User talk:Thincat/Archive 3

Thank-you for coming to the rescue

of the ill fated image

. Something nasty would happen if you looked at the picture, you'd get to seeJose Marti shot again. Since mine was removed another perfectly good picture has been used in its place. My shot was a scan of my slide (remember those?) and I could rescan it since you have gone through the trouble of making it legal. An act I appreciate. My rap sheet with the wikicopyright police - mostly concerning pictures of statues, but other stuff too (see the top of my user page for 1 winner and 1 looser) is long and convoluted. I am currently working on File:NewarkJustice1.jpg, yet another case of where the sculptor wants the picture used but that is not always good enough. If she fills out the reems of paperwork so that we can use it I'll probably write a stub about her as way of thanks. I have not yet got the hang of the 1978 date in US copyright stuff. Can you point me at a good guide to it? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2013 (UTC) Nice colour, red.

Someone I had never heard of sent me a red "Christmas card" and, since you were the first peson to contact me after that (sad, isn't it?), I see the red went and bled down into your message. I've cleared it up now.

http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm is what people use for US copyright information and Commons:Public art and copyrights in the US is a good description on Commons which also applies on Wikipedia. For whether a US sculpture has a copyright notice see http://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile= or look for an inscription that says copyright is claimed. You can only publish a photo of a sculpture in the US if the sculpture itself is out of copyright (but see Fair Use below). For work outside the US other considerations apply. For images on Commons of non-US work the relevant foreign laws also apply but Wikipedia usually only applies US law. For sculptures in the UK on permanent display in a public place (even indoors) a photograph is allowed even for work still in copyright.[1] Wikipedia (but not Commons) permits a discretionary amount of Fair Use.[2] "Paintings and other works of visual art: For critical commentary, including images illustrative of a particular technique or school" but it vital you provide a Fair Use rationale. I suggest you do not claim fair use for copyright free work because it will create more problems than it solves. Thincat (talk) 19:33, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Once again, thank you for your well presented reply to a continuing issue for me (US copyrights). Here is one image I posted that was not considered an copyright issue, but it might suggest that red is not a problem for me. I will look over your message with care, paying particular attention to the Cornell U stuff. Since I have not been to the UK since 1969 I have few pictures of interest from there. Carptrash (talk) 00:42, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I saw some other problems you were having with Henry Moore sculptures at Princeton. They had automatically been tagged as if they were in Britain for the illogical reason that Moore was British. Thincat (talk) 09:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

North British, Arbroath and Montrose Railway

I hope you don't mind, I have gone ahead and nominated this for a WP:DYK. See Template:Did you know nominations/North British, Arbroath and Montrose Railway. Simply south...... eating shoes for just 7 years 14:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's rather nice. Thank you. It hadn't occurred to me at all. I did once put TS Leda through DYK but decided it was fun to do once, but maybe once only! Having spent too much time on NBAMR I thought I wouldn't do much more until it has survived AFD (which it looks like it will). There is more to be said about racing between Caledonian and North British trains around Broomhill Junction. Thincat (talk) 16:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Whilst we are on the subject of the article, there are a number of bridges which cross ravines (such as Buckie Den mentioned) and could be considered as very short viaducts. Should these be mentioned? Secondly, there is an article in the London Gazette that mentions the company but gives a load of Acts. Are these important? This and this may be useful as well. Simply south...... eating shoes for just 7 years 17:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of North British, Arbroath and Montrose Railway

Hello! Your submission of North British, Arbroath and Montrose Railway at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Not a drastic problem but could the wording of the hook be changed? I notice you have clarified the relevant part of the article under the 'Montrose viaduct' section, as that had also been rather clumsily worded initially? I've also posted this on Simply South's talk page as I wasn't sure where would be best. Thanks! SagaciousPhil - Chat 16:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouraging interest. I have suggested an ALT1. Hope I have followed the right procedure. Thincat (talk) 18:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for North British, Arbroath and Montrose Railway

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Franamax obituary

Thanks for pointing that out. I've fixed the page so that all three links are still available. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 06:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Five Stones Church

