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Assistance needed for Draft:Joint Commission Of The Theological Dialogue Between The Orthodox Church And The Oriental Orthodox ChurchesEdit

I need some help expanding the Unofficial Meetings and Official Dialogues section of this draft page.

Also, I'm certain the references for the four official dialogues have a primary source, however I can only seem to find secondary sources online. Perhaps the original is offline and/or in Greek? Contagious Owl (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Contagious Owl: I'll see what I can do but I have a concern that, outside of a few blogs and that PAGE source you relied heavily on, there isn't a formal body with that name. Maybe flesh that out a bit with any sources you may have? I'll check my ecumenical reference texts for anything that isn't already included. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!Edit

Please note that Convent, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
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Proposed deletion of Wes NoldenEdit


The article Wes Nolden has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

In its 13.86 years on the site, this article has had—at best— two reliable sources previously, and those were oft subject to blanking by SPAs. With this re-write, only thee sources presented themselves, and the weightiest one is dubious. This has failed the notability guideline for longer than some productive editors have been alive, and even now doesn't meet muster.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 19:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

@Fourthords: I've lodged an oppose on the PROD on WP:BISHOP grounds following a semi-productive BEFORE search. I think an AfD might still be appropriate, but I'll be in the weak keep camp. Thanks! ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Joanik BasilovichEdit

Hello, WikiProject,

I came across this draft as I was looking at expiring draft articles and I postponed deletion for another six months because it seems like it might be of interest to someone. It is supposedly translated from the Russian Wikipedia and it currently doesn't have sources so it's not an easy fix-up. I posted notices about it at the WikiProjects for Russia and Eastern Orthodoxy but they appear to be inactive so I thought I'd try here. It's kind of a long shot but maybe we have some religious history buffs who'd be willing to do a little research. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 22:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for postponing. I'll take it on as I should have the relevant sourcing to bring this article to a state worth review. I will have time to actually do so this weekend. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
@Liz: It's been two weeks and even historians in the church this guy was a part of couldn't find anything. I think we can delete. Thanks for the hold. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Crisis pregnancy center has an RFCEdit


Crisis pregnancy center has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Please remember to adhere to WP:NPOV standards. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't see the RFC? –Zfish118talk
Link has been fixed. Good eye. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Request for reviewEdit

I've just written Guns into Plowshares, and it was approved and moved into the mainspace last night. Could someone do an assessment for this project, and let me know if there's anything in particular you think needs to be done to bring it to B class? (I know it needs a picture; I'll get one next time I'm in the area.) Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdhamilton (talkcontribs) 13:18, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Note: this has been done! Thanks. Brian (talk) 09:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakalomattam familyEdit

As this family has ties to Christian history, editors may wish to comment here. All opinions are welcome.4meter4 (talk) 03:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Added keep vote. Brian (talk) 09:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Featured Article Save Award for Josquin des PrezEdit

There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Josquin des Prez/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

SSPX-affiliated religious orders: are they "Benedictine" etc., or an imitation?Edit

I have had a disagreement on whether the SSPX-affiliated religious orders can be called "Dominican", "Benedictine", etc. My opinion is that they are not, since they are not part of the Dominican order, Benedictine order, etc. since the SSPX is outside of the Catholic Church.

@BohumilzBiliny: has stated that They are Benedictines, because they live under the Rule.

