Talk:2022 Alaska's at-large congressional district special election

Orphaned references in 2022 Alaska's at-large congressional district special election

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2022 Alaska's at-large congressional district special election's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "politics1":

• From 2022 Alaska gubernatorial election: Gunzburger, Ron. "Politics1 - Online Guide to Alaska Elections, Candidates & Politics". www.politics1.com.
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Mississippi: "Politics1 - Online Guide to Mississippi Elections, Candidates & Politics".
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in California: Gunzburger, Ron. "Politics1 - Online Guide to California Elections, Candidates & Politics". politics1.com.
• From 2022 Idaho gubernatorial election: "Politics1 - Online Guide to Idaho Politics". Politics1.com.
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Kentucky: "Politics1 - Online Guide to Kentucky Elections, Candidates & Politics".
• From 2022 United States Senate special election in Oklahoma: "Oklahoma". Politics1. 25 February 2022. Retrieved 25 February 2022.
• From 2022 Texas Attorney General election: "Politics1 - Online Guide to Texas Politics".
• From 2022 Vermont elections: Gunzburger, Ron. "Politics1 - Online Guide to Vermont Politics". politics1.com.
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Florida: <https://politics1.com/fl.htm
• From 2020 United States Senate election in Alaska: "Alaska". Politics1. Retrieved May 17, 2020.
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Texas: https://politics1.com/tx.htm
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Washington: "Politics1". Retrieved 8 March 2022.
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Missouri: "Politics1 - Online Guide to Missouri Elections, Candidates & Politics".
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Montana: "Politics1 - Online Guide to Montana Elections, Candidates & Politics".
• From 2022 Vermont gubernatorial election: Gunzburger, Ron. "Politics1 - Online Guide to Vermont Politics". www.politics1.com. Retrieved 2021-06-06.
• From 2022 United States Senate election in Vermont: "Politics1 - Online Guide to Vermont Politics". Archived from the original on November 15, 2021. Retrieved November 15, 2021.
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Iowa: Gunzburger, Ron. "Politics1 - Online Guide to Iowa Politics". politics1.com. Retrieved 2021-08-30.
• From 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina: "Politics1 - Online Guide to North Carolina Elections, Candidates & Politics".
• From 2022 Maryland gubernatorial election: "Maryland". Politics1. Ron Gunzburger. Retrieved January 11, 2021.
• From 2022 Wyoming gubernatorial election: "Politics1 - Online Guide to Wyoming Elections, Candidates & Politics".
• From 2022 New Hampshire gubernatorial election: "Politics1 - Online Guide to New Hampshire Politics".

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 16:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

This article's creation

Wikipedia is not a news site, or at least as far as we continue to be told in project space. Was there any real need to create this article before Dunleavy's proclamation? I couldn't help but notice that the article's creators are the usual gang of SPAs who specialize in excessively puffed-up content, often dubiously-sourced, about elections which haven't yet taken place. This means that facts and sources aren't settled. They never bother to stick around any of these articles once that is the case. Giving them such free reign to do this means that we are effectively creating a news site and not recognizing the difference between that and an encyclopedia. Gutting the article's content certainly appears to be justified, but it's insulting to look at a bunch of subject headers and templates containing no meaningful content. It's even more insulting to give this higher a priority than long-notable topics with long-settled facts and sources. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 22:57, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

But wait, there's more

John Coghill filed Monday morning. Curiously, I'm finding no coverage. I learned about it through a mutual friend on Facebook, which seems to be just as valid as some of the sources I'm currently seeing in the article (e.g. blog posts and tweets). RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@RadioKAOS: Forgot to reply, but there is news coverage for this, which I've added. Also, I don't see blog posts and tweets being used as sources in this specific article, which would be unreliable. —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 10:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

As far as my Google search of several minutes ago is concerned, the headline in the Anchorage Daily News reads "Gross, Coghill say they plan to run for Alaska US House seat". This story was published 16 hours after Coghill actually filed. While many of us are acutely aware of how far local newspapers have fallen from grace, this is not very "reliable" from a regional newspaper of record in a world where so many are obsessed with 24/7, up-to-the-minute news (with Wikipedia doing its best to play along).

