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Sultans of Oman

Hi, you keep removing images of the Sultans of Oman page. Because they are 'non-free'. But, they are already being used on the respective pages of those two sultans. Why is it's supposed non-free status not an issue there? If they can be used there, why not the list too? Vince (talk) 10:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Darthvincor: Those images are uploaded to be specifically used at articles about those two sultans. Its not recommendable to use them at some other articles, including the list of sultans. --Sundostund (talk) 15:49, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge

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On officeholder tables

Listen my only demand are that the table is in that order:

            |    Name     |           Term of office                      |
No.|Portrait|(Birth–Death)|Election|Took office|Left office|Time in office|

do you agree on terms yes or no i need a straight answer also i removed part of your message because i can't differentiate your messages and Skjoldbro i will delete the section in my talk page and rename it officeholder tables if there is further discussion

1979–80 Shia uprising in Iraq

Hi, due to your interest in Middle Eastern history, you are welcome to contribute to the newly created 1979–80 Shia uprising in Iraq article.GreyShark (dibra) 12:40, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Greyshark09: Hello! Thank you very much for your invitation. I will change something in that article if I find it necessary. Same applies to all articles related to the Middle East in general. Cheers! --Sundostund (talk) 14:34, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

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Image copyright issue

You added the image File:Václav Nosek (1892-1955).jpg, which is just one year too late to have been in the public domain in Czech Republic on the URAA date (1 January 1996). (See the Commons template commons:Template:PD-Czechoslovakia-anon). It would be nice if Commons enforced its policies and kept out images that weren't PD-US, but unfortunately it can't be relied on. I've removed the image, but just please try to double-check copyright status in future. buidhe 20:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 Serbian parliamentary election

Hello Sundostund. Funnily enough I was actually planning to send you a message yesterday about this article with a query about which parties were actually boycotting it, as none of the boycotting stuff in the article is actually sourced. Currently we only have the SzS coalition and Civic Platform in the infobox (i.e. parties currently with seats) as boycotting – is this correct? Also, the infobox is six seats short of the total of 250 – do you know what partie(s) or independents hold the other six seats? Cheers, Number 57 12:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: As it currently stands, pretty much only the SzS coalition is "firm" on the boycott issue (with rumors that some individual parties in the coalition are actually reconsidering that stance)... As for the missing six seats, they are occupied by independent MPs, former members of several different parties and coalitions. In that regard, Serbian politics can be very chaotic at times. --Sundostund (talk) 00:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Ha, it certainly seems so. Thanks for the response! Number 57 08:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: Thank you for asking me for input... Actually, I planned to message you and ask for help on 2020 Vojvodina provincial election, which I created some days ago. I would appreciate if you somehow can improve that article, its infobox and make other changes you see as necessary. --Sundostund (talk) 01:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Jamai Palace nominated for DYK

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Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Favour

A favour to ask in return. I'm trying to create a list of the first female MPs from each country. My guess is that in the case of most of the former Yugoslavian countries, the first women would have been elected in the 1945 Yugoslavian parliamentary election, in which 11 women were elected to the Federal Assembly and nine became members of the Assembly of Nations (was this directly elected or indirectly elected by the parliaments of the constituent republics?). However, I have not been able to find a list of those elected. Is there any chance you know where I can find a list of those elected, and which republic they represented? Cheers, Number 57 20:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: Yes, women in Yugoslavia were granted the right to vote in 1945, so your assumption about women being elected in the 1945 election is right. As far as I know, upper houses (including the Assembly of Nations) of post-1945 Yugoslav parliaments were almost always indirectly elected by the parliaments of the constituent republics... As for the list of female MPs elected in 1945, I really thought about where their names could be listed, but I really don't know, as of now. My best guess is that, somewhere online, must exist a full list of MPs (male and female)... I'll keep surfing online, and if I find some credible source about it, I will notify you for sure. --Sundostund (talk) 23:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Super, thanks! Number 57 08:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for 1978 Somali coup d'état attempt

On 28 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1978 Somali coup d'état attempt, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a 1978 coup d'état attempt sought to remove Somali president Siad Barre (pictured), who himself had come to power in a coup a decade earlier? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1978 Somali coup d'état attempt. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 1978 Somali coup d'état attempt), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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	thanks for changing the equatorial guinea president list i would have done myself but since you did it you saved me a lot of time thank you Friendlyhistorian (talk) 11:15, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

About the "Numero" symbol (№)

sorry i did not know it was forbidden i will change it i saw it in List of prime ministers of Czechoslovakia and i thought it was ok again i am sorry

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Hi. Please update wikipedia article "List of Prime Ministers of Lebanon". because Prime Minister Hassan Diab has resigned. Syed Zain Ul Abideen Bukhari (talk) 15:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

List of prime ministers, etc.

