User talk:Peter I. Vardy/Archive 21

DYK for St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood

KTC (talk) 16:02, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Listed buildings in Great Budworth

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Listed buildings in Northwich

Lord Roem ~ (talk) 08:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For your excellent work on Listed buildings in Northwich. We should have this sort of list for every listed building in the UK by locality, it's very valuable content. Keep up the great work! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:24, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for that. You may have noticed that this is but one of a number of lists based on Cheshire civil parishes. Some of the lists are very short, with only one or two listed buildings, while others, such as Northwich and Great Budworth are much larger. I agree that it would be a good thing if all parishes in the country were covered, sooner or later. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Livesey, Hargreaves and Company

Lord Roem ~ (talk) 08:03, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for William Allen (banker)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Mellor Hall

Hi, I was wondering if you had any info on this in any of your books.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:09, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

I do have the Pevsner, and also Cheshire Country Houses, but they don't contain much more than is in the article. I'm just back from a break, and have some catching up to do, but I'll have a look when I get round to it.

As a side issue, I notice that both the National Heritage List for England (NHLE) and British Listed Buildings (BLB) are used as sources. The text is exactly the same, with the NHLE being the basic source (it has replaced Image of England (IoE)), and BLB derived from it. The former is produced by English Heritage, and is therefore the basic source, while BLB is derived from it (and it contains adverts, so is somewhat frowned on). IMO we should at present be using the NHLE as our fundamental source for listed buildings rather than BLB. Also the NHLE is updated when changes in grading, delisting, etc occurs, a great advantage over IoE. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Liverpool

Hi, Peter. I agree that the sourcing for Liverpool is terrible but adding (literally) 75 "citation needed" tags just makes the article undreadable. I've reverted your edit and placed a {{refimprove}} tag at the head of the article. I hope this doesn't sound snarky but the time you spent adding all those tags could far better have been spent adding sources for a few of the things that need them. "It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness." Dricherby (talk) 10:08, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Just making a point, and hoping that someone would have a look at a very important article that's in such a bad shape. For myself, I'm sorry but I'm involved with other projects at present. Thanks for adding the tag, but it's my experience that they are ignored. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:42, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that the article's in pretty poor shape and it does need a lot of work. :-( Dricherby (talk) 11:27, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Hotels

Hello, Peter I. Vardy. You are invited to join WikiProject Hotels, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of hotels, motels and lodging-related topics. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

The old Grades A, B and C

Evening Peter. While doing some maintenance on one of my church articles, I found that the English Heritage publication which discussed the old Grades A to C and their replacement with I, II* and II has been updated and now does not refer to them. (It was the March 2007 version of this document, now updated to April 2011.) I have found another document to replace it in my article; and doing a search for the old URL turned up one of your articles (CCT churches in SW England), so I have replaced it there as well, but you may have used it as a reference on others. If you need it anywhere else, here is the code for the new ref: <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.architecturecentre.net/docs/content/listed_buildings_fact_sheet.pdf|title=Listed Buildings Fact Sheet|year=2011|month=July|publisher=Architecture Centre Network|format=PDF|accessdate=7 February 2013|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6EGPsPcb9|archivedate=7 February 2013|deadurl=no}}</ref> (Incidentally I have made a permament archive copy of it using the WebCite service, which is proving very useful at combating link rot. I highly recommend it!) Best, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:32, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that info. Articles still using the Images of England (IoE) as a citation may still need that footnote. I have been updating articles to use the National Heritage List for England (NHLE) citation, where the A, B, C grades have all been converted to I, II* and II. I have converted all the CCT lists, apart from the SW England (where I was not the main editor) from IoE to NHLE, so that reference is not needed. But thanks for letting me know. I must have a go at SW England ...sometime. Best wishes. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Birchwood

I've been to Birchwood many times, and I'm astonished to see that it has any listed buildings at all. It's always a good day when we learn something. George Ponderevo (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I've been fascinated by the nuggets of information that have been revealed in the compilation of these little lists. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/podoconiosis

Peter, can I ask you to take another look at this article, which you reviewed earlier, to see if the sourcing is now satisfactory to you (and per DYK standards)? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton

Can I pick your brians? I'm currently writing about the Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton (in my sandbox at present at: User:Rodw/Sandbox/Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton but soon to move to article space). It was sold by the Anglican Diocese as the fabric was unsafe and is now the memorial church of the Fleet Air Arm - but does this count as a redundant church?— Rod ^talk 21:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Rod! (My brians??) Yes it is redundant; confirmed by page 7 of this document - it was made redundant on 1 December 1988. You can get to this source via the Resources column of this.

