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Novembre (band) edit

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No evidence of any notability. There are everal spin-off articles detailing each disc, but these also have only reviews as their sources. This article has a single source and searches don't find anything better. Fails WP:BAND and all their discography articles fail similarly. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 19:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emiliano Bucci edit

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The subject is apparently some sort of public school teacher/pianist. I could not find any indication of notability. BLP has had no non-circular references since 2006. The result of the previous AfD in 2007 was no consensus. I am unable to apply BLPPROD due to external links. XabqEfdg (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Nothing came up on Google. Found two archived references from his Italian article, which are questionable per "WP:TEACHER" RolandSimon (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete -- most claims to notability here are of the "inherited" kind. Otherwise normal career of a working musician. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 19:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Newton edit

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The article seems to attempt to inherit notability from Wayne Newton, Jerry's younger brother. WP:NOTINHERITED applies. Checking the references is challenging. Jerry does appear, generally with reference to the sibling, and as a passing reference to Jerry. The article seems to be more a tribute (WP:NOTMEMORIAL applies) than anything else. Jerry was obviously notable to those who loved and respected him, but the references do not show a pass of any of WP:BIO, WP:NMUSICIAN, nor WP:NACTOR. Releasing records does not mean notability, nor does a bit part in an episode of Bonanza where he is listed as a cast member, but his part was not a named character. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I agree with the nominator, as Jerry had a minor career as an entertainer but with no achievements on his own that satisfy our notability requirements. He is only mentioned briefly in sources about his much more famous brother. This article is probably an attempted memorial. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:NOTMEMORIAL certainly and his career is alongside his brother, then minor bit parts and a lawsuit...— Iadmc ♫^talk 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SolarX edit

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No indication that this person is notable. Count Count (talk) 08:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Completely unsourced stub, and no indication of notability. Seems to me that it would even qualify for speedy deletion under criterion A7, but I'm not entirely sure, since the article has some history (and was created in 2005). CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The musical act called SolarX has no coverage beyond basic streaming and self-promotional sites, while Dr. Belavkin is an academic who is listed briefly in corresponding professional directories. Neither way does he meet WP requirements for notability. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Lost Symbols edit

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Does not meet WP:BAND. Also, There are not enough sources to determine notability.

The ref used in the article is irrelevant to the page's subject. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 05:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Tamara Yajia edit

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Does not meet WP:BIO, or the notability standards for authors or comedians. No SIGCOV, one self published book with no reviews, no secondary coverage for writing or comedy. Links in article are either dead links about twitter presence or interviews, a search turned up no other evidence of notability. Ruth Bader Yinzburg (talk) 22:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I suppose having a funny twitter could be notable, but what's used for sourcing now is brief mentions. I can't find anything outside of social media; not meeting notability requirements. Oaktree b (talk) 23:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Portable (musician) edit

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The subject lacks significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. The references provided are either not substantial or do not offer in-depth analysis. Also as of WP:GNG The General Notability Guideline requires that biographies of living persons must be covered in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Portable's media coverage does not meet this threshold. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 23:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment After reading your reasons of why you nominated the article. I had to start laughing because they obviously make no sense lol. They were not even better than why the article was accepted in the first place through AFC. You thought am gonna act like you who defend article because of the effort being made just like you said here but No I don't do such. You thought wikipedia is a place of war but no it's not. TheTechie has also warned you on your talk page but I guess its also high time I report you to SilkTork. I would also like SilkTork to see this too for reference.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 00:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it clearly passes the general notability guidelines. OhHaiMark (talk) 15:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Deletion is not cleanup. The article is probably in a bad state but deleting is not the way. The subject has been nominated for The Headies twice. Their songs with Olamide and Skepta has been topping charts. A WPBEFORE shows this. Best, Reading Beans 07:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep: I don't get the nomination. What's really the monitors rationale? WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV? They are already there in the article. Meets WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:ANYBIO. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This article is notable because it meets WP:GNG. It requires some amount of clean up, not deletion. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 21:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Subject is notable, the article just needs to be cleaned up. If there's anyone who could look into it would help as well. Jamiebuba (talk) 17:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Louisa Rachel Solomon edit