What do you say? Veverve (talk) 12:36, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Most religious orders adhere to some version of an ancient Rule. If this person says that SSPX lives by the Benedictine rule then they probably do. They live by whatever Rule was chartered for them originally when Rome approved their erection. SSPX is not "Benedictine" because they have a separate charism and do not live as a Benedictine family, but they live daily life according to that tradition. SSPX is not monastic, do not typically live in communities large enough to be considered monastic, and so they would necessarily need to modify that monastic Benedictine rule to their unique circumstances. Elizium23 (talk) 13:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
And just because an order is outside the Catholic Church does not mean they cease to be such-and-such. I know of plenty of Dominicans who are outside the Church because of LGBT issues, women's ordination, etc. They live as Dominicans and self-identify as such; they are every bit as Dominican as the Catholic ones except without communion. Elizium23 (talk) 13:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
To amplify what Elizium said: there's a long history of referring to orders by their spiritual tradition/rule regardless of whether or not they are part of the church said tradition or rule originated in. For example, the Church of England has maintained a revived Benedictine order for some time and there's a history of Benedictine monasticism in Eastern Orthodoxy. As such, any SSPX-affiliated body identified as "Benedictine" in reliable sources is for our purposes Benedictine. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Yes, but best to link it to Rule of Saint Benedict, not Benedictine, which says it is about the Catholic order, though with a long hatnote on others. Johnbod (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Agree with Johnbod. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
@Pbritti: any SSPX-affiliated body identified as "Benedictine" in reliable sources is for our purposes Benedictine: the problem is that all the sources used in this article are primary sources from the SSPX itself. Veverve (talk) 17:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
There are also variations among the Anglicans and other branches of Christianity, see, for example: Order of St Benedict (Anglican). Dcheney (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Discussion moved to article talk page. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:CHOPSY as Anti-Christian conspiracyEdit

A long-standing editor stated at WP:ANI that WP:CHOPSY is an Anti-Christian WP:CABAL.

I get attacked by both sides, rather vigorously, and my personal view of it is that I'm not actually against Christianity at all, I'm against certain forms of fundamentalism and, and, so virtually everything I say in my book are things that Christian scholars of the New Testament readily agree with, it's just that they are not hard-core evangelicals who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. If you believe in the inerrancy of the Bible then I suppose I'd be the enemy, but there are lot of Christian forms of belief that have nothing to do with inerrancy.

— Bart Ehrman, Bart Ehrman vs Tim McGrew - Round 1 at YouTube

Is CHOPSY anti-inerrancy? Definitely. Is CHOPSY anti-fundamentalism? Definitely. Is CHOPSY Anti-Christian? Well, if you believe in biblical inerrancy, it is, otherwise the claim is risible. tgeorgescu (talk) 09:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's productive to put CHOPSY on trial here, per se, but perhaps more so to posit whether tgeorgescu holds to the Sola CHOPSY heresy that no other forms of Biblical scholarship should be accepted on Wikipedia. Elizium23 (talk) 14:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Nonsense, I don't support Sola CHOPSY. As it is written large upon my talk page, The recipe for getting past my "theological" objections is quite simple: don't challenge WP:RS/AC (if there happens to be one) and use WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV for evangelical/traditionalist positions. tgeorgescu (talk) 09:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Philippine Independent Church - a debate on unsourced and FICTREFed contentEdit

From what I understand, there has been a debate at Talk:Philippine Independent Church#Violating WP:BURDEN, adding FICTREFs, OR, as to whether or not the unsourced content and FICTREFs present in the article should be kept. Feel free to come and give your opinion. Veverve (talk) 20:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Pinging the regulars: @Pbritti, Dcheney, Johnbod, and Elizium23:. Veverve (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Suggested new articles (how to?)Edit

Just went round and round searching for the article on Status confessionis here and not finding it. But something so important *must* have an article? After googling a bit and reading various linked pages, up pops Status confessionis, but at German wikipedia. But note: no links to English wikipedia from there, it is found only at de/da/it. Isn't this rather rare, not having an article here that exists elsewhere? Shenme (talk) 04:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Shenme: I think Reformed confessions of faith us meant to encompass this topic; feel free to update and expand that article so that we can connect it with the German and Italian articles. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Links to disambiguation page Apostolic ChurchEdit

Could you help to fix the links to the disambiguation page Apostolic Church? This list shows 85 articles with links to Apostolic Church which should probably be linked to more specific articles, but I am not expert enough to know which.— Rod talk 11:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

FWIW, all the incoming links are to Apostolic Church (denomination), which was recently moved to Apostolic Church (1911 denomination), so most of the disambiguation should be to that. StAnselm (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
The other issue is the new name of the page: it says Apostolic Church (1911 denomination) but it was really founded in 1916. StAnselm (talk) 15:27, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for info & thanks to all those who have already dealt with some of these.— Rod talk 17:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Joseph W. TkachEdit

User:Buidhe has nominated Joseph W. Tkach for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:17, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism#Requested move 24 November 2022Edit

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism#Requested move 24 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:40, 2 December 2022 (UTC)