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Speedy deletion nomination of Shadow network

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Signature

it would be great if you could change your signature per Wikipedia:Signatures#Appearance and color. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 18:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

If you are talking about my single blinking purple middot between "Contributions" and "Message", I don't see it as an issue. It is minor, minuscule, and well within the limitations of Wikipedia:Signatures#Appearance and color. I suggest if it bothers you, that you simply add:

*[style*="blink"] { text-decoration: none !important; } to your Special:MyPage/common.css and turn off ALL blinking text for you, not just my simple middot. Technical 13 (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

No. Editors should not need to adapt their system to avoid "look at me" signatures. Please fix your signature. Also, there should not be an external link in a signature, although I don't feel like checking what the guideline says about that at the moment. There are lots of things that should not be done, and guidelines do not attempt to list all of them. Johnuniq (talk) 21:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

One blinking pixel with well within reason. If any blinking what-so-ever is offensive to a person, they should shut off all blinking. My coding example above shows how to do it on a wiki.

P. S.: Among statistically noticeable browsers only Firefox supports blinking, and even there it may be disabled globally in about: config.

— Dmitrij D. Czarkoff, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Signatures/Archive_8#Simplifying_signatures

Basically, browser. blink_allowed=FALSE Technical 13 (talk) 14:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Something else made me wonder about the signature guideline, so I checked. There is a specific prohibition against an external link in a signature, see WP:SIG#EL. Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy where rules dictate exactly what happens, and there is no scope to claim "it's only a guideline". I see a lot of talk page commentary and do not recall ever seeing an external link in a signature—blinking and external links are just not part of the way things are done here. Johnuniq (talk) 05:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

That is fair, and I would be happy to fix the external link. Technical 13 (talk) 14:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

The external link has been removed as you can see in my signature on this post, but I fully intend to leave my one blinking pixel. You may wish to join the discussion I have opened about it on the "Signatures" talk page. Technical 13 (talk) 14:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Posting to user talk pages

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your recent talk page comments were not added to the bottom of the page. New discussion page messages and topics should always be added to the bottom. Your message may have been moved by another user. In the future you can use the "New section" link in top right. For more details see talk page guidelines. Thank you.

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button or located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you.

This is in relation to this edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:13, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I am adamant about signing my posts. I assumed by the way that the page at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is written requiring that I add {{subst:ANI-notice}} to satisfy the statement You must notify any editor who is the subject of a discussion. that the associated template would sign it for me. Apparently this is not the case, and the instructions to use that template should be re-written to reflect how to properly use the template or the template itself should be modified to properly sign all usage for the inserter.

Due to the above situation, I am at fault for not spending time to properly visit the documentation page of the template and using it properly on your page or any of the others. I apologize for this thoughtlessness of mine to consider inconveniencing myself to have to hunt down the usage of a template that is referred to on a page that is intended to resolve disputes and not create more. Technical 13 (talk) 16:29, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Fix your signature

I've read the discussions at AN/I and Wikipedia talk: Signatures. I see that several people have explained to you that the content of Wikipedia:Signatures#Appearance and color, which reads Your signature must not blink, scroll, or otherwise inconvenience or annoy other editors (bolded in original) enjoys a strong and longstanding consensus. I see no evidence of any incipient move to reverse this consensus. You are therefore out of line and you are beginning to become disruptive. If you wish to argue to change this consensus then you may, (though I suggest that you would be wasting your time) but you must do so only after changing your signature to conform with our norms. If I see you continuing to sign with any signature that contains a blinking character or image then I will block you pending a resolution of this. I do apologise if this comes across as heavy-handed, but we really all do have better things to do than fight this battle with you. Here's hoping you will move on from this and do something more productive. Best wishes, --John (talk) 17:26, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Nb Technical 13 has changed the signature and replied [1]. I hope this will be permanent. —Sladen (talk) 18:33, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to User talk:Talax. While objective prose about beliefs, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you.

You've left spam messages on a number of pages: stop.  Drmies (talk) 17:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

When creating new articles...

I have a couple tips for you based upon Not My Turn to Die: Memoirs of a Broken Childhood in Bosnia:

• Do not use a section header for the lead (or only) section.
• Do write at least one comlete sentence, not just a fragment.
• For an article about a book, try to find and include information about reviews of the book. Notability of books must be shown as for any other subject.