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No obvious reason why bandmember should have own page. Doesn't seem to pass WP:BANDMEMBER. Very few internal links. Seaweed (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as "Louisa Solomon" (as this article should be called) easily meets WP:BASIC. Agree that not every band member should have their own Wikipedia article, but in her case, it is justified because of the focused coverage she has received about her anti-Zionist views while identifying as Jewish and queer. This was discussed in The Washington Post (Online) in 2014 when the band's scheduled performance at a festival run by the DC Jewish Community Center was canceled due to her stated political views. There is also a 2014 Wall Street Journal Online article about her as well as the band. If you compare the band's article (The Shondes) with her biography, the two are distinct – and it's important to note that many reviews about The Shondes (e.g. in Rolling Stone) don't even discuss their religion and politics and the band also includes at least one non-Jewish member. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allan von Schenkel edit

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this unreferenced article about a musician, and not found anything to add. I don't think he meets WP:NMUSIC, WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Tacyarg (talk) 09:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't find any mentions of this musician, I don't see awards or charted singles. Not meeting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No verifiable source. Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julia Kova edit

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The significance of the person is not visible in WP: MUSIC. Among the links are her official website and social networks.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Val Ramos edit

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this unreferenced biography of a musician, and cannot find coverage to add. I do not think the subject meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NMUSIC. Tacyarg (talk) 00:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cele De edit

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Fails WP:NBAND as I could not find any coverage in sources to back up any claims made in the article. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yeh Shu-hua edit

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No observed changes in notability for ~~WP:GNG, WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER~~ WP:SNG (WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER) since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yeh Shuhua in 2021. The previous AfD resulted in redirect, this is the revision prior to the AfD closure. Please note that there was previously a typo mistake refering SNG as WP:GNG in the initial revision, this has since been corrected on 2 June, a day later, with formatting adjustment to ensure I'm implying both SINGER and BANDMEMBER collectively in relation to SNG to avoid confusion. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC) ; edited 15:15, 2 June 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]

I believe the references show that the subject meets the following criteria. The references has the person as the main subject and not just a passing mention as part of the group.
1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.