Hi Roger,

Thank you for expressing an interest in the Five Stones Church article. It is currently up for deletion here. You are the only editor of the article who has not commented on the AfD, so I thought that you should be notified. Whether you believe the article should be kept, merged, or deleted, your comments there would be appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. I got involved because I disliked how you and the article were being treated. I saw the AFD at the beginning and felt that the references remaining in the article probably fell below the notability guidelines. I didn't check what had been removed but from memory thought they might not either, though there was no need to have removed them. Now, I wish we didn't have "notability" at all. I think it has developed into a monster and I sometimes am even brave enough to say at AFD that an article does not seem to meet the guidelines so we should not presume the article should be kept but in that particular case it should be kept. I have even known this approach to work! Verifiability is very important to me and the article is fine here and I would have it in my encyclopedia. I'll think more but I suspect I won't put my head in this lion's mouth because I have no doubt that it would be bitten off. BTW I recently remembered I had bumped into this guy recently at another Canadian AFD (I have no connections with Canada). He unsuprisingly voted "strong delete" and, I'm pleased to say the article was rathrer decisively kept!

I suspect the church, although Protestant, is not Anglican otherwise a merge to Anglican Diocese of New Westminster would work. What about New Westminster? It seems to be an offshoot of the US Truebridge Churches, whatever they are. WP doesn't seem to have anything and, warning, www.truebridge.org is flagged as virus-infected by Google and my browser so I haven't dared look! Best wishes. Thincat (talk) 20:54, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I really appreciate your encouragement and kind suggestions in all of this. The articles I create do not normally go up for deletion, and it is good to hear a friendly voice among the angry ones calling for deletion these past few days. I understand your desire to not comment on this particular AfD; it is looking like the deletion recommendation has a lot of support, so I'm not sure even if a merger would be considered. List of places of worship in Greater Vancouver would probably be the best target, but I'm hesitant to suggest it because that article is up for deletion right now as well, even though it is looking like it will be kept. In any case, thanks for making Wikipedia a friendlier place. I hope to cross paths with you again sometime. Neelix (talk) 18:40, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

If the argument is entirely about notability (and it is here) then that solely relates to whether we should have an article exclusively on this topic. There is no reason at all why the contents shouldn't be merged somewhere else. I raised a question here quite recently and I think I got a good reply (read to the end). Why not leave him to shout and, if it is closed as delete, ask the closing admin to restore it to you for incorporation in the other article? Maybe to combine several in a brand new non-list article? Thincat (talk) 19:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

disable caps lock

You can use the free program keytweak to disable or remap the functions of your computer keys. See this thread http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Computing/2012_November_1#Disable_broken_internal_keyboard.3F μηδείς (talk) 17:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC) I used it to disable my capslock and have never regretted it. Marvelous! μηδείς (talk) 17:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I have run that program and it does exactly what I had wanted. Better still, it is compatible with what I was running already, CAPshift, which has useful features not using caps lock at all. It can do things like turn highlighted upper case text to title case which is useful in creating references with capitals pasted in from a web page. I'm surprised that CAPshift, which runs all the time, can still re-enable and re-disable caps lock but that is perfectly fine as well. It is here if you are interested. Many thanks! Thincat (talk) 19:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I would love a feature that changes all caps into headline caps, i'll check it out. μηδείς (talk) 19:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Dog and Duck

That map alignment website is a great find, Thincat. I think a link in the article would be very a very useful addition. Also the article currently says "A new Bethlem Hospital was built upon the site and that building is now used for the Imperial War Museum" and I'm not sure that's strictly true, is it? We now know that the Dog and Duck was positioned where that strech of grass now is, to the west of the present day building. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, go ahead. I am just creating John Rocque's Map of London, 1746. Thincat (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Warden (talk) 07:58, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

See also Talk:Main_Page#Errors_in_the_current_or_next_Did_you_know... which reminds me of Politically Correct Bedtime Stories. Warden (talk) 08:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Wonderful! I can image "Daddy, Daddy, what's a whore?" being a problem but is "Daddy, Daddy, what's a sex worker" any easier to answer? I haven't checked but I think the whole phrase got put in quotes at the last minute. Thincat (talk) 08:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for John Rocque's Map of London, 1746

Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 08:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiAfrica

