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MassCFD feature requests

Hi Qwerfjkl! I've got two requests for MassCFD, one smaller than the other.

The (easier? It sounds easier...) one the script should warn people when closing the tab with entered information (on Chrome, it has a popup which says "Leave site? Changes you made may not be saved.").

The second (probably a bit more complex?) request is some way to do a mass WP:CFDS nomination. Whichever way is easiest to implement; maybe adding to the menu of dropdown options?

Anyways, thank you for all you do category wise (and for Wikipedia in general!). No pressure, no deadlines.

Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, I've implemented the first one, it was pretty easy. The second request will take me a bit longer to implement. I'm also in the process of moving house right now, so it might take me a few days (or longer). — Qwerfjkltalk 17:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Take all the time you need, and thank you so much!! :) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, tagging the categories for Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 7#IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships reminded me, I'll also add pasting support (which is already in CfD lister), meaning you can copy the text straight from the nomination section and just paste it in. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Awesome. Again, thank you so much!! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, okay, after a few days without internet I've gotten round to this. I have a couple of questions on the implementation:

1. What template should I place on user talk pages (if any)?
2. What format should I add the mass nomination in? It would seem redundant to add the rationale after each category if it's the same.

— Qwerfjkltalk 19:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

In order:

1. I don't normally place a template on UTPs; I don't think one exists(?). I would say don't leave a template.
2. I think in the same way you enter a MassCFD rationale: there is a big box which lets you enter a rationale, which is mapped to each category. If you need to nominate a bunch of categories for different reasons, that is what Twinkle is for. If you need to some categories for one reason and other categories for a different reason, you can run simply the script twice.

Again, thank you for taking this one on! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, on 2 , that's not what I mean.
The format for a single CFDS nomination is:

* [[:Category:Foo]] to [[:Category:Bar]] – C2X: rationale ~~~~.

For a mass nomination I could simply duplicate that for each category, or I could do something like

C2X: rationale ~~ ~~.
:* [[:Category:Foo1]] to [[:Category:Bar1]]
:* [[:Category:Foo2]] to [[:Category:Bar2]]

— Qwerfjkltalk 20:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah. I would lean towards duplicating the rationale (if you need to write a paragraph at CFDS, that is a sign you should probably be at CFD). However, others might feel differently. Would you have any objections to pinging some CfD regulars to see what they think? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, no objections. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london, Hey man im josh, Marcocapelle, Nederlandse Leeuw, Pppery, Smasongarrison, and Ymblanter: thoughts on whether MassCFD at WP:CFDS should list nominations like Option A or Option B?

Option A

* [[:Category:Foo1]] to [[:Category:Bar1]] – C2X: identical rationale. ~~~~
* [[:Category:Foo2]] to [[:Category:Bar2]] – C2X: identical rationale. ~~~~
* [[:Category:Foo3]] to [[:Category:Bar3]] – C2X: identical rationale. ~~~~

Option B

C2X: identical rationale. ~~~~
* [[:Category:Foo1]] to [[:Category:Bar1]]
* [[:Category:Foo2]] to [[:Category:Bar2]]
* [[:Category:Foo3]] to [[:Category:Bar3]]

Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Holy hell I love the idea of having a tool for mass nominations, it can be suuuuch a paaaain. I too am leaning towards duplicating the rationale (option A). Hey man im josh (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh, duplicating the rationale is option A. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. For what it's worth though, I'm more than happy to refer to Ymblanter for their preference, since they do so much of the processing. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Option B of course, it saves us a lot of time when we transfer the nominations for processing. (Also applies to manual nominations). Thanks a lot for working on it. Ymblanter (talk) 15:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I also lean towards Option B. I often see fellow editors use it at CFDS, and recently I did it myself (for the first time?). The main reason for doing it that way is that it WP:CENTRALises discussion around the identical rationale of all nominees. I've had it happen several times that when I speedied like 10 cats from the same tree with the same rationale, one editor responded to every single one of them with Oppose and an identical reason for opposing each one of them. That is duplicating a whole lot of discussions that can easily be centralised using Option B. NLeeuw (talk) 15:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

• Option B per Ymblanter. It should be manageable for the nominator as well as for the processor. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

• Option B of those two, definitely. But if it's not too much harder, could we have the following, which is what experienced editors have historically built manually?