A big difference from the other version is a reliance on published sources like news reports and magazines rather than Youtube videos. Firezzasd (talk) 18:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't see how "reliance on published sources like news reports and magazines" is of any differences to the pointers raised by Explicit in the previous AfD, pretty close in my opinion. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 18:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
can you link the previous AfD discussion, so I can see what points were raised? Firezzasd (talk) 18:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already linked, above ^. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 18:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The main difference is that discussion is from June 2021. There's more reporting on the subject in the last three years, as evident in the references. I think if the concern is independent notability, that's no longer an issue as compared to back then. Firezzasd (talk) 18:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More as in? Other than 1 hosting news releases (pretty much routine), health issues (ref bombing), 1 cover magazine featured, endorsements for 1 bag brand (ref bombing) and shoe brand (ref bombing). And minus here and there compared to the deleted article due to no reliable sources available. So where exactly does WP:SINGER and WP:BANDMEMBER criteria is fulfiled? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can see the evidence is kind of thin for WP:SNG, but like both you and Prince of Erebor already pointed out, there's more than enough to pass WP:GNG. Therefore, it should be a keep instead of a redirect. Firezzasd (talk) 15:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Strong Keep: I think the nominator is more likely arguing that Yeh Shu-hua does not demonstrate sufficient individual notability to have a standalone article and should be redirected, rather than filing for a deletion. Then I guess it would be more helpful if the nominator would elaborate on their rationale for considering the other four out of five members to have individual notability (Soojin debuted solo so I am not counting her), while singling out Yeh as lacking it. As a Taiwanese member whose career has been based in Korea, I have looked into sources covering her in both Chinese and Korean. I can't read Korean, so I could only run sources with a translator and it seems like there are quite a lot sources that cover Shu-hua personally, most notably is her solo work as the host of WORKDOL (see My Daily [ko][1] and Nate News[2], and I later also found coverage in Chinese sources, like Elle[3] and ETToday [zh][4]) and appearances in variety shows. (See Segye Ilbo[5], Global Economy Newspaper [ko][6], Zum [ko][7], etc.) I do read Chinese though, and found a lot more sources with SIGCOV about her career, personal life and controversies. (See Elle[8], GQ Taiwan[9], SET News[10], Nownews[11], United Daily News[12], Jusky [zh] [13], Storm Media [zh][14], TVBS News[15] etc.) There are also media coverage on some of her solo works in Taiwan, such as participating in the Taiwanese game show Mr. Player [zh] (see Liberty Times[16] and China Times[17]), a recent travel program with Bolin Chen, (see Oriental Daily News[18]), or performing at Golden Wave At Taiwan. (See Mirror Media[19] and ETToday[20]) Considering the sources already presented in the article and provided by Cunard in the previous AFD, as well as the additional ones I have listed out, I think it is more than enough to show that the subject person has well passed GNG. The SIGCOV on the subject person's solo works are also sufficient to demonstrate the individual notability. So it is a quite obvious pass of both GNG and BANDMEMBER in my opinion. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 10:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Read through the majority of the linked news articles above, still couldn't find where is the individual notability as a SINGER and BANDMEMBER.
1. Routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance in Workdol's episode
2. Another routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance in Workdol's episode
3. Digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
4. Another routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance in Workdol's episode
5. Gossip coverage on her attitude on Civilization Express
6. Just a photo coverage of her aheading to Music Bank
7. Routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance on Knowing Bros, as part of promotion with (G)I-dle
8. Another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
9. Yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
10. An article about her debut with (G)I-dle, pretty much yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
11. Yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
12. Yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
13. Coverage of her Instagram post, yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article
14. Coverage on Song Yuqi and Minnie, she mentioned in WP:PASSINGMENTION
15. Coverage of her Instagram post, basically a gossip coverage
16. Routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance in Mr. Player's episode
17. Same as #16, basically a copy-paste plus-minus coverage
18. Routine coverage of her returning to work after illness
19. Routine coverage on Golden Wave at Taiwan concert, she is mentioned in PASSINGMENTION as (G)I-dle is performing there
20. Routine coverage on her special MC/host apperance on Golden Wave at Taiwan concert (the same event as #19)
In relation to "[the] rationale for considering the other four out of five members to have individual notability", I'm not sure why I'm even answering this question when a quick scan through each (Cho Mi-yeon, Minnie, Jeon So-yeon, Song Yuqi) already given the obvious answer of meeting GNG and/or BLP and/or SINGER and/or BANDMEMBER criteria. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paper9oll: Hi Paper9oll! Hmm... I believe it is necessary to clarify your expectations for individual notability in order to reach a consensus here. I am not particularly familiar with (G)I-dle, as far as I know, the key difference between Yeh and the other members is that she did not have any individual musical releases. (If I remember correctly Yuqi had her article before releasing her first solo single though) However, I don't think debuting solo is a crucial criterion for determining individual notability, and it is not explicitly stated in BANDMEMBER either. (Ryujin and Lia come to mind as a counterexample.) Aside from this, I do not think the media coverage of Minnie and Yuqi should differ significantly from that of Yeh. I also found it difficult to agree with about half of the summaries you provided. For instance, I cited sources mentioning Yeh hosting Workdol, participating in variety programs, and co-hosting an upcoming travel program with Chen Bolin (the latter was mistakenly labeled as covering her returning from illness). I was intending to emphasize Yeh's solo activities, which I see as demonstrating her individuality, rather than the overall notability. I am also slightly puzzled by how these can be considered routine coverage, or else an actor's entire filmography can be viewed as just their "another day of work" as well. Another key point of disagreement is the categorization of the Chinese sources covering her biography as news digests. SIGCOV never emphasizes that the subject person has to be a unique or major topic of the source, but rather require the source to address the subject person directly and in detail only. These few sources are entirely about Yeh's biography, even the title singled her out instead of referring her as a group. I guess there isn't really room of argument that those sources are direct and detailed addresses. I think this level of SIGCOV on Yeh's early life, career, and personal life far exceeds the requirements of GNG. While I may concede that Yeh's lack of a solo debut could be seen as not meeting BANDMEMBER for individual notability, it is still unconvincing to dismiss the aforementioned sources as run-of-the-mill. I agree to disagree, but respectfully I think the subject person has undoubtedly fulfilled GNG. