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Tech News: 2024-20
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word
__EXPECTWITHOUTSCANS__
to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list. [1] - If you use the user-preference "Show preview without reloading the page", then the template-page feature "Preview page with this template (what's this?)" will now also work without reloading the page. [2]
- Kartographer maps can now specify an alternative text via the
alt=
attribute. This is identical in usage to thealt=
attribute in the image and gallery syntax. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive. [3] - The old Guided Tour for the "New Filters for Edit Review" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people. [4]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 May. It will be on all wikis from 16 May (calendar). [5][6]
- The Special:Search results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure. [7]
Future changes
- In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more. [8]
- Two columns of the
pagelinks
database table (pl_namespace
andpl_title
) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the newlinktarget
table instead (lt_namespace
andlt_title
). In your existing SQL queries:- Replace
JOIN pagelinks
withJOIN linktarget
andpl_
withlt_
in theON
statement - Below that add
JOIN pagelinks ON lt_id = pl_target_id
- See phab:T222224 for technical reasoning. [9][10]
- Replace
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Tech News: 2024-21
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. [11]
- New changes have been made to the UploadWizard in Wikimedia Commons: the overall layout has been improved, by following new styling and spacing for the form and its fields; the headers and helper text for each of the fields was changed; the Caption field is now a required field, and there is an option for users to copy their caption into the media description. [12][13]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 May. It will be on all wikis from 23 May (calendar). [14][15]
- The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It will change on 22 May in some skins (Timeless, Modern, CologneBlue, Nostalgia, and Monobook). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in all other skins. The developers are also considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.
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Tech News: 2024-22
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Several bugs related to the latest updates to the UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons have been fixed. For more information, see T365107 and T365119.
- In March 2024 a new addPortlet API was added to allow gadgets to create new portlets (menus) in the skin. In certain skins this can be used to create dropdowns. Gadget developers are invited to try it and give feedback.
- Some CSS in the Minerva skin has been removed to enable easier community configuration. Interface editors should check the rendering on mobile devices for aspects related to the classes:
.collapsible
,.multicol
,.reflist
,.coordinates
,.topicon
. Further details are available on replacement CSS if it is needed.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 May. It will be on all wikis from 30 May (calendar). [16][17]
- When you visit a wiki where you don't yet have a local account, local rules such as edit filters can sometimes prevent your account from being created. Starting this week, MediaWiki takes your global rights into account when evaluating whether you can override such local rules. [18]
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May music
story · music · places |
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Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
29 May 1913: The Rite of Spring - today's story, actually something I saw at that place in a revival. - Do you remember the infobox discussion 100 years after the premiere, often mentioned in the arbcase? - Today a user who returned after several years said that nothing changed. Would you agree? I wouldn't ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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Question from Gumbymma (02:42, 1 June 2024)
Hi, how do you go about creating an image to use for Wikipedia? Or is it only possible to use Wikimedia commons? --Gumbymma (talk) 02:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
This image is on Commons but can still be used on Wikipedia
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Tech News: 2024-23
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- It is now possible for local administrators to add new links to the bottom of the site Tools menu without JavaScript. Documentation is available. [19]
- The message name for the definition of the tracking category of WikiHiero has changed from "
MediaWiki:Wikhiero-usage-tracking-category
" to "MediaWiki:Wikihiero-usage-tracking-category
". [20] - One new wiki has been created: a Wikipedia in Kadazandusun (
w:dtp:
) [21]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 June. It will be on all wikis from 6 June (calendar). [22][23]
Future changes
- Next week, on wikis with the Vector 2022 skin as the default, logged-out desktop users will be able to choose between different font sizes. The default font size will also be increased for them. This is to make Wikimedia projects easier to read. Learn more.
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Question from Zahida parween (16:38, 5 June 2024)
Hi Ian from Pakistan and I want IVF treatment in low budget I have no money but I don't know what i do any solution send me please 🥺🥺 --Zahida parween (talk) 16:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – June 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2024).
- Phase II of the 2024 RfA review has commenced to improve and refine the proposals passed in Phase I.
- The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. T43351
- The arbitration case Venezuelan politics has been closed.
- The Committee is seeking volunteers for various roles, including access to the conflict of interest VRT queue.
- WikiProject Reliability's unsourced statements drive is happening in June 2024 to replace {{citation needed}} tags with references! Sign up here to participate!