If you have any questions, please let me know! LadyofShalott 01:36, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd almost forgotten about that page. I tried to find reviews for it, but everything I found was copyrighted and I opted to not include it on the page. I'm not entirely sure that the image of the book cover I found is fair use, and you may want to review it as I would not to be cause of any action against the wiki. I'm an extremely person at the moment dealing with the separation process with a child involved and losing a loved pet. When I have some more free time, I will likely go back and write a summary or something on the page; I do worry that if I do that it will be reverted as original research and a waste of my time as it seems I currently have a group of admins that intend to harass and attack me at the moment. Technical 13 (talk) 02:04, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, yes, reviews are generally going to be copyrighted. You don't copy them into the article; you choose salient points from them and cite them. I'm sorry about your losses. I suggest you drop the stick on the signature business - that is not going to go the way you want. LadyofShalott 02:18, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Your signature

I see you've already been pestered a bit over your signature, but don't worry! – this is just a niggling minor little thing...

I notice your signature contains <span id="SigShoe">. Since each ID should be used no more than once on a page, technically you should post no more than once on a page using this signature. (Using an ID more than once is invalid HTML, though most browsers seem to handle it fine.)

To use your personal CSS to apply special formatting to your own signature, I suggest you use class= instead of id=. HTML permits a class to be used multiple times on a page. In your CSS, use a dot instead of a hash to refer to the class (i.e. .SigShoe instead of #SigShoe). Though since you've already used the ID in a lot of places, you might want to use both in the CSS (i.e. .SigShoe, #SigShoe), so you retain your personal formatting on older talk page posts. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 23:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

class didn't fit in the character restriction on my preferences page and it says that I shouldn't put my sig in a template and call that so I used id which was the best I could do with creating my own xhtml style attribute which I'm not sure would work... Technical 13 (talk) 23:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, right. So, to replace id with class, we need eliminate three other characters to stay within the character limit. How about changing the <span style="color: #FF00AA; "> part to <span style="color: #F0A; ">? The appearance will be the same. [2] – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 23:58, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I suppose I could do that; although, I was thinking of lightening the color to try and be a more pastel purple color from  (#FF00AA) to  (#FA88AF). Do you think the xhtml name would work? <span sig="Shoe"> and then css of

span[sig="Shoe"] { ...snip... }

Technical 13 (talk) 00:35, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

OH! Maybe I could change my signature to

— [[User:Technical_13|Technical 13]]&nbsp; &nbsp; ( [[Special:Contributions/Technical_13|Contributions]] <span class="BlinkingBull" /> [[User_talk:Technical_13|Message]] )

and my css to

span. BlinkingBull: before { text-decoration: blink; color: #FA88AF; content: "•";}

Technical 13 (talk) 00:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so my sig would have to be... and my css...

— [[User:Technical_13|Technical 13]]&nbsp; &nbsp; ( [[Special:Contributions/Technical_13|Contributions]]<span class="BlinkingBull">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp; [[User_talk:Technical_13|Message]] )

span. BlinkingBull: after { text-decoration: blink; color: #FA88AF; content: "•";}

Technical 13 (talk) Message ) 00:58, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Your final version looks fine to me! (Your first suggestion of using <span sig="Shoe"> would not have worked, because MediaWiki strips HTML attributes that are not on an approved list. <span data-sig="Shoe"> would work, but is even longer than using class=!) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 01:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Encylopedia

Why are you still adjusting your signature? For example, this edit changes a signature made nearly a year ago. The edit changed #1 to #2:

1. [[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]] ([[User talk:Technical 13|talk]]) 23:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
2. <span class="ShoeSig">— [[User:Technical_13|T13]]   ( [[Special:Contributions/Technical_13|C]] • [[User_talk:Technical_13|M]] • [[User:Technical_13/Sig|Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ]])</span> 23:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

The resulting signature (minus the four links) is:

— T13 ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 23:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

That signature gives no indication of understanding that this is an encylopedia where editors should be discussing how to improve articles, and should not be spending time wondering why someone has Click to learn how to view this signature as intended in their signature. That link goes to a page that is nothing to do with the encyclopedia, via a redirect.

Quite a lot of disruption occurred due to your previous signature, as seen at WT:Signatures#Blinking and Other Signature Customizations.. Any reading of that section shows that people were getting quite exasperated, yet just a couple of hours ago you made this edit to change the WP:SIG guideline to allow transclusions like {{User:Name/sig}} in a signature. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and editors who waste other people's time with unhelpful ephemera are regarded as WP:NOTHERE and are encouraged to spend their time at other websites. Johnuniq (talk) 19:25, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I've spent quite a bit of time to make my signature conform to all of the rules. The Click to learn how to view this signature as intended in my signature is to allow people to see my signature as I originally wanted it and satisfies User:Kusma's statement on Wikipedia talk:Signatures#Blinking and Other Signature Customizations.: "However, I would not mind if you write a custom CSS that makes your signature blink for those who want it (it must be off for anyone who is not logged in, not only for those who take active measures)" and is permitted as it is not disruptive within the limits of WP:SIG#DL.Technical 13 (talk) 19:52, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello there

Hello Technical 13, Eduemoni↑talk↓ has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni↑talk↓ 03:43, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Iapprove

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Don't test things in article space

