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2016–17 Croatian Football Cup

Hi Opatijac97,

I'm not an English mothertongue (I'm Italian, and you're a Croatian from Opatija, I think) and forgive my mistakes. In the page 2016–17 Croatian Football Cup the club Varaždin is in both of the boxes. I imagine the club 17th in the rank will enter in the first round. Ame71 (talk) 10:38, 11 July (UTC)

yes, I know anything about Croatian football (I created the seasons pages in Italian of Druga and Treća liga) and I realised it's hard to follow it if you aren't there. I follow your county football because my wife is from Rijeka. Ame71 (talk) 17:16, 11 July (UTC)

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Hi this article needs correction. People in Rijeka will not be electing the 15th mayor of Zagreb as it currently states. Mccapra (talk) 04:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

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I've reverted you at List of oldest continuously inhabited cities

See my edit summaries for why, but basically lack of peer reviewed archeological sources, which extraordinary claims require. Doug Weller talk 10:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Zamolba

Imaš greške u prevodu koje se moraju skloniti sa stranica 2./3. liga pa bi molio da tako ostane. 78.0.15.144 (talk) 22:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

https://hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druga_nogometna_liga

tu bi trebala nova stranica za nižu ligu, lokalni suradnici nisu kreirali nažalost — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.15.144 (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for the help with the graph issues!

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Seha

http://www.seha-liga.com/

kako se na stranici nalazi link istočne regije ako nemaju veze po tvojoj interpretaciji?! svaki sljedeći vandalizam bit će prijavljen, dok čelnici lige ne objave koga su zbog koje invazije suspendirali i slično. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.108.206 (talk) 08:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I will repeat as last time, it is about leagues that bear a similar name but are organized by different organizations, i.e. handball associations. This is explained on the web pages, where at the bottom of each is a description of the league and its management.

The SEHA - Gazprom league consists of handball clubs from Croatia, Hungary, North Macedonia, Slovakia and Serbia. SEHA manages the SEHA - Gazprom League, a unique handball competition in which eight teams from the mentioned countries compete.

President: Mr. Božidar Đurković

Director: Mr. Siniša Ostoić

Commissioner: Mr. Marjan Nachevski

Honorary President: Mr. Mihajlo Mihajlovski

Eight handball clubs from the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus participate in the SEHA - Gazprom League "East Division".

General director: Evgeny Selemenev

Managing director: Boris Sapozhnikov

Chief referee: Viktor Poladenko

The difference is obvious and the only links are part of the league name and the link on the page. While on the page of the so-called Eastern group there is a story about the connection with an organization based in Zagreb, the page of the Southeastern European clubs does not mention the existence of the "Eastern group" anywhere. Likewise, as long as there are two such groups, it would be expected that at a certain stage of the competition there will be head-to-head matches, which according to the current calendar will not happen.

After all, this "Eastern League" exists in its own organization with its own competition system, and regardless of the fact that it is not directly related to the original league, it does not mean that it cannot have its own separate article on Wikipedia, which the member in question is more than free to create. Opatijac97 (talk) 14:50, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

So you can add new article, or even better revert edits since head to head will happen, i spoke to several clubs. In summer will see. Lastly, you keep making grammar errors, and dont understand them often! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.108.206 (talk) 16:55, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

https://sportske.jutarnji.hr/sn/sport-mix/rukomet/rukomet-seha/neizvjesna-buducnost-seha-lige-situacija-djeluje-bezizlazno-a-najgori-scenarij-svi-zele-izbjeci-15324480 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.141.217.151 (talk) 16:34, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Please provide an explanation if you're going to mass-revert edits

If you are going to mass-revert edits, please provide an explanation. According to established sources, Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin, and Serbian aren't distinct languages, but rather literary standards based on the Eastern Herzegovinian dialect of Shtokavian. To say that am ethnic group speaks one of these standards as their vernacular seems dubious to me. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 11:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

@Arctic Circle System Their pasts are intertwined, but each of the countries where these languages are spoken recognize the existence of other languages. For example, in Croatia, Croatian is the official language, while Bosnian, Montenegrin and Serbian are minority languages. It is similar in other countries, the official legislation does not deny the existence of other languages, but some nationalist groups can claim that their language is the root language, and the others are derived from it. In any case, the Wikipedia articles of each of the mentioned languages clearly define how they are separate languages and what their differences are. If you don't come from the speaking area of the former Yugoslavia, it can be really confusing and I understand that some revelations can be unclear. If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me. Opatijac97 (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not saying any one of those four standards are the root of the others, but again, those four standards are all based on the Eastern Herzegovinian dialect of Shtokavian. They're all minimally different from one another and are mutually intelligible. Look at the Declaration on the Common Language as an example of journalists, linguists, anthropologists, etc confirming this. Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin, and Serbian are not distinct languages, they are literary standards. Shtokavian, Chakavian, Kajkavian, and Torlakian are more appropriate divisions (there doesn't appear to be a consensus within the field of linguistics on how they should be classified amongst each other, i.e. some say that Shtokavian and Chakavian are one language while Kajkavian is a separate language while others say that Shtokavian and Kajkavian are one language and Chakavian is another, others say they're all different languages, etc, but that's beside the point). ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 21:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