Question from Tonkarooson (02:31, 5 June 2024)
Hello! My current mentor is away right now but I have a question that's really bugging me. I'm trying to add the list of lower alpha references(s) to my user page but I can't seem to find the correct template. I edit on the Wikipedia app and calls the [a] notes as "lower alpha (reference)", something like that. --Tonkarooson (talk) *new editor* 02:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Tonkarooson, you needed to use {{notelist}} to get the end notes to render, see this edit. Let me know if you need help with anything else, and happy editing! — Wug·a·po·des 21:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Question from Jazz Pack (09:27, 5 June 2024)
Hello! I'd like to make an article about a kinda obscure thing, but the only sources I can find about it are not independent. What do I do? --Jazz Pack (talk) 09:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Jazz Pack In general, if you cannot find sources that are independent of the subject, then it does not satisfy Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. There are a few exceptions depending on what the article is about. What article were you interested in writing? — Wug·a·po·des 21:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was gonna write about SAIKAC (Saudi Arabian Inter-Kingdom Activities Conference), which is organization between a bunch of international schools in Saudi Arabia to do activities like sports and music. Jazz Pack (talk) 05:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jazz Pack: You should read our inclusion criteria for organizations which would cover SAIKAC. The criteria aren't much different from our general criteria but it does give tips and suggestions specific to organizations like SAIKAC. Personally, it sounds like an organization that might have sources, but maybe they aren't in English. Do you know the organization's name in Arabic? If so, you should try searching for the Arabic name. You might also want to look at websites and newspapers that cover local news in the area where the schools compete. If you need help with either of those, you can look at Category:User_ar which lists editors who speak Arabic. Someone on that list might be willing to help you with that search. It's also possible that the sources don't exist yet, in which case you might want to edit the articles on the participating schools. Hope that helps, and be in touch if I can help more! — Wug·a·po·des 18:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was gonna write about SAIKAC (Saudi Arabian Inter-Kingdom Activities Conference), which is organization between a bunch of international schools in Saudi Arabia to do activities like sports and music. Jazz Pack (talk) 05:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Tech News: 2024-24
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The software used to render SVG files has been updated to a new version, fixing many longstanding bugs in SVG rendering. [24]
- The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It was changed last week in some skins (Vector legacy and Minerva). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in Vector-2022. The developers are still considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.
- The HTML markup used for citations by Parsoid changed last week. In places where Parsoid previously added the
mw-reference-text
class, Parsoid now also adds thereference-text
class for better compatibility with the legacy parser. More details are available. [25]
Problems
- There was a bug with the Content Translation interface that caused the tools menus to appear in the wrong location. This has now been fixed. [26]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 June. It will be on all wikis from 13 June (calendar). [27][28]
- The new version of MediaWiki includes another change to the HTML markup used for citations: Parsoid will now generate a
<span class="mw-cite-backlink">
wrapper for both named and unnamed references for better compatibility with the legacy parser. Interface administrators should verify that gadgets that interact with citations are compatible with the new markup. More details are available. [29] - On multilingual wikis that use the
<translate>
system, there is a feature that shows potentially-outdated translations with a pink background until they are updated or confirmed. From this week, confirming translations will be logged, and there is a new user-right that can be required for confirming translations if the community requests it. [30]
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Question from Tonkarooson (03:52, 7 June 2024)
pretty much all of the edits I've made consisting of adding K-Pop to the infoboxes got removed, most of them being said K-Pop isn't a genre. I think it is a genre. but to avoid biased opinions (which it isn't), I have a topic open for discussion named, "Is K-Pop a music genre?" I want a consensus on this, so how do I make this discussion more known to establish this consensus?? --—Tonkarooson (talk) 03:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi again Tonkarooson! Nice to hear from you. I would recommend leaving an objective and neutrally worded notice on WT:WikiProject Music and maybe WT:WikiProject Korea to alert interested editors to the discussion. Those seem like places where people with knowledge on this topic would look for notices. Before doing this, I recommend you read the policy on appropriate and inappropriate notifications of discussion. It has some suggestions for other places to consider posting, and some common pitfalls to avoid. After a couple weeks of discussion, get in touch with me and I can give my opinions on what if any consensus there is on the issue. Hope that helps! — Wug·a·po·des 19:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, how did I not think of the WikiProjects? I will definitely read that policy, thanks for all the help! :D
- I thought of another question. Is it possible to have more than one mentors? —Tonkarooson (talk) 23:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tonkarooson: I'm not sure how the interface works, but you're welcome to ask me (or anyone) questions as they come up. People are generally friendly and willing to help if you ask. — Wug·a·po·des 17:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Question from W.H.Nelson (10:09, 17 June 2024)