Incidentally I'm surprised to see you still using Images of England as a source. This is effectively out of date as it was a Millennium project and has not been updated since 2000. It has been replaced by the National Heritage List for England which is updated as necessary (new listings, delistings, change of Grade, etc). The search page for this is here. I have been in touch personally with English Heritage who inform me that this is the case – and I've found some errors that they have corrected when I have pointed them out, so I can confirm that it is more authoritative than IoE. There is a useful template too: {{NHLE |num= |desc= |accessdate= |separator=,|ps=}}. Good luck. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:28, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added the ref for being redundant - if you want to give it any other edits feel free now at Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton. I know I should get used to using NHLE but I'm so used to IoE it is a challenge.— Rod ^talk 21:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

And worth taking the challenge. I agree it takes some getting used to it, but with practice.....! In any case you have to be up to date to be reliable?! I now find it very useful, especially as they've added the "List Entry Text" as an additional search facility. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

OK updated ref to NHLE but took me 3 searches to find it & the lack of pics is a limitation - I need to find a (suitably licenced) pic for that church.— Rod ^talk 22:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to tell you how to find NHLE from IoE. Click "Reference Number", copy the IoE number into the lower box, click "Search", and you've gottit. Easy-peasy. I agree that the lack of a pic is a disadvantage; but you can't use the IoE image anyway, so you're no worse off in that respect. I had a look but could not find a photo on Commons or Geograph. Good luck, anyway. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:18, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Heath Chapel

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Wigg

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

St Mary Magdalen's Church, Ribbleton

I have started a discussion on the talk page for this church about renaming (moving) it. You advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Prestonmag (talk) 09:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for drawing my attention to your suggestion. I have replied. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Precious again

treasures of English churches
Thank you for unveiling the hidden treasures of English churches with amazing consistency, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (18 June 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 60th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style. I miss the photographer, again, and put "Letting go of the past" on top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

You are very kind. As always. Keep up your excellent work. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:05, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Frank William Green

I've amended it and commented on the image at the nom page. Thanks for taking the time to look this one over! – Connormah (talk) 00:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bache Hall

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013

ICHTHUS

April 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforeseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month

This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Complete recording

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight

The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encyclopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By Gilderien

Calendar
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor.

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DYK nomination of Church of St Paul, Liverpool

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DYK for Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St Christopher, Norris Green

Materialscientist (talk) 00:40, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St Luke's Church, Hodnet

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St Dunstan, Liverpool

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:40, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Sharpe, Paley and Austin

I'm not entirely sure what this is trying to say: "... following the arrival of Hubert Austin, Perpendicular began the dominant style, so much so that the practice became regarded as regional leaders in the use of that style". There's obviously a bit missing there anyway, but is it saying that Perpendicular became the dominant style generally, or just within the practice? Malleus Fatuorum 13:30, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks: "began" was a typo, which I have corrected. I've re-worded the sentence, and hope it says what I mean now. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• "Sharpe appointed Paley as his partner in 1845, and them took an increasing interest in activities outside the practice." Should that be "then" or "both of them"? Malleus Fatuorum 16:33, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

  Whoops: another typo. I've fixed it. You're spotting them! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:36, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• "Writing in 1969 the historical historian Nikolaus Pevsner said ...". I'm not sure what you're getting at with "historical historian". Should it be "architectural historian"? Malleus Fatuorum 17:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• "The title of the introduction to the book by Brandwood et al ...". What book? Malleus Fatuorum 17:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