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Prince of Erebor Maybe my standards are higher, I still don't see how she is meeting SNG (SINGER and BANDMEMBER) criteria. Maybe the previous AfD should have resulted in passing for GNG but failure for SNG i.e. keep instead of redirect, I would expect the same for this i.e. passing for GNG but failure for SNG unless other editor(s) changes the !vote scale or if the closer has other POVs, I believe this would be keep closure. I mistakenly written GNG instead of SNG previously until I realised that I'm trying to refer to the latter instead of the former as when I'm re-reading through your replies, I kept seeing GNG concerns even though this isn't my point of concern. However for the others (G)I-dle's members, they met both GNG and SNG hence this wasn't a typo. Regardless, I'm not expecting a consensus between us anyway since this is AfD. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paper9oll: Oh, I do understand more of your arguments now though. Because assessments on NBLP standards can vary, but GNG should be very straightforward and I was really head-scratching when my sources were denounced as they are clearly providing SIGCOV to the subject person. In my opinion, the subject person has passed both GNG and SNG as she has demonstrated individual notability with her solo works. I agree to disagree on SNG as stated in my previous reply, regarding the determination of the individual notability stated in BANDMEMBER, and I agree that we have very different sets of bars and expectations. But I think the subject person has undeniably passed GNG, and because since the beginning of this discussion (I think) Firezzasd and I were building our points on how Yeh should have already passed GNG, (that was literally why I went for Strong Keep) I think the consensus should head to a keep as well. GNG is also a notability guideline after all, and an article can be kept simply by meeting those criteria. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect: per nominator. Still no substantial evidence of individual notability. Per WP:BANDMEMBER, to the extent that every idol may have some advertisement or hosting gigs but it isn't exceptionally notable here either.Evaders99 (talk) 02:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paper9oll: Sorry, but to be fair, I think you should leave the typo and retain GNG in your nomination statement. Because that was where the discussion was heading (otherwise it is misleading to all editors who are joining the discussion) - that I agree the subject person may not necessarily have fulfilled BANDMEMBER and there may not be consensus, but has way too many sources that significantly cover her personally, and GNG should be a good reason to keep this article. @Evaders99: I think a redirect is not a bad option either, but I think you may have some reconsiderations on GNG and WP:BASIC, which were the core rationales of the discussion Firezzasd and I were establishing (instead of SNG/BANDMEMBER) before considering ATDs. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Prince of Erebor I believe that I had already explained that earlier i.e. I'm not concerned on GNG but rather SNG, in fact I have been communicating where exactly is SNG met right from the start regardless to you or Firezzasd while yes there is a typo error however it has never deviated the discussion from the question i.e. me asking repeatedly on meeting SNG criteria. Why SNG because she is commonly known as a singer per MOS:ROLEBIO as supposed to any other sub roles derived from her main role. Regardless, whether she met GNG but failed SNG is ultimately, the closer decision to decide on, however if you have any concerns on the closing result i.e. it wasn't your expected outcome then you can go to WP:DRV to file for re-review provided the rationale is aligned with DRV guidelines. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paper9oll: No, you are completely missing my point. I was trying to communicate with you in a more mild way, instead of directly throwing a guideline at you. The fact that you simply wrote out SNG into GNG is a violation of WP:REDACT. You have made it clear that you have made a typo and you are in fact referring to SNG, and I am happy to see a continued discussion basing on your actual arguments. But I have also made it clear that we (or at least I) were replying to your GNG concerns. As I said, that was literally why I went for Strong Keep and where I was building half of my arguments on. The flow of the discussion now is completely twisted and it looks like we were mistakenly addressing something else, and no new editors would be able to follow up our concerns on the subject person already passing GNG. Yet, it was your typo to begin with, not us. I guess it is both part of a guideline and basic courtesy that if you wish to update your original comments, you may consider adding something like "(Typo edit: SNG)", instead just blatantly writing out. There is no point of discussing when others were making an argument, you just chime in and say "sorry, typo" to collapse others' arguments. Also, I do not think a DRV would be my concern. I am not really concerned about the fate of this article, because both a Keep or a Redirect would do in my opinion, and I am pretty sure this discussion would be relisted for at least another week with more editors joining and most likely would end up being a No Consensus. Therefore, to favour the future discussions for the upcoming weeks, I think a restoration of the typo is necessary. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Prince of Erebor Duly noted that your reasoning is basing on GNG as you have a different viewpoint i.e. the subject meets GNG in which I had also agreed on in the subsequent replies. Imo, there isn't any confusion happening as your replies and also Firezzasd's replies shows that your are stating that the subject meets GNG already in which my defence is on "what about SINGER and BANDMEMBER?" while there may be a typo however I don't see how this has affected the AfD overall since the replies made were constructive i.e. mainly "subject already met GNG", there is no hardline rule that states that editor(s) must only reply to the concerns (i.e. restrictly !vote and/or discuss around SINGER and BANDMEMBER) raised by the nominator. Hopefully, this explanation resolves any of your concerns made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paper9oll: My only concern was that I am afraid there may be confusion for newcomers, as they may not be aware that GNG was also discussed previously. I saw that you have listed the typo out to clear the confusion, and I think that is sufficient in my opinion. Thanks! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Prince of Erebor. Subject passes WP:GNG. Firezzasd (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Definitely passes WP:GNG, has 6M followers on instagram and searching her name up in Chinese gives you a ton of results, whether traditional or simplified. 48JCL^{[citation needed][dubious – discuss]} 20:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to (G)-Idle : per nom. Not independently notable enough as a singer in MOS:ROLEBIO per WP:SINGER and WP:BANDMEMBER Shenaall (talk) 07:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Formal Sigh edit