Hi Karnataka,
how do i start creating a page? --W.H.Nelson (talk) 10:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-25
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- People who attempt to add an external link in the visual editor will now receive immediate feedback if they attempt to link to a domain that a project has decided to block. Please see Edit check for more details. [31]
- The new Community Configuration extension is available on Test Wikipedia. This extension allows communities to customize specific features to meet their local needs. Currently only Growth features are configurable, but the extension will support other Community Configuration use cases in the future. [32][33]
- The dark mode beta feature is now available on category and help pages, as well as more special pages. There may be contrast issues. Please report bugs on the project talk page. [34]
Problems
- Cloud Services tools were not available for 25 minutes last week. This was caused by a faulty hardware cable in the data center. [35]
- Last week, styling updates were made to the Vector 2022 skin. This caused unforeseen issues with templates, hatnotes, and images. Changes to templates and hatnotes were reverted. Most issues with images were fixed. If you still see any, report them here. [36]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 June. It will be on all wikis from 20 June (calendar). [37][38]
- Starting June 18, the Reference Edit Check will be deployed to a new set of Wikipedias. This feature is intended to help newcomers and to assist edit-patrollers by inviting people who are adding new content to a Wikipedia article to add a citation when they do not do so themselves. During a test at 11 wikis, the number of citations added more than doubled when Reference Check was shown to people. Reference Check is community configurable. [39]
- Mailing lists will be unavailable for roughly two hours on Tuesday 10:00–12:00 UTC. This is to enable migration to a new server and upgrade its software. [40]
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June music
story · music · places |
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Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about a tune used by Bach and Mozart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it, which would have been better on 2 June, this year's first Sunday after Trinity. The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Question from Kavitha R Off (15:48, 21 June 2024)
How to create page? --Kavitha R Off (talk) 15:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-26
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Editors will notice that there have been some changes to the background color of text in the diff view, and the color of the byte-change numbers, last week. These changes are intended to make text more readable in both light mode and dark mode, and are part of a larger effort to increase accessibility. You can share your comments or questions on the project talkpage. [41]
- The text colors that are used for visited-links, hovered-links, and active-links, were also slightly changed last week to improve their accessibility in both light mode and dark mode. [42]
Problems
- You can copy permanent links to talk page comments by clicking on a comment's timestamp. This feature did not always work when the topic title was very long and the link was used as a wikitext link. This has been fixed. Thanks to Lofhi for submitting the bug. [43]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 June. It will be on all wikis from 27 June (calendar). [44][45]
- Starting 26 June, all talk pages messages' timestamps will become a link at English Wikipedia, making this feature available for you to use at all wikis. This link is a permanent link to the comment. It allows users to find the comment they were linked to, even if this comment has since been moved elsewhere. You can read more about this feature on Diff or on Mediawiki.org. [46]
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DYK
Hi Wugapodes, I've made a special holding area for the Olympics but WugBot throws a spanner in the works. Any suggestions how to ensure that it stays there? Schwede66 06:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Schwede66 The section needs to be below the standard special occasion holding area heading, but before the Approved Nominations header. Once WugBot encounters
==Special occasion holding area==
it treats everything as part of the SOHA and keeps it as-is until it encounters==Approved nominations==
where it starts processing nominations again. As long as the holding area is between those two, it should stick around. — Wug·a·po·des 20:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- Thanks for the explainer and thank you also for fixing this already. Much appreciated. Schwede66 03:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Question from Tonkarooson (07:04, 25 June 2024)
Hi again, my current mentor is still away even though that message went away lol. Here are the questions I had sent to him that I really want to know the answer to:
- Is it possible to have more than one mentors/have two separate people to adopt the same user?
- Do I need special permission or ask high rank editor to make pages that are not articles? —Tonkarooson (talk) 07:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Tonkarooson
- I don't understand what you mean by "drop box"? What templates have you been looking at?
- Formally, I don't know how those processes work well enough to say for sure, but informally yes most long-term editors have had many informal mentors so you're welcome to ask for support from anyone you like.
- Usually not. What kind of page were you thinking of making and why?
- — Wug·a·po·des 20:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- On the Wikipedia app, you can click on the infobox for it to be viewed but if you click it again it goes away and is smaller.
- Awesome! That's so great to know!
- Like redirects, archives, or having another page for my user page (eg. User:insert username/blah blah etc). I can just do those on my own? And why? Because of discussions about wanting to change the article name and adding a redirect page or redirects to the thing that isn't an article (eg. Fire Alarm (Lil Uzi Vert song), or Autistic).