  I think I've fixed those two. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• Why do Hubert Austin's sons (Bernard Tate and Geoffrey Langshaw) have different surnames to him and to each other? Malleus Fatuorum 20:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

  These are their given (Christian) names. Do they have to be spelt out each time? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:16, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

  Ah, I see. So they were called Bernard Tate Austin and Geoffrey Langshaw Austin? It's rather confusing because both Tate and Langshaw look like surnames. Don't see what we can do about that though. Malleus Fatuorum 20:39, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• "Braidwood et al identify two other stylistic changes in the firm's designs during this period, although these are not necessarily mutually compatible." I can't quite parse that sentence. Presumably what it's trying to say is the two architectural styles are not necessarily compatible (not sure what "mutually" is trying to say though, or that "although")? If that's so, could we write instead something like "Braidwood et al identify two other, potentially incompatible, stylistic changes in the firm's designs during this period"? Malleus Fatuorum 20:39, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll get out of your hair now. Good luck at GAN. Malleus Fatuorum 20:39, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks: I really appreciate the help you give. It's amazing the "obvious" things you miss when you are too close to an article. By the way, I now have very little hair. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

List of works by Sharpe and Paley

Well worth a go at FLC with this. Just a couple of minor queries:

• "The Sunday Schools were built for the Congregationalists on the corner of High Street and Middle Street. I doubt the Congregationalists were on the corner of High Street and Middle Street, and the Sunday Schools built elsewhere, so is that saying the Congregationalist Sunday Schools were built on the corner of High Street and Middle Street? Shouldn't it be "Sunday schools" rather that "Sunday Schools"?

• "The practice adapted an existing building, including the addition of extra rooms, for the Mechanics' Institute, who then moved into it from a different site." I can't really get my head round that. Do we really need that trailing "who then moved into it from a different site"? Could they have moved into it from the same site?

And I think that's it from me, good luck at FLC. Malleus Fatuorum 22:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again for your sterling work. I've dealt with the two comments above. IRO the citations in the lead, I'll wait and see what the reviewers say. The listed churches that made it to FL all had corresponding citations. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I tend to try and avoid citations in the lead except for direct quotations, partly because I think they encourage the drive-by {{citation needed}} taggers ("if that's cited, then why isn't this?", but I'm otherwise fairly indifferent to them. Malleus Fatuorum 12:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I reckon they're essential in the first paragraph, and questionable elsewhere. Let's see what the reviewers demand; easier to delete than add them again. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:07, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St Paul, Liverpool

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Holy Trinity Church, Wavertree

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St Luke, Liverpool

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St. Margaret of Antioch, Liverpool

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gustav Adolfs Kyrka

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)

Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but not at the present. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St Patrick's Church, Liverpool

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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St Botolph's Church, Botolphs

Morning Peter – thanks for your note. I haven't found out much about the situation (not helped by the parish website having been changed), but it appears to remain open for occasional services and is still consecrated; the situation appears similar to e.g. St George's Church, Esher. The Diocesan list of redundant churches hasn't been updated since October 2012, so I'll keep an eye out for updates. (Incidentally, if you have not come across these lists, they may come in useful as extra confirmation for when churches were vested in the CCT; for each diocese, all redundant churches are listed along with their "fate" and the corresponding date. Where a church is CCT, it will be noted. Use this search and start on page 2 for lists by diocese.) Best, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Remaining consecrated and open for occasional services does seem to be the norm for many churches under the care of the CCT and similar bodies. The link I use for redundant churches is this, which I guess brings you to the same place. Incidentally, I think we have been involved in discussion about the works of the Sharpe, Paley and Austin practice of Lancaster in the past. I have submitted List of works by Sharpe and Paley as a FLC, and it's struggling a bit, so, if you fancy having a look and giving any help you can, it would be appreciated. Best wishes from wet Cheshire. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Ichthus

Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned an article you worked on in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds22:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation, but not at present. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:36, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Winnington Hall

As you have been the main/sole contributor to this article, please could you have a look at Talk:Winnington Hall#Verification needed? Thanks. Opera hat (talk) 15:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have, hopefully put it right. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Uldale church

Hi, I wondered if you had anything on the church you can use to help flesh this article out?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's Grade II listed, with a page in Visit Cumbria, and an entry in Pevsner. IMO it merits a separate article with a link to Uldale. Would you like me to prepare one? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Titular Abbots

Hi. I noticed you put Citation Needed tag onto one of the articles that has been daubed with this Titular Abbot nonsense.

