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Happy New Year, Ms Sarah Welch!

Happy New Year!

Ms Sarah Welch,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Apuldram (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

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@Apuldram: Same to you, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:34, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad

I started my new year by chanting the sixteen names of Narayana or Krishna and Rama. May like to improve the article. It may not be possible to take it to DYK as there is not enough text for 5x.--Nvvchar. 05:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: That is a really short Upanishad. Happy new year, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks for the greetings. I wish you the same. Can you give some info on the period of this Upanishad? I will post it on GA.--Nvvchar. 06:39, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Edwin Bryant has published some good work on it, and you can find some more content and sources to add to that article in Bryant's publications, if you wish to clean it up further for a GA nomination. For example, Kali-santarana Upanishad is a modern era Upanishad, and the first Upanishad in which the "Hare Krishna Hare Rama" maha-mantra appears. Estimated composition date: ~15th century CE. Source for both info: Edwin Francis Bryant and Maria Ekstrand (2004), The Hare Krishna Movement, Columbia University Press, ISBN 978-0231122566, page 42. (I have seen 14th- alternate estimate somewhere, and that this social singing, bhakti-style Upanishad was composed by Hindus when much of South Asia was under Islamic persecution; probably in literature on Chaitanya and Gaudiya Vaishnavism). Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 09:24, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. I have added text from the above references. It needs an additional about 300 ch for dyk which you may be able to find. Please edit and suggest a hook for DYK.Nvvchar. 08:28, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I added a little bit. Please review and revise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:02, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Possible DYK phrases: ...that the earliest known Hindu text where the widely known Hare Krishna mantra appears is a modern era text Kali-Santarana Upanishad? ALT1: ...that the famous Hare Krishna Hare Rama mantra found in Kali-Santarana Upanishad mentions goddess Radha eight times, god Krishna and god Rama four times each? ALT2: ...that a Beatles' recording by John Lenon and George Harrison of the Sanskrit language mantra verses in the Kali-Santarana Upanishad topped the music charts in Europe in 1969? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:50, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. Posted here Template:Did you know nominations/Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad.Nvvchar. 02:11, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Jabala Upanishad and other pre-3rd century CE Sannyasa Upanishads

@Nvvchar: Shifting from Yoga Upanishads, how about working on some early Sannyasa Upanishads such as Jabala Upanishad, Kundika Upanishad and Kathashruti Upanishad? These three are pre-3rd century CE, post 4th-century BCE Sanskrit texts. The Jabala is interesting, notable and beautifully composed Upanishad. Patrick Olivelle has translated all 20 of the Sannyasa group, Paul Deussen too of Jabala and Kathasruti among others. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Completed Jabala Upanishad but could not get the relevant pages of Patrick Olivelle andPaul Deussen' books from google urls.--Nvvchar. 07:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I have hard copies of both books. I will summarize them in the Jabala Upanishad article. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:27, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

I am done. Please review and revise. DYK suggestions: ... that the nearly 2000 year old Hindu text Jabala Upanishad discusses what makes Varanasi holy? ALT1: ...that the nearly 2000 year old Jabala Upanishad mentions the four stages of life in Hinduism – Brahmacharya (student), Grihastha (householder), Vanaprastha (retirement) and Sannyasa (renunciation). Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. The second hook is too long at 220 ch. There is some technical hitch in posting it on DYK page. I will try again. Revised ALT1 hook : ... that the Jabala Upanishad, the nearly 2000 year old Hindu text, states the four stages of life in Hinduism – Brahmacharya (student), Grihastha, Vanaprastha and Sannyasa (pictured)? Nvvchar. 03:26, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: The repetition of HInduism and Hindu seems unnecessary. The last four Sanskrit words may sound strange. How about ALT1 hook : ... that the Jabala Upanishad, a nearly 2000 year old text, states the four stages of life in Hinduism to be student, householder, retirement and renunciation (pictured)? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

• Posted here Template:Did you know nominations/Jabala Upanishad.Nvvchar. 05:01, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

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Kundika Upanishad

• I have started this Kundika Upanishad.Nvvchar. 14:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Ok. Pages 86-87 of this provide some translation of Kundika. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I noticed that you worked on Kaivalya Upanishad a year ago. I added some summary. You may want to review and revise, then take it to GA. Aruni and Paramahamsa Upanishads too. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:37, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