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I wasn't able to find anything other than mentions in reliable sources. For example, they're mentioned in this interview in The Quietus ("[...] says Gayna Rose Madder, one of the scene’s most forward-thinking artists with Shiny Two Shiny and A Formal Sigh") and in issue 313 of SLUG Magazine ("Both were in A Formal Sigh, which had the distinction of having done a legendary Peel Session before they split from that band"). Using Newspapers.com, I also found mere mentions from the period of the band's existence. The article was created by User:Markpeters, who has the same exact name as the bassist. toweli (talk) 06:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Only one reference present. Beside that, except a mention from BBC nothing else came up on Google. RolandSimon (talk) 19:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ann'so edit

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Doesn't pass WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Claggy (talk) 05:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV to establish notability. If sources are found, please ping me. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cold Driven edit

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Article about a band, not reliably sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The attempted notability claim, that they had a single peak #51 in the charts, is unsourced and has proven entirely unverifiable, and #51 is in no way a high enough chart position to constitute and instant notability freebie without adequate sourcing -- but the only source cited here at all is a (pporly written) directory entry, and on a WP:BEFORE search for other sources all I'm finding is their own hometown local paper and an alt-weekly, which isn't enough to get them over WP:GNG if it's all they've got. Bearcat (talk) 00:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dean Webb edit