Just to let you know its not worth the effort: just remove the information. When they are referencing these made up titles, its a self made website (and not a very professional one at that!) It's some form of fringe religion that calls itself catholic but "ordains" women and married people. They have no connection to the proper catholic church and have no formal or recognised religious status or titles. All of their titles are entirely self bestowed - their calling themselves bishops, archbishops, titular this and that - none of it is official. The guy that runs it claims to cure people through a premium telephone line and has allsorts of other nonsense money making things.

Seems to be more than 1 user involved in spreading it across Wikipedia. I've found "Abbot of croyland" and "Abbot Gordon". I've been polite about the need for referencing and polite in the way I have removed the information, so far... but it could be time for tougher stance considering the amount of false information added and the use of sockpuppet accounts.

So yes, just a heads up not to entertain any of it.

Best --Rushton2010 (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's helpful. I thought it was a bit odd; and the edit had been placed in the middle of a referenced section before I reverted to an earlier version. The tag was a sort of challenge. But I'll take your advice. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Chester Meet-Up

Hello, I noticed you have done a lot of work on Chester/Cheshire related articles so thought you might also be interested in the 1st Chester Wikimeet on 21 July. Maybe see you there? ツStacey (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I had seen that it's on, but not sure yet. (And your user page suggests that you may be aggressive!! Could be fun.) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Haha! Aggressive?! Noooo... I think you have the wrong person ;) Would be good if you could make it; I promise I am nice! ツStacey (talk) 15:48, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I have been watching your page since this comment and have noticed that you write a HUGE number of articles! You really have to come along to the meet up and teach me some of your strategies for writing! It takes me weeks to get anything even slightly legible and I was proud of my 4 measly DYKS! Haha.. Hope you can make it ツStacey (talk) 20:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I don't think I will make the meetup, but I have no particular strategy to offer. Just keep writing and you should improve - practice makes better. And look for good ideas and tactics from other experienced editors. Hope the meetup goes well, and that it's not TOO hot. Please give my best wishes to all who attend. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thats a shame. At the meet-up we will be deciding if we will be having a meet-up in Chester every 4th month, would you be interested in future meet-ups in Chester? ツStacey (talk) 08:17, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, a family event has been confirmed for Sunday. Please let me know how the meetup goes, and if more are planned. And don't drink Chester dry! Hope it's a great success. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

{{NHLE}}

Hi, just to let you know that the {{NHLE}} template has recently been updated and now has a |fewer-links= parameter which when set to anything will remove the wikilinks to English Heritage and National Heritage List for England from the citation. Useful for the multiple uses in the list articles that you have produced. Keith D (talk) 21:52, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Probably more trouble than it's worth, because the general rule with citations is to either link the first occurrence or all occurrences, and as things tend to move around it's easier just to link every occurrence. Eric Corbett 21:58, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually seems to work well, and to reduce the blue links, even in sortable lists. Thanks for the tip. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:46, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments

Hi Peter, I see you have been updating some Somerset churches refs etc. & wondered if you knew about Wiki Loves Monuments? The UK will be taking part in 2013 for the first time. This will include lots of churches among the GI & GII* buildings included in the criteria. Current work is going into Listed buildings in England (& other UK countries) & with your experience on these sorts of lists I wondered if anyone had asked you to help?— Rod ^talk 19:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Rod. No, I did not know about the photographic competition. It should provide some needed photos for articles for those without, and better ones for others. All the Grade I and II* (and most Grade II) churches in Cheshire have a photo, but not all the country houses (some are difficult to access). I have been working through my watchlist to update and/or correct anything that I think needs it. You will have noticed that I have changed IoE references to NHLE. Hope you are happy with this. You probably know that IoE is frozen in time (2000 or earlier) and is not updated. NHLE is updated, daily if necessary, and contains new listings, relistings and (should) delete buildings that are delisted or demolished. I have been in touch personally with EH, who confirm this; I have been sending them details of typos and obvious errors, and these are dealt with the next day.