• Kaivalya Upanishad nominated on GA. Completed inputs to Kundika Upanishad and over to you for final polish.Nvvchar. 12:30, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Thanks for the note. I will work on it. Please note that the Ramanathan's 1978 translation of Kundika and other Samnyasa Upanishads has been reviewed and called "extremely poor and inaccurate" by scholars; see, for example, Olivelle's The Samnyasa Upanishads, page 7 published by Oxford University Press. We should generally consider Ramanathan as non-RS. Wherever we summarize Ramanathan translation, such as in the other 19 Samnyasa Upanishads articles, we should add a note of caution, as well as competing scholarly translations for NPOV. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:07, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I haven't forgotten Mahanarayana Upanishad, the manuscript is with me, but it is an interesting, long Upanishad that exists in three versions. The most studied is with 64 chapters, the Andhra edition has 80 chapters, while Poona edition is in 25 books. It is smaller than Chandogya and Brihadranyaka, but not as consistent in its versions. Deussen's volume 1 includes Mahanarayana translation, if you want to expand that article. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:26, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I made a few edits. Please review and revise. DYK: ...that the ancient Sanskrit text Kundika Upanishad states a man should go visit sacred places in his retirement, and take his wife with him? ALT1: ...that the ancient Hindu text Kundika Upanishad says a liberated sannyasi is free from the thought of "I" and "mine", and feels "all are myself, and I am all"? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:08, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. I will post it on DYK later in the day. As I do not get access to the full relevant texts of Olivelle and Deussen on google urls I am handicapped and am unable to contribute positively. I am trying to get the books as my personal collection as libraries close to my place do not carry them. As regards the pending GA articles or even DYKs, there is dearth of reviewers of Hindu philosophy articles and may take several months before some one picks them up. There are no users from India who are volunteering to do it. I will go slow on nominating the other two articles on GA as they may end up like Maitreyi.Nvvchar. 01:58, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

• Posted hereTemplate:Did you know nominations/Kundika Upanishad.Nvvchar. 02:44, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Mantrika Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Amritabindu Upanishad

@Nvvchar: I expanded the Amritabindu Upanishad. Please review and revise. I will try to update the Tejobindu Upanishad next. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

There are two versions here Amritabindu Upanishad. I have concentrated on 22 verses version. I have completed my inputs.--Nvvchar. 09:22, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Does it qualify for DYK? Any suggestions for hooks? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:09, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

• It has 9867 ch while 5x requirement is 9180c. My suggestion for the hook ...the Amritabindu Upanishad is notable for condemning "bookish learning" and emphasizing practice of Yoga system (pictured) which match five stages of the eight stage Patanjali's Yogasutras?--Nvvchar. 12:55, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Posted here. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:10, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.38.207 (talk • contribs)

@172.56.38.207: Thanks. Your IP address is very close to the IP address @172.56.42.111 / @Js82 account that harassed me in December, here. See you at ANI. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 09:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Already dismissed. Let it rest. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:09, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Another attempt, with a new account. Cut, paste, repeat. Dismissed again. Let it rest. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

C/u

"CU" generally means "checkuser" on Wikipedia; what does "c/u" mean? I only ever see you using the term.

On a completely different note, but it is evidence in the same article, is there any chance that you can water down your phrasing? When you turn up at these articles and rip them to pieces/reconstruct, you introduce all sorts of terms that simply are not comprehensible to the average reader. There should be no need for it. - Sitush (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Eg: "The Bhakti movement of Hinduism saw two ways of imaging the nature of the divine (Brahman) – Nirguna and Saguna.[67] Nirguna Brahman was the concept of the Ultimate Reality as formless, without attributes or quality.[68] Saguna Brahman, in contrast, was envisioned and developed as with form, attributes and quality.[68] The two had parallels in the ancient panthestic unmanifest and theistic manifest traditions, respectively, and traceable to Arjuna-Krishna dialogue in the Bhagavad Gita". Gibberish, utter gibberish. - Sitush (talk) 03:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: c/u = clean/up. c/e = copy/edit. w/l = wiki link. There are three issues with phrasing: (1) what the reliable sources state, (2) the need to avoid OR etc and respect wiki content policies, and (3) readability. I try the best I can. That Bhakti movement article, before my first edit, was in bad shape, mostly unreferenced, loads of OR, an "additional sources needed" hat tag that was 2 years old. Feel free to copyedit and change anything I add to better wording that faithfully summarizes the RS. How is your health these days? Happy new year, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Tejobindu Upanishad

@Nvvchar: I am done with my edits to Tejobindu. Please review and revise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

• I have completed my inputs to this artcile. Two paras of nomncalture section need citation. O suggest the this hook ... that the Tejobindu Upanishad expounds on the three stages of consciousness about the body, concentrated meditation (pictured) and Samadhi as an aim for a state of "complete union"? I am a bit low in working on Upanishads as I am also now working on the Wikipedia:Meetup/Women in Red/6 Women in Music World Virtual Edit-a-thon on Indian Women in Music.--Nvvchar. 04:10, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Thanks. Enjoy the edit-a-thon. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:36, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Posted here. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Nvvchar's GA nominations