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Doesn't meet the notability guideline. Knowledgegatherer23 (Say Hello) 21:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note to the closing admin. I would like ask please that if by chance the consensus leans towards deletion, we look at redirecting the page to Ivor Kirchin, Basil Kirchin as he was a member of The Kirchin Band for a year, having replaced the featured singer Rory Blackwell in 1957. Webb stayed with the band for a year and I believe sang on at least two recordings. He was involved with both Ivor and Basil. This would also preserve the history. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 06:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, there's a couple of good articles in the The British Newspaper archive. Unfortunately its pay so you can read thing. There's also this article with his picture below,
Disc, No. 67 Week ending May 16, 1959 - Page 7 THE BLACKSMITH WHO PREFERRED BEAT TO THE ANVIL CHORUS, Big break
I haven't got time to comb through the other UK music trade magazines and a lot of the earlier ones can't be word searched. So it's a case of having to go through all the content of this often faded but thankfully preserved historical music info.
I'm satisfied to call this a keep. Karl Twist (talk) 10:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Bombsters edit

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Article about a band, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The notability claim on offer here is that they exist (or existed, because a lot of the information here is very outdated), and the referencing is entirely to primary sources (music sourced to its own presence on iTunes or YouTube, etc.) that are not support for notability.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt them from having to have better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 20:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, definitely unnotable. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No coverage in RS and the band appears to have fizzled out. Their youtube channel only has 300 something subscribers... There is no news about them, other than a few places to stream their music. I doubt they were ever notable by our standards, even less today. Oaktree b (talk) 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Griffin Burns edit

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WP:BLP of a voice actor and singer, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for actors or singers. As always, neither actors nor singers are automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party reliable source coverage about them and their work -- but this is very heavily reference bombed to primary sources that are not support for notability (songs sourced to Spotify or YouTube or their own lyrics on Genius, acting credits sourced to IMDb, YouTube "interviews" where he's talking about himself, Facebook posts, etc.), with virtually no evidence of GNG-worthy reliable source coverage about him shown at all.
This is different enough in form from the prior versions that I wouldn't feel comfortable speedying it as a recreation of deleted content without a new discussion, but it hasn't built any stronger case for the subject passing any notability criteria than the prior versions did. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced better than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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sorry for the late response, been busy. i believe that Griffin's article does fall under notability due to him being cast in multiple significant roles in noteworthy projects (tartaglia in genshin, nate adams from yokai watch, Mule from berserk). Minmarion (talk) 03:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The notability test for an actor is not "has been in stuff"; having acting roles is literally an actor's job description, meaning that by definition every actor who exists at all has had acting roles and wouldn't be an actor at all if they hadn't, so quite literally every actor who exists at all would be "inherently" notable if simply listing acting roles were all it took.
The notability test for an actor requires reliable source coverage about him and his performances in real media, demonstrating that his performances have been independently verified as significant ones by somebody other than his own public relations agent. Bearcat (talk) 13:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:NOTABILITY is quite clear, an article must pass either the general notability guidelines, or a subject specific guideline. WP:ENTERTAINER states "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Voice actors, and others on the list there as entertainers, are notable for their work, not what others say about it. You can see how many episodes the characters he voices are in for each series listed, so these are significant roles, not a one time minor character. Dream Focus 23:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matteo Ciceroni edit

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Does not appear to meet the criteria for WP:NMUSIC or WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gul Wareen edit

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Disputed draftification. Moved to mainspace immediate after being declined and pushed back for further work. Since there is the potential for notability to be proven I suggest the outcome be to draftify. I have also nominated the picture currently featured since the licence is in doubt. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN as presented here. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: When I encountered this BLP, rather than immediately nom it for deletion, I decided to give it a chance by draftifying it. However, the BLPs creator Pashtonyar moved it back to the main NS after the review was declined. The subject does not satisfy the GNG as well NSINGER, and the BLP currently relies heavily on trivial mentions and ROTM coverage. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: per Saqib. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 23:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michalis Koumbios edit