Thanks Thincat, also for tracing previous discussions. I am writing you for advice. I am not sure how to handle the situation. I asked advice to the Third Opinion because things have started with a disagreement between two users (ThurnerRupert and myself); TransporterMan suggested the COI noticeboard (because of the title of the discussion), where I put the reference to doual'art November 2nd. I received a reply by Justlettersandnumbers November 4th, who started the delation process for WikiAfrica template October 30th. I do understand that clarifications might be needed; what I do not understand is ThurnerRupert moving WikiAfrica article to a user page even if the page was already discussed for delation and decided to be kept (indicated as a minor edit), erasing only a section of the article of the Africa Centre because it refers to WikiAfrica, erasing only lettera27 in a list of institutions (I am just mentioning few of the edits which I consider deliberately focussed); Justlettersandnumbers edits are just in a similar period, before my notification to the COI noticeboard; later on Justlettersandnumbers refers to (I presume "my") COI for the delation of the WikiAfrica subpages. I find this coincidence and the entire situation unusual. My impression is that it is a personal attack meant to discredit me and - by doing it - to erase WikiAfrica from Wikipedia; the time coincidence looks like meatpuppetry and I consider the edits I mention by ThurnerRupert simply vandalism. The situation is even more complex because there are also offline relationships with ThurnerRupert. I did not contacted on Wikipedia users I know (I informed about the situation Wikimedia CH - Rupert and I are both members-and Isla Haddow-Flood who manages WikiAfrica for the Africa Centre and Anthere bacuase she contributes to WikiAfrica; Anthere decided to post a comment on my talk page) and I tried to be cool and follow carefully the procedures, but sincerely this is not a situation I can get out by myself. Sorry to grab you but finally someone is noticing that something is weird. I am more than pleased to provide any clarification but I would be really grateful for any advice or for bringing this up wherever is the right place to handle it. --Iopensa (talk) 22:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

@Iopensa: I came across a slightly similiar situation where someone from the Victoria and Albert Museum got special permision from them to upload images to Wikipedia but, when they started uploading, got met with a hostile response from some people. See User:VAwebteam and their talk page. I think the way we handle these things is dreadful and it must be very hurtful. As you may know there is currently a lot of fuss about public relations firms editing anonymously on behalf of their clients and in responding to that abuse we can get far too suspicious of even long-term contributors such as yourself. Seeing that Newyorkbrad intervened with WP:WikiAfrica presumably knowing some background,[3] I think he may be able to take an informed view, if he has the time. He has said he is busy this weekend. I think Anthere is sensibly keeping her hands scrupulously clean. I expect this is something that could go to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents but that will send the temperature sky-high. Perhaps better to see if NYB can do something or maybe he can ask someone else to do something. I'll keep an eye open and we can talk again if if needs arise. Best wishes, I hope something sensible will be worked out. Thincat (talk) 23:09, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

thank you Thincat. ThurnerRupert is directly involved in the GLAM projects (user:ThurnerRupert, swissGLAMour, glam outreach in switzerland) and he is active in projects related to Africa (it is online on mailing lists). I agree with you about the conflicts that GLAMWiki partnerships can raise, but I do believe this situation is not related to it; it rather wallows in it. If the discussion about the WikiAfrica template started November 2nd, i would see it as a reaction (COI noticeboard brings attention to the issue and people look at things more carefully - which is good and healthy); but it started 4 days before. thanks again and I will follow the development. --Iopensa (talk) 08:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I looked more last night and found out who who Rupert Thurner is.[4] This led me to List of museums in Switzerland where I found you had done a lot of editing which I have not followed up. I also found an interesting conversation here. There is clearly a lot behind all this which I do not start to understand. WikiAfrica is included at Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa but is there a reason it isn't a WikiProject itself? So far as I can see Rupert and Justlettersandnumbers are not connected at all. It looks like JLaN commented here and he is a frequent contributor to WP:COIN. I still find the removal of almost all reference to WikiAfrica and lettera27 to be extreme but I do not understand what has been going on. I am now thinking this is not an administrative problem but one of conflict resolution. Best wishes. Thincat (talk) 10:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

i don't know why WikiAfrica is Wikipedia:WikiAfrica and not Wikipedia:WikiProject WikiAfrica. The project was created on Wikipedia in English after making the project on Wikipedia in Italian; on Wikipedia in Italian it is Progetto:WikiAfrica (clearly a project) and it was created by some Wikipedia editors who are also active on Wikimedia Italia and who were interested in contributing to a new project focussed on Africa. Since the WikiProject Africa on Wikipedia in Italian (and in the other languages) has a focus on coordinating articles related to Africa, a different project was created for WikiAfrica because it had a broader approach which did not correspond to the existing Wikiproject Africa (outreach, different languages, online and offline activities, a different group of people, and later on a growing specific focus on involving GLAMs). The projects in the other Wikipedia editions followed this differentiation with WikiProject Africa and maybe the title Wikipedia:WikiAfrica instead of Wikipedia:WikiProject WikiAfrica was just a mistake. The project is quite active. I personally encouraged to move as much as possible the content on meta; I think it is easier to coordinate the project from there (in particular for the multilingual feature) but by contributing to content on Wikipedia in different languages - through time - we saw that having a WikiAfrica project on the different Wikipedia is helpful (for example in Spanish the community created the page to clarify what the project was about). --Iopensa (talk) 11:15, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Commons:VPC#Yuri Gagarin statue (UK)