Option C

* [[:Category:Foo1]] to [[:Category:Bar1]] – C2X: rationale. ~~~~
** [[:Category:Foo2]] to [[:Category:Bar2]]
** [[:Category:Foo3]] to [[:Category:Bar3]]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fayenatic london (talk • contribs) 16:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Even better. Ymblanter (talk) 20:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeeed. Preferring Option C now. NLeeuw (talk) 21:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Works for me. Really whatever is easiest for admins and Qwerfjkl to implement. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I echo HouseBlaster, whichever is easiest to implement is my choice! Thanks all! Mason (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@HouseBlaster, Hey man im josh, Ymblanter, Nederlandse Leeuw, Marcocapelle, Fayenatic london, Smasongarrison: I've pretty much finished this. Does the demo at Special:Permalink/1223373244#Current requests look correct to everyone? — Qwerfjkltalk 18:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me, thanks. Ymblanter (talk) 18:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks fine, well done! NLeeuw (talk) 18:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I've published the script at User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFDS. I haven't fully tested it so let me know if there are any bugs. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

That markup (asterisk, followed by colon asterisk on the next line) is against the accessibility guidance at MOS:INDENTMIX. Just use multiple asterisks. – Fayenatic London 07:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Fayenatic london, fixed. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Noting that I successfully ran this on a set of 83 category changes here. All pages appear tagged with the appropriate proposed title, so I'm pretty happy with it. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Hridoyanto89 (14:55, 14 May 2024)

tell me some places where I can edit --Hridoyanto89 (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hridoyanto89, see WP:Task center. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Bux666 on Eindhoven (11:32, 15 May 2024)

Hi! How can I update the data in the 'Infobox' on the right side? I'm updating the population in Eindhoven )https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eindhoven) but I don't find the data stored in that Infobox.

Cheers, Benoît (username Bux666) --Bux666 (talk) 11:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Bux666, the infobox has the code {{Dutch municipality population|Eindhoven}}, meaning the data is pulled from Template:Dutch municipality population. That template is semi-protected, meaning you need to have an account that has at least 10 edits and is at least 4 days old.
Looking at that template, I think it needs to be updated all at once, for all Dutch muncipalities. I can help with this if you'd like. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Hridoyanto89 (19:01, 16 May 2024)

suggest me some more sites to edit --Hridoyanto89 (talk) 19:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hridoyanto89, what do you mean by "sites"? Articles? — Qwerfjkltalk 19:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Hi User:Qwerfjkl please re move these pages back Tamasha (season 2) Tamasha (season 1) as they have got brackets on. 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:15C5:1843:3801:4DF6 (talk) 19:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

2A02:6B68:10:EF00:15C5:1843:3801:4DF6, thanks for notifying me.
@Moosa1312, why did you move the pages? My bot previously moved them in line with an RfC result; the moves should not be unilaterally reverted. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Please move them back 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:B0AB:6911:18B3:FDC6 (talk) 19:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Qwerfjkl Can you move them back without brackets 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:B0AB:6911:18B3:FDC6 (talk) 19:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

2A02:6B68:10:EF00:B0AB:6911:18B3:FDC6, I've done so now. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

thanks for doing Hridoyanto89 (talk) 06:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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Discussions

• New requests for permissions/Bot:
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Press, articles, blog posts, videos

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  • Camillo Carlo Pellizzari di San Girolamo, Storia della collaborazione tra Wikidata e le biblioteche della Rete URBE nel controllo di autorità. Abstract: "The contribution draws a history of the presence of the identifiers of the authority records of the URBE network libraries in Wikidata, and of the collaboration that has evolved since 2020 between the Wikidata community and the cataloguers of the URBE network libraries, relating to the harmonisation of these authority records with Wikidata and the improvement of the quality of the respective data. The first part of the contribution traces the main stages of collaboration in chronological order, while the second part of the contribution presents the main areas in which the collaboration materialises (or can materialise) in the daily authority work carried out by cataloguers in theme-based groupings".
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Tool of the week

• Wikidata GenderStats measures gender bias at the user level by computing stats on created items.
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python/pywikibot error

Hello. I hope you are doing well. I became co-maintainer of Muninnbot. It has been inactive for almost 1.8 years. I tried to test-run, and resolve the current script, but I have been unable to. The script is at /data/project/muninnbot/tea-test.py, and the error I keep getting is at /data/project/muninnbot/tea-test.out If possible, would you kindly help me with getting that script/bot running again? —usernamekiran (talk) 12:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Usernamekiran, from what I can tell the issue is due to Discussion Tools. Calling get_sections_from_revid(783718598)[:2] returns:

[{'anchor': 'Request:_World_Cafe',
  'byteoffset': 3329,
  'extensionData': {'DiscussionTools-html-summary': '<span '
                                                    'class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 '
                                                    'comments</span>'},
  'fromtitle': 'Wikipedia:Teahouse',
  'index': '1',
  'level': '2',
  'line': 'Request: World Cafe',
  'linkAnchor': 'Request:_World_Cafe',
  'number': '1',
  'toclevel': 1},
 {'anchor': 'How_to_publish_my_page',
  'byteoffset': 8292,
  'extensionData': {'DiscussionTools-html-summary': '<span '
                                                    'class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 '
                                                    'comments</span>'},
  'fromtitle': 'Wikipedia:Teahouse',
  'index': '2',
  'level': '2',
  'line': 'How to publish my page',
  'linkAnchor': 'How_to_publish_my_page',
  'number': '2',
  'toclevel': 1}]