If you notice this range resuming disruptive editing after a month, feeling free to leave a note on my talk page and I'll reblock for a longer duration. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 22:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie: I most certainly will notify you if needed... Also, as it seems to me, that range is closely connected to User:李瞬生. Their edit patterns are pretty much the same. Maybe you want to look more closely into that. — Sundostund (talk) 02:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, I have to admit that I'm not exactly clear on what the issue is with the changes they are making. Are some good and some bad? For example, this edit fixes a couple of MOS issues and at least one spelling mistake, and shuffles things around a bit. This edit, on the other hand, makes the list more confusing (addition of unsourced "acting" PMs in table, etc). I blocked that IP range because it appeared that a number of editors were reverting those additions. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:32, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie: Honestly, I am not sure at all what they try to achieve with most of their edits. IMHO, most of it is disruptive editing, naturally with some exceptions... I really wanted to notify you about that editor and let you decide on further actions, since it doesn't make much sense to me to block a range and then leave unblocked an account which clearly use that range. They obviously share the same edit pattern. — Sundostund (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Czechoslovakian presidency

You mentioned the office of president was de facto abolished on 20 July 1992 but that was only the resignation of Havel. (See here for the source we use at Václav Havel#Presidency: NYTimes link.) I can't find any sources saying that the office was already abolished as opposed to 1 January 1993. Altanner1991 (talk) 13:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

@Altanner1991: After the resignation of Havel, the presidency remained vacant for the remainder of the country's existence, so yes – it was de facto abolished with Havel's departure. No new President was named after Havel, so I see no point in extending the period in question until January 1993. — Sundostund (talk) 18:14, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

That's original research; the correct date is 1 January 1993. Altanner1991 (talk) 18:19, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I have to disagree. IMHO, we sometime should use logic in editing Wikipedia, instead of just jumping to declare it as original research. Still, I find this issue too much trivial to dwell into it for much longer, so if its so important to you, feel free to modify dates in question at List of presidents of Czechoslovakia and List of prime ministers of Czechoslovakia. — Sundostund (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your flexibility; I will leave it alone because it is a controversial issue. Best, Altanner1991 (talk) 18:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Sincerely advise

Are you a wiki vampire? Why are you so keen on imposing your own opinions and ignoring others?

--李瞬生 (talk) 11:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@李瞬生: If I am on your place, I would try to use some of advises you received here (which you promptly deleted from your talk page), instead of advising others... As for myself, I am doing here what I think is best since 2010, and I plan to continue doing so. As always – with collaboration and consensus with other editors who are here to improve things, instead of engaging in disruptive editing and similar activities. Everything best to you, — Sundostund (talk) 21:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

You seem to like meaningless editing of items. Do you like to find fault? Just as you arbitrarily delete Emmanuel III from the list of Ethiopian monarchs, it is a move that ignores basic historical facts.--李瞬生 (talk) 李瞬生 (talk) 10:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@李瞬生: I seem to have my own interests in editing here, and I am sticking to those interests. Whether other editors find them as important or meaningless, its totally up to them. As for the Ethiopian article, when you look at its revision history, its more than obvious that I am not the only editor who removed Victor Emmanuel III and the whole Italian occupation from that list. For the matter of truth, I was the one who reverted that removal (and not just once) because it seemed logical to me to have the 1936–1941 period as part of that list. When I gave more thought to it, I find it ludicrous to have a period of foreign occupation included there, especially when its widely accepted that Haile Selassie was the only legitimate Emperor from 1930 until 1974, without interruption. Again, everything best to you, — Sundostund (talk) 03:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Commander

Hey, I have tried to make a page for the Commander of the Yugoslav Navy, but I'm not really an expert on the subject and can't find many sources. Maybe you can have a look at it, if you have the time. Skjoldbro (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Skjoldbro: I think that you did a great job on it so far (as you generally do on your articles). I am not quite an expert on that subject as well, but I can have a look at it at some point in time... I think its possible that you'll have a better luck at sources if you decide to create Commander of the Yugoslav Air Force; I think that subject is somewhat better covered than the Navy. — Sundostund (talk) 17:16, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Template:Commanders of the Iranian Armed Forces

Hi. I think merging Template:Chiefs-of-Staff of the Iranian Army and Template:Commanders-in-Chief of the Iranian Army to that template added by Commanders-in-Chief and Chiefs of the General Staff is not a good idea, because it is against what Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Navigation templates says. Templates should include coherent and consistent subjects, not mixing up irrelevant things to mislead readers. "Commanders of the Iranian Armed Forces" is an ambiguous and generic title. I assume the difference between a commander-in-chief –the country's head of state–or a strategic-level commander (e.g. Chiefs of the General Staff) is pretty obvious. In case you are not familiar with the roles, they are different levels of leadership, the first is only involved in political leadership, the second is responsible for strategic affairs and does not engage in responsibilities such as in-the-field commanding of the troops, while the third does:

• Commander-in-Chief
  • Chief of the General Staff
    • Commander of the Army

Even Chiefs-of-Staff and Commanders-in-Chief of the Iranian Army are different roles with different responsibilities. Please revert your changes and let the templates be separate from each other. Pahlevun (talk) 13:41, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: When I created that template, it seemed perfectly natural to me to merge the various levels of command of the Iranian military in the same place. Nothing in it seems to me as "mixing up irrelevant things to mislead readers", on the contrary – my intention was to make the subject more presentable and easier to navigate, instead of having it separated in several different templates. I am still of the same opinion, and really have no intention or desire to split the templates once more. I am sorry because you disagree, but when I did it, it really seemed as a perfectly logical decision to me. — Sundostund (talk) 14:08, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

It may be easier to navigate, but it is ambiguous and misleading, which is against the criteria "All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject" at templates guidline. Templates are not meant to mix up irrelevant things. No such template exists for other countries on Wikipedia. Moreover, you have made this change to tens of articles without discussion. Pahlevun (talk) 14:13, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: I don't see it as ambiguous and misleading, since all of it covers the same or very similar subject (Iranian command structure), instead of merging irrelevant things. I am sorry, I just don't see this issue in the same way as you. — Sundostund (talk) 14:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

You had not started a discussion for this huge change in this long-standing content. With all due respect, I am going to revert you. Build a consensus for your proposed changes. Pahlevun (talk) 14:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: My proposal would be for you to edit the template, and remove form there what you see as unacceptable, instead of just revert everything... When I created that template, it didn't even remotely occur to me that somebody might be so much opposed to it. I did it with the best possible intention, and if others here see it as something so much negative, like you do, they are more than free to get rid of it. This place is founded on consensus, and I have no problem with that. — Sundostund (talk) 14:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I really don't suspect your good intentions. What you did is like putting Donald Trump, Joseph Dunford and Charles Q. Brown Jr. in a Template:Commanders of the United States Armed Forces. It doesn't work like that simply because they hold different offices with different responsibilities, and they are not a single, coherent subject for one template. The Iranian Armed Forces had undergone drastic structure changes since 1906, which this template tends to cover: Literally no "Armed Forces" existed before 1925, and after 1979, Iran has developed a new military formation parallel to its original military (the IRGC) with more recent changes made in 1989 and 1998. This template blends all the boundaries between these offices. Pahlevun (talk) 15:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: If that is the case, my idea is to separate the commanders-in-chief to a separate template, and leave only the professional officers (de facto heads of the military) in the template that I created, as well as chiefs of the General Staff. That may address the issues you are concerned about. — Sundostund (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I picked some templates up. Based on Template:US Army Chiefs of Staff, we can create something like this:

The result is a merger of Template:Chiefs-of-Staff of the Iranian Army and Template:Commanders-in-Chief of the Iranian Army. The title is no longer ambiguous, and though the offices are not the same, there's a slight coherency. I'd say the position is in no way akin to Chief of General Staff, which is a new formation created in 1989 and leads both Artesh and the IRGC. Pahlevun (talk) 18:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: Firstly, I am sorry for responding as late as this to your message, I had to deal with a family emergency yesterday. Secondly, your proposed template seem very satisfactory to me, and is more than good basis for solving this issue. I always believed that Chiefs-of-Staff and Commanders-in-Chief should be merged in the same template; that was one reason why I created the disputed template (the subject of this discussion). Basically, my intention was to create an Artesh equivalent to the existing Sepah template – Template:IRGC commanders, and merge the commanders of Artesh in the same (or similar) way. I think that template should be an example how we can create an unified template for the regular military... As I said, the template you proposed here is a good way forward, and I think, in that case, that separate templates should exist for Commanders in Chief (heads of state) and Chiefs of the General Staff. — Sundostund (talk) 12:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

No problem, I hope you and your family are safe and sound. It seems that this is regular in templates, Template:Chief of the General Staff and Template:First Sea Lord are other examples. I am happy that you agree on this. Pahlevun (talk) 13:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: Yes, we are fine. Thank you a lot for your concern! From my perspective, beside your proposed template, we really can have separate templates for Commanders in Chief (heads of state) and Chiefs of the General Staff, but we should try to follow the example of Sepah (Template:IRGC commanders), and find a way to expand the template which you proposed. — Sundostund (talk) 13:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

A new template that could be used, is this:

It is based on Template:Leadership of the NZDF. I didn't get your suggestion, is it merging Template:Commanders of the Iranian Army's Air Force, Template:Commanders of the Iranian Navy, Template:Commanders of the Iranian Army's Air Defense Force and Template:Commanders of the Iranian Army's Ground Forces into one? Pahlevun (talk) 14:56, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: Well yes, my idea is to base the new template on Template:IRGC commanders, which would mean merging the commanders of separate military branches and overall commanders of the armed forces (Chiefs-of-Staff and Commanders-in-Chief) into one template, as well as having two additional templates for Commanders in Chief (heads of state) and Chiefs of the General Staff. The IRGC template is, pretty much, a good example of what I tried to do by creating this disputed template. — Sundostund (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

That would make a very gigantic template because unlike the IRGC, Artesh has had many commanders since 1925. It seems for other countries each office has a separate template, for example: India (Template:Chief of the Naval Staff (India), Template:Chief of the Army Staff (India), Template:Chief of the Air Staff (India)), Germany (Template:Inspectors of the German Army, Template:Inspectors of the German Air Force, Template:Inspector of the Navy), Canada (Template:Commander of the Canadian Army, Template:Commander of the Royal Canadian Air Force, Template:Commander of the Royal Canadian Navy). Pahlevun (talk) 16:06, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: That is a valid point; then we should focus at merging overall commanders of the armed forces (Chiefs-of-Staff and Commanders-in-Chief) into one template, a model of which you already proposed, and creating two separate templates for Commanders in Chief (heads of state) and Chiefs of the General Staff. — Sundostund (talk) 16:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: As you may see, now we have three separate templates: Template:Commanders-in-Chief of the Iranian Armed Forces, Template:Commanders of the Iranian Army and Template:Chiefs of the Iranian General Staff. I hope that you find them satisfactory, as they address concerns you expressed here. — Sundostund (talk) 04:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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List of heads of state of Afghanistan

Hello Sundostund, Why was the information I had inputted into List of heads of state of Afghanistan removed? They were Afghan empires who were the heads of state of Afghanistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirmortimer3 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@Sirmortimer3: Hello. First and foremost, it is generally accepted that the Afghan state started in the 18th century, with the Hotak and the Durrani dynasties. Before making such a big change as you proposed with your edits, you should start a discussion and get input from other editors. Also, I saw the need to remove your edits as you included only a single ruler of both Lodi and Sur dynasties, instead of putting all of them in the list. That made the lists appearing confusing, and "broken" in a way. It seemed unnecessary to me to keep the list the way you left it. —Sundostund (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Reply to List of Heads of state of Afghanistan

Hello Sundostund, I wouldn't say it is generally accepted that the Afghan state started in the 18th century, Afghans have had a state multiple times before the 18th century. (Sur Empire, Lodi dynasty, Ghurid, etc.) I will add all the Afghan rulers of the Afghan Sur Empire along with the Lodi Empire to make it not confusing. Is that fine with you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirmortimer3 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@Sirmortimer3: Well I am sorry, but we have to agree to disagree on that. It is generally accepted that the Afghan state started in the 18th century, especially with the establishment of the Durrani dynasty in 1747. The list of heads of state was stable in that regard for a very long time, and if you want to change it, you should start an appropriate discussion (maybe also add a formal request), and get input from other editors. That is an appropriate way to proceed before making such radical changes to the list, instead of just doing what you want. In my opinion, all leaders before the 18th century should be left out the list. —Sundostund (talk) 06:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

libya

fix my edits, hard formatting, hope you know new pm was agreed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.137.14.152 (talk) 03:52, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Spanish Guinea Article

Hey would you please help me fix up the Spanish Guinea article. I've already did some big fixes and I plan to do more. If you could help it would be very good. Thanks Kanto7 (talk) 01:12, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kanto7: Honestly, I think that you did quite a good job there so far, so I see no urgent need to add/remove something myself. Currently, I have some other things to do, so I will look more carefully into the Spanish Guinea article at some later point. —Sundostund (talk) 08:51, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

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Sundostund

@Sundostund: Hello! You are good Wikipedian! 👍 Could you please send me message or add me on Facebook / Steam? Thank you

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@Klofáč: Hello! Thank you very much for your kind words! Unfortunately, I don't use Facebook or other social networks. I only use Viber for close personal contacts, as well as email I mentioned in a user box, on my user page here. I will be very glad to stay in contact with you, both here and on some other platforms in the future. —Sundostund (talk) 17:54, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Deputy of the Prime Minister of Israel

Hi

Could you expend the article Deputy of the Prime Minister of Israel, with infoboxes, parties colors, etc? --Panam2014 (talk) 01:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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