I have replied to your comment. LGA _talk^edits 20:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your note to which I have replied. Unfortunately, I find many copyright discussions at Commons and ENWP so uninformed as to be largely irrational and it is better for my state of mind not to get involved in the polemics. Anyway, I have uploaded a photo which, although not as good, may suffice for the time being. Thincat (talk) 20:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Forth Bridge discussion

Thanks for pointing out the BBC News page and current discussion on the Forth Rail Bridge (yuch!) Talkpage. I didn't know that was taking place because it's not a page I watch. I've added my support for a renaming of the page. Kim Traynor | Talk 12:04, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

C'est la vie! Thanks to you I caught a glimpse of its transitory glory. Kim Traynor | Talk 14:16, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Profumo affair

As you were kind enough to add some comments on this article at its PR, you are invited to do likewise at its FAC, now open. Brianboulton (talk) 18:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I will but it'll have to be from someone with little experience of the featured article process. I'm very keen on referencing but I don't give a toss about ndashes! I've seen a lot of "your" articles on the way through, however, because I am one of the herd of armchair polar explorers. Thincat (talk) 18:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Photo Preservation Discussion

Thanks for weighing in on one of the deletion discussions concerning San Francisco Library photos of which I was trying to include in an article ( see link below ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review&oldid=595309322#File:Pacific_Street_Docks_Ferry_Boat_1860s_San_Francisco_LibraryCode_AAC-2278.jpg

I am once again involved in a deletion discussion while attempting to preserve 2 other photos from the San Francisco Public Library which they had give written permission to Wikipedia to use (link below).

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2014_March_1&oldid=597969556#Terrific_Street

Would you also care to contribute to that discussion as well? Thanx.James Carroll (talk) 12:52, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Eeeuuuaaaggghhh! If you're interested in rowdy taverns with contradictory illustrations, try Dog and Duck, St George's Fields, which I had quite a bit to do with last year. Maybe put the illustrations on your watch list?! Thincat (talk) 22:58, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• User:Stefan2 continues to target photos for deletion which appear in articles where I have made significant contributions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_March_1#File:Jelly_Roll_Morton_and_friends_.281918.29.gif

This time he want to delete a photo from before 1923 which has been used in multiple articles of Wikipedia for 9 years without generating a copyright complaint (link is above). His rational is that there is "no evidence that it was published before 1923."

BTW, the graphics are great in your Duck Baiting article. Wikipedia needs to realize that photos are a necessary asset to the survival of their website. Let me know when you're involved in a photo deletion review. If you’re not moving forward, you're falling behind. James Carroll (talk) 18:00, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		For suggesting the saga of a photo of Ezra Pound as an example of the problems arising from use of orphan works. We are using this as one of our examples in Wikimedia DC's comments to the Copyright Office! Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 19:59, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this. That's really good. It is a worthwhile photo that we know a lot about but the more that was discovered the more it seemed that no definite conclusion could be drawn. Thincat (talk) 20:37, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Something strange

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I've given them a longer holiday. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 13:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

That is one of the strangest things I've seen in a while. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 15:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK Nomination for R. Durtnell & Sons

The nomination is for the secondary topic for this article.

DYK for R. Durtnell & Sons

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:59, 4 May 2014 (UTC) 20:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 April 29

Having gone to the trouble of working out that I was the person that deleted it, did you not think it worth asking me why, before the discussion closed? --Dweller (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Well it hadn't occurred to me actually. I deliberately pinged you in case you wanted to join the discussion but often at DRV people don't want to. I hadn't anticipated the DRV would be closed so soon afterwards but I could have realised that it might happen. Looking at it now I can see that my attempt at a ping might look as an attempt to single you out. I certainly hadn't intended that and if I did gave that impression I apologise. In my view the trouble was caused at two ANI discussions a month or so earlier. Thincat (talk) 18:23, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't mind about being singled out, I just didn't see the ping, as I've not been active for the last week or so. There were some unusual issues around that page (I'm wearing my bureaucrat hat, now), but it's done now and I'm not keen to kick off another Streissand by removing what has been restored. Never mind. --Dweller (talk) 21:49, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Robert M. Bond

I made some additions and tightened up the sourcing, partly as a result of your perceptive comments at Template:Did you know nominations/Robert M. Bond. I thought you might be interested to see. It is so much preferable to have a paper copy of the book rather than using GBooks or Amazon. Thanks again for your trouble in reviewing it. --John (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I've now read it again and you've made a lot of changes. He was an accomplished man. I wonder if he was generally foolhardy (it doesn't seem so) or whether he just made a terrible mistake. BTW reviewing your article has started me using {{sfnp}} so thank you for that! I have been using {{sfn}} for a while now but {{sfnp}} is more harmonious. Thincat (talk) 20:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Norman Heathcote

Materialscientist (talk) 08:57, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Awsome!