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The subject is not notable. There are few (if any) reliable secondary sources; the single source used is apparently from 2006 and only available through archive.is. LoganP25 (talk) 00:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Freya Jayawardana edit

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this subject doesn't meet WP:GNG criteria and can't stand-alone (WP:NLIST) as a musician (WP:MUSIC and WP:BANDMEMBER). May this subject have to be redirect to List of JKT48 members page. Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 17:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. She may not be as famous like a Hollywood celebrity. However, she is one of the notable members of JKT48. WJetChao (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bass 305 edit

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Non-notable band. Fails WP:BAND. SL93 (talk) 04:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Explain the nomination, SL93. See WP:JNN under arguments to avoid and also WP:BEFORE. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 03:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did do WP:BEFORE. I already explained the nomination. Just read WP:BAND. I refuse to regurgitate the guideline. SL93 (talk) 03:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Poitín (band) edit

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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. The founder and main contributor of the site is apparently someone from the band and the page is more a self-presentation. FromCzech (talk) 04:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your thoughts. Do you have any suggestions to avoid it being deleted? Poitin31 (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious as well how to avoid deletion (I'm not a member of this band in case of any accusation of self-presentation). Kmarty (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Contreras edit

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I found mentions of the subject in reliable sources, but I didn't find significant coverage. The single reference in the article only verifies that Contreras worked with Current 93 and Baby Dee. toweli (talk) 17:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Op:l Bastards edit

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No significant coverage. Non-notable band. SL93 (talk) 21:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep due to Bio in Allmusic. Album review in NME, review in Allmusic, review in Sonic Seducer, review in Visions (which has a printed magazine). Small news piece in Billboard magazine. Single review in NME, another in Music & Media, another in Sonic Seducer. Review in an outlet I'm not familiar with. That's a start without even looking into Finnish media Geschichte (talk) 08:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Supersci edit

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Nominated by an IP user: Non-notable group, going by available sources. Both with its current ("Supersci") and its former ("Superscientifiku") name, the group is mentioned on some Swedish websites, but with very few exceptions (e.g. Sundsvalls Tidning) either these sources are non-reliable, or the subject is mentioned only in passing. GrabUp - Talk 18:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment In 2007, their "Pinetrees On The Pavement" (the song or the album?) was nominated (did not win) at sv:Manifestgalan (cannot link or the link disappears, for some reason). Source at Göteborgs-Posten here, and at Manifestgalan here. I doubt it's enough for actual notability, but it's something. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 20:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2011, their "Timelines" was nominated (again, did not win) at the sv:P3 Guld. Example sources, at Sveriges Television here, and at Sveriges Radio P3 here. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 05:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I've added three different sources that provide significant coverage. The article meets WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can’t check offline sources, but linked sources are not WP:SIGCOV.

1st source: Are only sayings of connected ones of the subject, no in-depth coverage of the subject.
4rth source: Nomination list of the award P3, I don’t know how much this award is notable. GrabUp - Talk 04:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1st source: I see what you mean, though the offline sources are more independent of the subject.
4th source: The nomination doesn't confer notability, but I thought it was worth mentioning since it was brought up in the AfD. AlexandraAVX (talk) 08:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found the third source (or at least an article about the same thing by the same author) online, so added it to the article if you want to take a look. AlexandraAVX (talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Najma Akhtar edit

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC Dowrylauds (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No coverage found for a musician, this appears to be a different person [21]. The sourcing used in the article now isn't enough to meet notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep in this reliable AllMusic staff written bio here it states that her second album reached No. 4 on the Billboard World Music chart and that another of her albums sold 50,000 copies in Japan. Some album reviews here, and here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Salman Muqtadir edit