- —Tonkarooson (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- (1) I don't know anything about the app, so I don't think I can help here. You might want to ask at The Tea House or The Technical Village Pump. (3) You can just make those on your own, but read the guideline on redirects first. Also, don't make archives or subpages for anyone without their permission because it is considered rude. — Wug·a·po·des 21:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Here's the template I was using: Template:Userboxes. —Tonkarooson (talk) 23:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- (1) I don't know anything about the app, so I don't think I can help here. You might want to ask at The Tea House or The Technical Village Pump. (3) You can just make those on your own, but read the guideline on redirects first. Also, don't make archives or subpages for anyone without their permission because it is considered rude. — Wug·a·po·des 21:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Update about Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Is_K-Pop_a_music_genre?
So it's been 2 weeks since our last discussion here.
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Is_K-Pop_a_music_genre? hasn't been active since 22:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC). And the link for the for the last message is this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#c-Tonkarooson-20240612224700-QuietHere-20240612000200.
Feel free to read that discussion on WikiProject Music. There hasn't been any messages about this on WikiProject Korea. —Tonkarooson (talk) 04:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi again Tonkarooson, I've taken a look a the discussion. The consensus seems to be that we should not refer to K-Pop as a genre. The first reason is that the K-Pop article itself is not clear on whether it is a genre. Even the most knowledgable writers on the subject cannot come to an agreement on how to define it, so it is too soon to make a firm decision one way or the other. The second reason is that similar topics like J-Rock have been removed from genre lists, so even outside of K-Pop there seems to be no agreement on whether "music from an East Asian country" is a genre. Based on the discussion, I would recommend you avoid adding K-Pop to genre lists for now. — Wug·a·po·des 20:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see.
- The article "Korean hip hop" says quote, "Korean hip-hop, also known as K-hip-hop or K-rap, is a subgenre of the South Korean popular music.". This page has a template mentioning that the article is written from the person's own perspective. I never mention this in the original post because I wasn't sure if it was good enough as evidence if K-Pop is a music genre or not.
- I also know of another discussion about this that isn't on Wikipedia.
- Well, I still think K-Pop is a music genre (reasons listed at the top of the discussion), but my opinion can't be used all across, so maybe a RfC could work, especially seeing how popular K-Pop is. —Tonkarooson (talk) 22:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tonkarooson: An RfC would not be a good idea right now. If you feel strongly about this, you should first do research on how reliable, independent, secondary sources describe K-Pop or the music industry in East Asia generally. This would require you to look at reliable sources that specialize in music. I'm not an expert in this area, but I would imagine some examples would be Rolling Stone or its East Asian peers. You might also look at articles in academic journals which study these industries. Without this kind of evidence, you will not be able to convince the rest of the community that you are correct. Sergecross73 and QuietHere both seem knowledgeable about music publications and general research. You should ask them if they know of any places where you could start your search. As a bonus, your research could help you improve the Korean hip hop page in the meantime. — Wug·a·po·des 21:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds great, and fun! But how exactly sources would find the correct answer if this is mostly about opinions and original research some? —Tonkarooson (talk) 23:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- On Wikipedia, we follow WP:V - we go by what reliable sources say. Original research is a problem when it comes directly from editors like you and me. It's not a problem when it comes from publications like Billboard or Rolling Stone.
- My two cents, as I think I mentioned before, would be to take much more time learning Wikipedia and how it works before pursuing this. This is bound to be a rather high level, contentious discussion. I'd work on learning the basics first. (No offense, but even though your account is 5 years old, you're just over 400 edits. That's not very much.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- So, what should I start first with, learn more about Wikipedia or what @Wugapodes had said?
- I had forgotten that I had a Wikipedia account. This is also easy to see I'm not a long time editor —Tonkarooson (talk) 20:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds great, and fun! But how exactly sources would find the correct answer if this is mostly about opinions and original research some? —Tonkarooson (talk) 23:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tonkarooson: An RfC would not be a good idea right now. If you feel strongly about this, you should first do research on how reliable, independent, secondary sources describe K-Pop or the music industry in East Asia generally. This would require you to look at reliable sources that specialize in music. I'm not an expert in this area, but I would imagine some examples would be Rolling Stone or its East Asian peers. You might also look at articles in academic journals which study these industries. Without this kind of evidence, you will not be able to convince the rest of the community that you are correct. Sergecross73 and QuietHere both seem knowledgeable about music publications and general research. You should ask them if they know of any places where you could start your search. As a bonus, your research could help you improve the Korean hip hop page in the meantime. — Wug·a·po·des 21:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)