I know you undid your edit to Loveeeeeee Song, but please don't do that again. You can use your sandbox to test editing in. — Hex (❝?!❞) 14:36, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Testing that in my sandbox wouldn't have worked because it was a caching issue specific to that page (and others that had not had purged caches like it) having to do with being in C: Articles with no/broken ref tags or something like that. If it is something I can test in my SandBox, I usually do. ;) Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

If you have a problem that appears to only exist in article space, ask about it on the technical pump. Never, ever, make test edits in article space. Okay? — Hex (❝?!❞) 15:32, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh, so editors aren't allowed to make null edits or dummy edits on Wikipedia.. Got it. Technical 13 (talk) 16:24, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Null edits do not leave any evidence in the article history. dummy edits are discouraged. Werieth (talk) 16:32, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

This is not a dummy edit, and it is certainly not a null edit. — Hex (❝?!❞) 18:45, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

VPT

I added a span tag to make the watchlist link work. Werieth (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki Markup Language listed at Redirects for discussion

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Yes, it's me again. Nothing personal - it's just that having had a look at your recent contributions, there are several things that need addressing. — Hex (❝?!❞) 15:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment

Hey Technical 13; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Roman2dec

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Nomination for deletion of Template:SupportSection

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As I point out at the TfD, you recreated your earlier template under this new name within two minutes of requesting speedy deletion for the first one. With this, following the argument you had earlier about your signature, and this signature-related dispute you had, I am starting to think that you are not here to build a encyclopedia.

This is a warning: if your behavior here becomes disruptive, you will blocked from editing. — Hex (❝?!❞) 19:18, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I am here to build an encyclopedia, it is just getting harder and harder to do when people keep taking my tools away. It's like saying, "I want you to build me a regular standard wooden house, but you can't use lumber, hammers, nails, screws, or glue. " My intentions here ARE of good faith, for the development and growth of the wiki. I don't mind building and working on pages, and I LOVE to manufacture useful tools to make the job easier. The dispute about my signature came to me, and quite frankly I still think it was biased and I was unfairly treated by the administrators that I was attempting to discuss it with but they didn't want to discuss and give fair resolution. So, I have to suffer with inconvenient unicode that fails to load, shadowing of text, userpage links that in no way resemble the user name they go to, etc but was still forced to remove a • that blinked in a color that was 2.28:1 contrast ratio which means it blends in and a good number of people can't hardly see it anyways if their browser knows how to blink in the first place. I digress on the matter. I removed it from my signature, created a page to allow people to modify there display to see what I see, and linked to it in my signature as is allowed by WP:SIG#DL. I've responded to your most recent set of nominations to basically delete everything by me just because I made it. Technical 13 (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Not because you made it. Because you didn't need to make it, and when you did, you made it poorly. — Hex (❝?!❞) 22:04, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Card of Thanks

Thank you for the hint you provided at the village pump. I still don't know why it works one way on Wikipedia and differently on my wiki, but I don't really care as your response let me to the right path and from there I was able to stumble my way to the answer. Thank you. RiverStyx23{_submarine^target} 17:25, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Follow-up

Hey, Technical 13. Please ping me back after you've had an opportunity to look over Template:Infobox NFL player. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

File source problem with File: UMA-logo.png

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I've added the source; however, due to the content of the logo, it is not eligible for copyright alone because it is not original enough, and thus the logo is considered to be in the public domain. Technical 13 (talk) 19:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse host

HI! Great suggestion for the Teahouse host profiles, I made the change permanent in the templates. Much better! Than you, :) heather walls (talk) 23:13, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

What did I do now? I'm confused, what did I suggest? LOL Technical 13 (talk) 23:27, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead and change it (per your edit summary). This is how I originally intended it but I started liking the smaller white box as well. Thanks!! heather walls (talk) 23:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if I mentioned this (I'm sure I did, I've got it everywhere on my User page and in my lounge/landing description), I love improving templates and writing logic scripting/code. Technical 13 (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

For your work with that new editor at the Teahouse

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For going above and beyond the call of duty in helping an editor rescue their deleted article at the Teahouse, I give you this "Random Acts of Kindness" Barnstar. Jayron32 18:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Richard France/sandbox

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Speedy deletion nomination of Richard France/sandbox

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Chess PGN Viewer: build from scratch vs. adapt kipod's thing

I'm totally going to regret asking this, but is there a reason why you want to build a chess viewer thing from scratch rather than adapting/fixing kipod's one? You're obviously a very skilled programmer and perfectly capable of doing things on your own. I just wonder whether that's the best approach here. Mattj2 (talk) 07:31, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

No reason in particular. I just can't see the current one very well with the chosen color scheme and being that I'm not "REALLY""REALLY" into chess, it is hard for me to follow who's doing what... Technical 13 (talk) 12:35, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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