@Arctic Circle System I was not talking about You but rather about some fractions in nations but OK. Most important thing is how are they officially classified. That means what the legislative and most of people says it is right. The declaration you mentioned was attempt buy a group of people to promote a common language between four nations, but that did not have long range. After that declaration nothing changed. Opatijac97 (talk) 23:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

From a linguistic standpoint, they are the same language, regardless of what nationalist political factions say on the subject. This has been well-established for decades. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Arctic Circle System Not really, it depends who are you asking and in which period of history. Also you cannot put as dubious things that are officially and internationally recognized by wikis and legislative. Opatijac97 (talk) 11:54, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Are they not all based on the Eastern Herzegovinian dialect of Shtokavian? Also Wikis are not reliable sources. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 17:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Arctic Circle System If wikis are not reliable that why are you ten insisting on Eastern Herzegovinian. Any way Wikis also says Eastern Herzegovinian is subdialect of shtokavian dialect. Opatijac97 (talk) 20:00, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Because multiple reliable sources say that the BCMS literary standards are based on the Eastern Herzegovinian dialect of the Shtokavian dialect group, or at least a Neo-Shtokavian dialect.

I should make a quick correction to one of my previous statements though. The Serbian literary standard is based on the dialects of Šumadija-Vojvodina and Eastern Herzegovina rather than just Eastern Herzegovina. My main point still stands, however. These are not separate languages. They are literary standards of a shared Shtokavian language, or imprecise names for the Shtokavian, Chakavian, Kajkavian, and/or Torlakian dialect groups. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2023 (UTC) Arctic Circle System (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Arctic Circle System As You said Eastern Herzegovinian is a dialect. I'm not sure that You understands the difference between term dialect and term language, so here you can see what any of that means.

• Dialect refers to a variety that is used by a particular group of speakers.
• Standard language is a variety promoted by some social group, either officially or unofficially, as the preferred form.

Also if it is not a problem I would like to know which country are You from, so I can give You some more precise example. Opatijac97 (talk) 21:11, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I do understand what the difference between a language and a dialect is. "Standard language" just refers to, as you said, a codified form of a variety or set of varieties promoted by a group. However, if a dialect group has multiple standards, that doesn't mean those standards are actually distinct languages. See the different varieties of Standard English across the Anglosphere. It's a similar situation with the BCMS standards. They're not distinct languages, but rather different standards of a common Shtokavian language. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 00:01, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@Arctic Circle System This discussion goes on endlessly, because you keep repeating things as if it is Štokavian language, and what it is not. Finally, I would like to instruct you to study other nationalities and what is registered as a language and what is not recognized. Opatijac97 (talk) 10:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not talking about how it's recognized in politics, I'm talking about what the BCMS standards are linguistically. What politicians say they are is not relevant to what they are linguistically. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 08:28, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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Croatian Parliament electoral districts

Hi!
I LOVE what you did at Croatian Parliament electoral districts for the 1st district. But, do you think that maybe this would be a better format for individual districts pages? And that we should maybe continue with the party overviews like it was done for the former districts down in the same article (which I also think is cool)? Because on the individual districts pages, the system of just listing the MPs the way they are currently listed is kinda meh, this would be much better. Either that, or I think those indiv. articles could use like an updated list of current MPs, I think it would look great in this format as well. Or we can keep doing the big/group article like you started, but just add something else to the individual ones.

I also think something like that MP table you added could be done at 2024 Croatian parliamentary election, like a big table with all MPs. On the other hand, I haven't noticed election articles going that detailed. Would it require a whole separate Results article? But, also it's just 143 (8 Minority ones already have detailed results) in Croatia. And on the 10th Sabor page, it isn't sorted by districts.

We should just think maybe how to use every one of those templates/table formats on different articles. Am I just complicating it? Thoughts? CroatiaElects (talk) 21:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Bcs I think maybe it's too much to do individual MPs on the Croatian Parliament electoral districts article, while at the same time, that's done at the individual district articles, but in a worse way...? You know what I'm saying? CroatiaElects (talk) 21:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @CroatiaElects,

I think it would be great idea to restructure both Croatian Parliament electoral districts and individual district articles. We can separate them in part where only parties will be listed and part where will be elected MPs added. Also I will upgrade the table of elected MPs so it shows coalition and party affiliation of every MP itself.

Party overviews should be also changed in some way, I'm just not sure in which way, as this things were made some time ago.

Concerning about election article, solution could be some drop down menu which would not take too much initial space but rather after opening. Opatijac97 (talk) 21:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Take this beer as an act of appreciation!

Hi! Just wanted to say I'm impressed with your additions to the Wiki, for example "the individual district articles :)" we talked about, like the Electoral district X (Croatian Parliament), I didn't realize you created those! The recent local elections work too, I'm still surprised there's articles about Split local district elections. And to also just thank u for being nice. Cheers CroatiaElects (talk) 20:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)