But what it expects is

[{'anchor': 'Request:_World_Cafe',
     'byteoffset': 3329,
     'fromtitle': 'Wikipedia:Teahouse',
     'index': '1',
     'level': '2',
     'line': 'Request: World Cafe',
     'number': '1',
     'toclevel': 1},
    {'anchor': 'How_to_publish_my_page',
     'byteoffset': 8292,
     'fromtitle': 'Wikipedia:Teahouse',
     'index': '2',
     'level': '2',
     'line': 'How to publish my page',
     'number': '2',
     'toclevel': 1}
    ]

Without the extensionData. — Qwerfjkltalk 12:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

hi

how to move from draft to publish Sargunajames (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Sargunajames, see the response to your question at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#00:26, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Sargunajames. Your draft is not suitable. — Qwerfjkltalk 05:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Bug in MassCFD

Hi Qwerfjkl! Thanks again for making MassCFDS. I truly appreciate it.

One of its features has crept into MassCFD. The old drop-down options (e.g. delete, rename, etc.) are gone, and have been replaced with C2A (rename) etc. Would you be able to fix this? Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, strange, possibly a variable name conflict. Which scripts do you have installed? Right now I'm working on User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD.js, to handle mass CfD and RfD nominations - I haven't tested it yet, but it might work. — Qwerfjkltalk 06:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I should probably let you know that I am out of town for the next few days, so I probably won't be able to reply / close CfDs and I definitely can't troubleshoot (sorry!). Maybe ignore for now and we can reconvene on Friday? Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 11:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, sounds good to me, I'll try to take care of closing CfDs until then. — Qwerfjkltalk 12:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

MassXFd worked for me for Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Wingate Bulldogs women's basketball. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23#Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends

Hi! Any particular reason you relisted Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23#Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends? Gonnym, the only person to comment on the nomination in 2.5 weeks, supported it. (their comment reads, with emphasis added, The only one to use this category really has been banned and there really is no indication what purpose this serve once the data was collected. So agree with proposal. If at any point in the future this or something similar is needed, recreating isn't that difficult.) Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, yes, I read their comment. On second thoughts, it porbably didn't need relisting.

Unfortunately I'm going to be away for the next week or so - I'm going on holiday in America. I'll hopefully still be around to answer questions, but I probably won't be able to do much more than that. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that is an unfortunate[] thing—IRL trumps Wikipedia :D. As an American, hope you enjoy the states! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 14:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Lint's on other projects...

Namely English Wikibooks which I'd been chipping away at manually.. https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/misnested-tag&dir=prev&offset=1221440&exactmatch=&tag=all&template=all&titlecategorysearch=&wpNamespaceRestrictions=

Any chance of adapting your recently approved bot to English Wikibooks and English Wikisource? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Should be easier as {{center/top}} {{center/end}} exist on Wikibooks. And {{font}}, {{font/top}}, {{font/end}} also. I can provide more information if needed.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

ShakespeareFan00, sure, but I'm going to be busy for a while, so I'm not sure how much I can commit to this. — Qwerfjkltalk 23:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Coaches 101 (09:33, 15 May 2024)

How do I create an article called Quarantine Ring the alarm challenge, I am new to this and I want to get it right. Its a song issued by Tyrese Gibson, and I want to know what is the best practices to write this article? --Coaches 101 (talk) 09:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Coaches 101, Welcome! Creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging, and new editors are strongly recommended to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing seven million articles before trying it. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, you are highly encouraged to read WP:Your first article. If you haven't already also check out WP:TUTORIAL; it's a lot of fun! Happy editing! — Qwerfjkltalk 14:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I created an article here: would this violate Wikipedia standards?

User:Coaches 101/sandbox - Wikipedia Coaches 101 (talk) 09:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Coaches 101, that looks too promotional for Wikipedia. I'd also encourage you to support statements with references, especially ones that are reliable and independant of the subject. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

How can the footnotes be added on as references? What are reliable sources, if editors will still think the information is promotional? Coaches 101 (talk) 10:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Coaches 101, reliable sources should be independant of the subject. See Help:Referencing for beginners. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

After carefully reading your Reference, this article was updated to fit the needs. How can this be published? User:Coaches 101/sandbox - Wikipedia Coaches 101 (talk) 07:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Baron Trump (disambiguation)

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