• @Joshua Jonathan:, @Kautilya3:, @Iṣṭa Devatā: If time permits, please help review @Nvvchar GA noms such as Kaivalya Upanishad. @Nvvchar: not only are these three among the knowledgeable ones on Indian religions, they have a critical eye for details, and kindness/balance/persistence that a reviewer should have. They may be too busy, but might have suggestions on where to find good neutral constructive reviewers for your list of pending GAs. Perhaps, an invite on Wikipedia Hinduism or Wikipedia India page? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Pfooo... I don't know very much about the Upanishads, let alone the Kundika Upanishad. At best, I can read that article, and give my primary impressions, I'm afraid. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:13, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: Thanks. Kaivalya Upanishad which @Nvvchar created a year ago is a GA candidate, not Kundika. Any thoughts about @Nvvchar's broader implied question: how to encourage reviews of GA nominations of articles related to Indian religions/related topics? It is a specialized area as you note, even though a review in itself needn't be. Some knowledge of the field would reduce the time the reviewer needs to volunteer. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

This seems to be a good way: ask people personally. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:37, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm flattered to be asked. Unfortunately, I'm at the start of a busy semester and probably won't have much time to check all the citations in these articles. In the next few months I'll be reading almost all the Hatha manuals (including the khecarividya translation by Mallinson), Yoga Vasishta, four versions of the Gita, and a ton of Antonio DeNicholas while churning out papers. Much as I'd like to help I think pleasure reading is on hiatus for a while... Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 23:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Avyakta Upanishad

@Nvvchar: I plan to work on Avyakta in your sandbox next, since you have a draft there already, and I have the manuscript and some relevant RS on my desk. Did you come across any more reliable sources for Avyakta Upanishad since you last edited the draft many months ago? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:36, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I expanded this article with WP:RS. Left a request for it to be moved from your sandbox to the live space. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I have only made a small addition now as it has been very comprehensibly addresed by you. While posting on DYK please leave a comment on the date of transfer from my user page with reference to the url of your request for transfer as it is not noted in the edit summary.Nvvchar. 15:06, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

My hook proposal for DYK ... that the Avyakta Upanishad discussing cosmology (pictured) of evolution of the universe following creation, asserts that no one is knowledgeable about its origin, not even the creator, the Supreme Being?Nvvchar. 04:26, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: How about ...that the cosmology (pictured) in ancient text Avyakta Upanishad proposes there was nothing, then appeared light consisting of knowledge and bliss, followed by the universe? ALT1: that the ancient Hindu text Avyakta Upanishad calls Vishnu as "knowledge of one's Self", and demon as "ignorance of one's Self"? Feel free to post these, or any other hook you prefer. I will help along during the review process. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

• Nominated here Template:Did you know nominations/Avyakta Upanishad.Nvvchar. 15:55, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Yoga-kundalini Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

New articles on minor Upanishads

@Nvvchar: I have been wondering about sections and layout. The articles are longer than a stub, but between 5000 B to 10,000 B. Are they long enough for sections? Will the article be more readable with or without sections? Your thoughts? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

• The layout adopted by you is perfect. However, the length of the article at the DYK stage could be kept short to about 7000 to 8000 ch. After approval in DYK we can enlarge it for GA.Nvvchar. 12:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Updates: Sannyasa Upanishads

@Nvvchar: Updated/Created the following: Nirvana Upanishad, Naradaparivrajaka Upanishad and Kathashruti Upanishad. No rush on these, just feel free to review and revise them when you have time. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:22, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

• Too fast and many to address. Difficult for the old man to handle at such pace. Your expansion of my earlier DYKs are excellent but will post them on GA even if one of the many pending one's is approved. I hope to do all the new ones before the 7 day limit for DYK. I have started with Kshurika Upanishad. In Gopala Tapaniya the tables are difficult to reference, apart from other unreferenced text from the earlier inputs.--Nvvchar. 05:54, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: The Gopala Tapaniya tables are indeed unreferenced and strange, but someone put a lot of effort on them years ago. There is old unsourced text too in that article, needing careful source checks, and appropriate clean up. For the new articles, let us avoid S Nair's book, celextel or websites with no editorial oversight. These are non-WP:RS, carry non-peer reviewed, poor quality/incorrect translation. A few DYK will be nice. GA nicer. Let us go for quality. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