Since you say "I don't see", I'll happily critique the sources and the development of the article in general. The first issue is the separate "Declared" and "Filed paperwork" sections. Declared according to whom? There's a severely abbreviated filing window and a recent browsing of the FEC website turned up nothing specific to this election. Without that verification, the "declaration" is solely in the mind of the individuals listed and/or journalists friendly to them, using the mere existence of reliable sources to justify inclusion. In other words, I could declare myself to be a candidate and it would be just as valid if I conned a media outlet into taking it seriously, even if I filed no paperwork. It smacks of WP:SYNTH to me. More importantly, the brevity of the filing window means the former section will cease to be of significance in just a matter of days. Quit being a slave to the same old MOS when it's not doing the topic justice. With that in mind, why are we creating a gallery for "declared" candidates but not affording the same courtesy to actual verified candidates, those who appear in the following section? Sounds promotional and a serious NPOV violation to me. The article is riddled with factual errors throughout, including those easily verified by actually reading the sources present in the article.

Now, on to the sources:

• Source 1 — While Fox News is nominally a RS, if one browses the revision history and talk page of Young's article, you'll realize Fox initially reported that Young died at the terminal at LAX, while everyone else reported that he died on the flight to SEA or was declared dead after the plane landed. It's being used solely to source the fact that Young died and there exists a ton of higher-quality sources for that.
• Source 4 — This truncated AP story says nothing that isn't already covered in source 2, the ADN story by Brooks and Herz. I suppose it would suffice if it were tacked on as an additional source, though.
• Source 6 — As I refer to above, this AP story published by the SF Chronicle is the same story the ADN published today. It appears the idea is to prove that the topic is receiving coverage from a broad range of sources, even if that coverage can be traced back to the same small handful of Alaska-based journalists. It's doesn't appear to be an effort to reflect the highest-quality coverage.
• Source 7 — The list from the Division of Elections was last updated on Friday. Brelsford filed but that isn't reflected in the article. Coghill is known to have filed but that isn't reflected in the list. There's no coverage about Revak actually filing that I could find. Which brings us to...
• Source 8 — Must Read Alaska is a "news blog", of which there are many in Alaska (The Alaska Landmine, The Alaska Watchman and Midnight Sun AK are other popular examples). There may be credentialed journalists involved, but they are considered blogs and exist to influence elections and the political process. As I recall, WP:RSN declared several years ago that subcommunities of editors simply can't declare something to be a reliable source without vetting it through them. As MRAK is used dozens of times throughout the encyclopedia, it's clear they're not doing their job in that respect.
• Source 9 — This story written by Herz mostly rehashes the earlier story he co-wrote.
• Source 10 — Move along, nothing to see here. The same as numerous other instances over the past decade of journalists prodding Palin for a quote about a prospective campaign which never materializes. We're supposed to treat this one as if it exists in a vacuum?
• Source 11 — Paywalled and not marked as such. Looks like there's statements which can't be verified without a subscription.
• Source 12 — Reads like an editorial and not a reporting of facts.
• Source 13 — Same as source 11.

Hope this helps. I saw multiple tweets in earlier revisions, and the same editors who've been adding such "sources" to elections articles for quite some time. I guess they've already been dealt with. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Rep. Young under candidates

Rep. Young was running in the regular election, not this special election that was created due to his passing. He wouldn't have contemplated running in a special election created by his passing, so I don't think he should be listed at all under "Candidates"(even if as decesased). 331dot (talk) 15:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

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The less I have to do with ANI, the better. However, it's obvious that some of you have been given free reign to do your own thing, escaping the notice of the community at large, for long enough. First off, people are showing their true commitment to NPOV by repeatedly inserting copyvio photos of Nick Begich and Al Gross into this article, all the while there has been a properly-licensed photo of John Wayne Howe on Flickr for nearly a year and a half. Now that it's on Commons, you still are going nowhere near it. I'll be as clear about this as I can: NPOV MEANS WE ARE NOT HERE TO PROMOTE CERTAIN CANDIDACIES SIMPLY BECAUSE MONEY IS BEING RAISED AND SPENT. That's how articles on current elections have been built on Wikipedia for years and years. Ridiculous. Secondly, this should have been tagged with {{Historical election article}} from the start. The fact that it wasn't further shows evidence of some people's true commitment to honoring Wikipedia's core principles. What was the point of adding names to this article in the beginning which are no longer present? Please answer in a way which respects WP:NOTNEWS and WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 20:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

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So.. Sattler or Peltola?