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Sources are trivial (included in a list of other youtubers) and non-independent. One significant coverage is about his investigation by the police. No other significant independent secondary source covering his popularity as a content creator. - AlbeitPK (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Most of the sources cover the police investigating him. That is not enough to satisfy WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: An article that doesn't meet WP:ENT for inclusion on Wikipedia. While I couldn't find any clue in the former AFDs that I still hold deep breath of how it had survived two–three discussions. I am not going to base in any past whatsoever but here is the source analysis and final conclusion. source 1 is a primary source but it verifies the content as used in most of the articles like that per WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. Source 2 is good for sourcing but doesn't support the 'wife marriage'. source 3 is an obvious advert and interview making me suspect the credibility/reliability of source 2. Source 4 is unreliable, and source 5 looks like an advertorial unverifiable publication. Source 6, source 7, and source 8 contributes to a non notable controversy and I call it WP:BLP1E because the said event is not notable for a standalone article. [22] and [23] supports a non notable film and book, hence doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:NAUTHOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not a notable person Md Joni Hossain (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Previously I nominated this article for Afd and my view still same. There is no WP:SIGCOV and fails WP:GNG. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

San Jose Taiko edit

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While previously deleted for G11, this time the page has been written in a more encyclopedic tone. Unfortunately, there is just not any coverage that I can find. BrigadierG (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References to published academic work demonstrating the significance of this organization to the art of taiko in North America have been added, as well as national recognition from the NEA for the original managing director and artistic director of the organization. 31N2024 (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Coverage is in primary or non-RS. I don't find anything beyond them performing at various venues. This also appears PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has the nominator accessed the book coverage now referenced in the article which boasts of two books having 23 page coverage of this band? Atlantic306 (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ecko Miles edit

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I do not see enough evidence to establish WP:NMUSICIAN. Some sources are unreliably having a close connection to the subject, some are WP:ROUTINE coverages announcing founding of Daed Empire, most are PRs, announcing collabo or music release, etc. Fails WP:GNG in a nutshell. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep the subject meets some of the criterias of WP:NMUSICIAN for example the song he had with popular Nigerian rapper and musician charted major charts in the country as was cited in the article , also I would say it meets WP:GNG the sources used in the subject article are in line with WP:NGRS too, after thorough investigations I will say this the subject was not as notable as he was before the collaboration he had with Zlatan and odumodu blvck but that collaboration was what increased his notability and brought him further into the limelight.ProWikignome (talk) 21:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Meets WP:MUSICBIO due to chart position of his song. Hkkingg (talk) 00:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gemma Khalid edit

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Significance for WP:BIO is not visible.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 03:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added some references from the corresponding article in Russian. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lya Stern edit

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This article is mainly a resume. Most of the sources in the article consist of dead links from websites that are related to Lya Stern; the rest of the sources either have brief mentions of her or don't mention her at all. After doing a Google search to see if there were sources that could be added to the article, the only significant coverage I found of her was from a website that listed Wikipedia as a source. The rest of the information I found was from her YouTube channel and mentions of her from her students. As a result, she doesn't met WP:GNG or WP:NBLP. That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 20:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment One source via Newspapers.com goes into some depth. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (Weak) - There is a big gap in WP on instrumental performers who have created the American musical/movie music scene, and in general the encyclopedia is too quick to delete (especially for women and minority performers), but here I think the AfD is correct. The Baltimore Sun article gives a bit of notability, but the other sources do not. A blurb on the back of one's teacher's independently published book is not enough. There needs to be more and I could not find anything that led to more than what a local performing teacher would have. Glad to be proven wrong. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 08:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there is a staff written bio at AllMusic here and an album review here to go with the detailed Baltimore Sun article linked earlier by Hameltion. Haven't done a full search yet, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does Eudice Shapiro have to do with the subject of this article? That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 23:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just agreeing with That Tired Tarantula above -- @Atlantic306 you have linked to reviews for a different musician. If Lya Stern had an Allmusic staff bio, that would be relevant, but I could not find one. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 01:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, have struck my vote and comment. In my defence the erroneous AllMusic bio is the first reference in the article but I should have noticed, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom lacks coverage fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unverifiable claims of notability. doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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