, followed by the text on the page you want highlighted but with each space replaced with %20, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow#:~:text=This%20angle%20is%20independent%20of%20the%20size%20of%20the%20drop,%20but%20does%20depend%20on%20its%20refractive%20index

If neither of these are what you're asking about, can you maybe link to a page that has an example on it so we can see what you mean? Tollens (talk) 04:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

It was the latter—I see that it doesn't work for Firefox. Bummer! Thank you very much for your detailed helpful answer @Tollens! ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

{{vanchor}} also does something related to this. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)