@Thomascampbell123: Many news outlets, especially during the campaign, say that her surname is Peltola, including her FEC filing and the Alaska Division of Elections. More about this at Talk:Mary Sattler#Requested move 17 June 2022 and section above, please join the discussion there. I just don't wanna cause confusion to readers looking for "Peltola" only finding "Sattler", including my map only having "Peltola" in it. —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 11:18, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

+1 Peltola: Sources on this article are using Peltola to refer to her, when using only last name. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 08:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I think that Sattler should by used unless both surnames are added to her Wikipedia page. Thomascampbell123 (talk) 00:42, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Ordering of Candidates

Hi all,

I'm new to Wikipedia, so I just have one quick question. How are candidates ordered, particularly in the section listing candidates who advanced to the primary? It seems alphabetical, and is this always the standard across wikipedia pages?

Thanks, Vergilreader (talk) 02:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)Vergilreader

Yes, lists of candidates in US election articles, and indeed election articles for many other countries, are usually sorted by last name. —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 06:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Gross withdrawal + Sweeney advancing update

While there's little doubt that Al Gross won't appear on the general election ballot. This AP article quoted a spokesperson from the Alaska Division of Elections saying that she was still looking into whether the fifth-placed candidate (currently Tara Sweeney) would actually advance into the general election and had no answer. Not to mention that Sweeney can/may be overtaken by another candidate, eg. Santa Claus, although unlikely. However, the Alaska Landmine that first broke the story seems to be very sure about the things I mentioned here. Thoughts? —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 04:44, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Stroopwafels, 02rufus02, and David O. Johnson: Courtesy ping to interested editors —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 04:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Can we add a note that while reliable sources have indicated Sweeney is likely to be on the ballot, the Alaska Division of Elections is yet to clarify if a fifth placed candidate may advance into the general when one of the top four vote getters withdraws? TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 05:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Added a note here to that end. Stroopwafels (talk) 07:43, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Ordering of Endorsements

Hi, I have a question regarding Sarah Palin’s endorsers. Shouldn’t we have Trump’s endorsement first before Haley’s? Or is this in chronological order? Cheers. -Conservative Alabamian (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

It is in alphabetical order by last name, so Haley comes before Trump. Cheers! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Round 2 results map

So it looks like we're not going to get any results breakdown by House district or precinct for round 2, ie. just a matchup between Peltola and Palin. If that's the case, should we keep it to the first round map only or should I add a simulated second round map based on uniform preference flows applied to all district (which might be speculative)? I'll make a first round results map by precinct soon. —twotwofourtysix^{(talk || edits)} 09:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Don't do a uniform flow map, that could be factually wrong, and even if it weren't WP:NOR probably applies. That said, I'm perfectly okay with general election's first round only results if second round results are not yet available. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 15:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

So I just uploaded the more official (?) second round map. Explanation's over on the file page, if you're ok with it. —twotwofourtysix^{(talk || edits)} 15:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Looks great to me :-) —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 17:06, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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Edit reversion of results table

@CX Zoom

You have reverted my edit to the results table. Please see earlier discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_election_in_Alaska#Total_votes_tallly for earlier discussion on the format of results tables for Alaska's RCV races.

Note in particular for this article, the "Election Summary Report" differs from the Round 1 results on the RCV Tabulation, so it is inaccurate to report the summary results as the round 1 results. If you have objections to this format, please bring them up at the other talk page (to keep discussion centralized) so we can reach a consensus. Thanks, 71.162.7.170 (talk) 16:51, 12 February 2023 (UTC)