IRO Listed buildings in England, I have some reservations. Buildings are being listed, relisted and delisted all the time, and I wonder how it will be possible to keep it up to date and reliable (for example, today there are 375,757 listed buildings, not 374,081). And the section "Lists of all listed buildings, by county or locality" will become unwieldy (I wonder if it should be split). The reason I say this is because I have been compiling lists (some very short) of the listed buildings in each Cheshire parish. You can see the potential size of this section if you look at my user page, and open the New Lists section; most of these are Cheshire parishes, and I am only about a quarter of the way through! Anyway, keep in touch; it's always good to share info. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:01, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Happy with IoE -> NHLE which I'm using myself now - but just haven't got around to changing them all. Parishes may be the way to go to keep lists manageable however I've done GI for Somerset by district/UA see Grade I listed buildings in Somerset & now working on Grade II* listed buildings in Somerset - only about 1,000 to go!— Rod ^talk 12:39, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Hi Peter, I'll just hijack this section. Have you considered coming to the meetup in Chester on Sunday? It would be great to talk about WLM an listed buildings in general, and I'm thinking of organising an in-person event in Chester to kick WLM off and I'll need local help. If you can make it, it would be great to meet you. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Oi Harry! Go up a few sections! =P I already asked.. ツStacey (talk) 18:06, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Abbot's Wood, Cumbria

The DYK project (nominate) 20:03, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Great George Street Congregational Church

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:18, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Church name and article format convention

After creating a handful of church articles I notice that on WP there seems to be a variety of church article naming and layout formats. I follow the section layout convention that you seem to use, which appears eminently sensible, with the article name as St Kevin's Church, Bogthorpe. Is there a "how to write about a church" guideline page, as we have with schools ? If there isn't, for consistency I think it would be advantageous to create one given the vast number of churches, if only for the UK. Acabashi (talk) 12:05, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I am not aware of any "how to write" advice about church articles. I must admit that I have just developed my own style, which seems to fit what I can find in sources, usually just History, and Architecture, plus Associated structures, if there are any. To do it properly (especially for GA, etc) there should also be a Present day section (a church is not just a building, but also a community), but I am usually too lazy to do this (and sources are not always adequate). And I guess there should also be an Assessment section. The person who, to my knowledge, has written more GAs on British churches than any other is User:Bencherlite; for an example see St Mary's Church, Tal-y-llyn. Would you like to seek his opinion about having a guide to writing church articles?

Regarding titles, I have tried to follow the "common usage" policy; People usually say "I go to St Kevin's Church" rather than "I go to the Church of St Kevin", but there is no rule about this. And some church titles are long or complex and only "Church of ..." seems to make sense, for example, "Church of the Immaculate Conception". In respect of "St" or "St." I use the former. This is the usual British convention, but in the US "St." is normally used. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back, and for your thoughts succinctly put to which I concur. I have asked Bencherlite to comment here on an idea for church article guidelines, but he won't be back until August 5th. Acabashi (talk) 17:30, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The closest thing to an official style for (Church of England) church names is the designation given in Crockford's Clerical Directory, this is also follwoed by Dove's Guide (see http://dove.cccbr.org.uk/FAQs.php#A2), but this uses S, rather than St, so would look odd to most folk (and uses Ss for multiple dedications, ie Ss Peter and Paul rather than St Peter and St Paul). There is a similar definitive list for the Church in Wales http://www.churchinwales.org.uk/structure/places/churches/. This basically follows the system Peter uses St Name, Place (note that they also prefer Ss for mulitple dedications). David Underdown (talk) 11:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

For copyediting my article on Genovese sauce. I'd recommend you try it some time - pretty delicious! -Darouet (talk) 16:41, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St Oswald's Church, Old Swan, Liverpool

The DYK project (nominate) 16:05, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Addleshaw Tower

Alex Shih^Talk 08:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)