I really have no business here, but I just have to say that your article about the 1921 British Mount Everest reconnaissance expedition is just awesome! :) I really enjoyed reading it. I stumbled upon it while checking out the talk page of Philg88. His page always attracts interesting things and since I'm a newbie I learn a lot just by hanging out there. And I pick up the occasional tidbit. Thanks! Best - W.carter (talk) 20:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

That's very kind of you indeed. I found reading up about the whole thing absolutely fascinating (more interesting, actually, than "did Mallory reach the top in 1924?") and maybe this comes through. I was really lucky to find such an unfilled gap in WP. Thincat (talk) 21:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Change to EB1911

Please see Template talk:EB1911#ref=harv -- PBS (talk) 21:17, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 August 16#File:Hearts XP.png

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 August 16#File:Hearts XP.png. Thanks. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 18:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

What does ref=none do ?

Hi there, thank you for your help at article Adrianne Wadewitz.

What does "ref=none" do?

Thanks again,

— Cirt (talk) 00:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

@Cirt: {{citation}} by default creates an anchor for itself so that inline references can link to it. See Template:Citation#Anchor. However, the two "works" I edited are not linked to from elsewhere in the article. This is not normally any sort of problem (it shouldn't be). However, for people like me who have error messages turned on you get great ugly errors such as These used appear for everyone until they were suppressed following a discussion, RFC or something.[5] Putting in "ref=none" removes the anchor and so also removes the error message.[6] Why do I have error display turned on? It isn't so I can go around making changes like this but it is because when I create an article I want to leave it clear of referencing errors to avoid other people coming to "correct" them and making other undesirable changes at the same time. Error messages are turned on with Javascript "importScript('User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js');".[7] Thincat (talk) 07:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah okay, thanks very much for the friendly explanation! — Cirt (talk) 11:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

afd

thanks for the quick catch; I've fixed it, (I hope, if not, please amend as needed). I have obviously been staying up too late. DGG ( talk ) 09:03, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VideoPad

Hi Thincat. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 September 28#VideoPad, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VideoPad. Cunard (talk) 00:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library - ScotlandsPeople - You've got mail

Hello, Thincat. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.—  Philg88 ^♦talk 11:15, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Graham Russell Mitchell

Hello Thincat, Just wanted to say thank you for creating the Graham Russell Mitchell article. I had been meaning to start an article, but have never seemed to make the time! Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 17:14, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I recently created an article on Jane Sissmore and Mitchell was an irritating red link. Thincat (talk) 17:37, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

MI5

Hello again Thincat, Many thanks for all your recent edits. My only problem is your recent edit to MI5. I am given to understand that Burke Trend's report on the Hollis case did not clear Hollis, but found the case against him unproven - a long way from clearing him. Chapman Pincher's last two books seem to confirm this. Your comment and advice are very welcome. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I think you are right – please change it or I will when I can get things clear in my mind. I merely added Mitchell's name and left unchanged the "cleared" claim regarding Hollis. I am re-reading Spycatcher (I dislike the book) and Wright has a lot to say about the investigation of Mitchell and he clearly concludes that Mitchell was not the mole. Nigel West thought Mitchell was the mole but no one seems to understand why he thought this, except to be different from Chapman Pincher. I have Christopher Andrew's immense book out from the library right now and it is very concerning how much he omits. I'm finding it very hard to accept what Andrew says in the introduction that very little is being held back any more. His account seems OK up to WWII but after that it come across to me as too much of an apology. Thincat (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. Very much agree with you regarding Christopher Andrew's book - far too much left out or glossed over. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget to add {{subst:ncd}}

Don't forget to add {{subst:ncd}} when you move a file to Commons, as you did with File:Aguja Saint Exupery.jpg. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll use your note to remind me which template to use. Thincat (talk) 11:41, 27 December 2014 (UTC)