• K. Narayanasvami Aiyar' translation of Dhyanabindu Upanishad is listed under Samaveda here [1] and Krishna Yajurveda here [2]. This needs to be reconciled.Nvvchar. 14:03, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Indeed, the celextel website is wrong. I have the paper version of Aiyar's old book on my desk. On page 202, it reads "Dhyanabindu Upanishad of Samaveda". The celextel website clearly lacks editorial oversight and fact checking. Dhyanabindu is attached to Atharvaveda in Upanishad compilations found in North India, West (Poona edition) and South (Madras edition). A few such as the Telugu compilations do indeed place it in Samaveda. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:20, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Added: Yajnavalkya Upanishad, Sannyasa Upanishad, Shatyayaniya Upanishad and Parabrahma Upanishad. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:03, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Indeed, Buddhadasa discusses and contrasts Nirvana in Buddhism and Hinduism, but I don't believe the Thai Buddhist mentioned Nirvana Upanishad. Please double check, and only include it if we can find explicit reference to Nirvana Upanishad, not a general discussion of Nirvana. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:30, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

• I based it on the commentary that "the Buddha arose in the world and became the fully enlightened one, and he further discovered that the unmanifested nature which the Upanishads denominate as atman really exists." (page183) The term nirvana which is commonly used in Buddhism appears a specifically in NIravana Upanishad only. Hence O preferred to use it though the name Nirvana Upanishad is not specifically named. if you feel it is not proper to use it in the article it could be deleted.Nvvchar. 02:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar:: The roots and concept of Nirvana is a much discussed subject. The root Nir-vā is in Vedic texts, dated to be from long before Buddha's birth, and so are the ideas of liberation. Indeed, Nirvana (Nibbana) is more common in Buddhism (and Moksha is more common in Hinduism, Kailvalya in Jainism, but by no means exclusively). But all this is not related to Nirvana Upanishad text. It will be OR-synthesis to mix all this up. The Nirvana Upanishad text does mention "Soul-exists versus No-soul" theory distinction, which probably refers to Sunyavada-Buddhism theory (keep in mind, this is a sutra style text). This is noted by Olivelle in his Samnyasa Upanishad book. If you feel some Buddhist text is discussing "Nirvana Upanishad" text, please go ahead and summarize it. I will check after you are done editing the article, meditate on your additions, and if it looks uncertain I will remove it presuming I have your kind permission. For now, feel free and add whatever you deem appropriate. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:32, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Updates: Samanya Upanishads

@Nvvchar: Atma Upanishad, Sarvasara Upanishad and Paingala Upanishad articles are now live. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Updates: Vaishnava Upanishads

@Nvvchar: I also updated Nrisimha Tapaniya Upanishad and Gopala Tapani Upanishad. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I plan to work on Ramatapani Upanishad this week. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Added Maha Upanishad. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:57, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Updates: Shaiva Upanishads

@Nvvchar: I forgot to mention above that I updated a few Shaiva Upanishads as well last week: Atharvashiras Upanishad and Atharvashikha Upanishad for example. No hurry on these either. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:57, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Nada Bindu Upanishad

I have added text from Ayar's translation and from this reference [3]. There appears to be some confusion about this Upanishad which needs to be resolved.--Nvvchar. 13:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Maha Upanishad: the world is one family

@Nvvchar: I noticed the wikipedia-15 effort on DYK. The Maha Upanishad's "world is one family" DYK might be a good contribution towards that effort. If you feel the same, perhaps you can complete your revisions and review before others. We can then nominate it. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• I will do ir tomorrow. However, I have nominated Yoga Yajnavalkya on GAN as the reviwer who has approved the DYK has suggested that it is ready for GA.Nvvchar. 14:33, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Updates and new articles: Yoga Upanishads

@Nvvchar: I know you are busy with other projects and articles per your note above. You had mentioned @Redtigerxyz and you have a to-do list of minor Upanishads. FYI, I created or updated the following YU articles: Advayataraka Upanishad, Kshurika Upanishad, Dhyanabindu Upanishad, Nada Bindu Upanishad, Brahmavidya Upanishad (some additions), Shandilya Upanishad, Darshana Upanishad, Yogachudamani Upanishad and Yogashikha Upanishad. Please review and revise when you get time. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

&I have completed my inputs to all new articles here. Thanks for expanding the older articles.--Nvvchar. 03:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK nominations

I have completed my inputs to these Advayataraka Upanishad, Dhyanabindu Upanishad, Nirvana Upanishad and Yogashikha Upanishad. You may like to nominate them with the hook of your choice.--Nvvchar. 13:14, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Thanks. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:45, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Does Advayataraka Upanishad qualify for DYK? It does not meet the 5x requirement. You and I just added/updated 1.4x to 2x to the good work of @Redtigerxyz and you a year ago. Posted Dhyanabindu here. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

• Sorry about Advayataraka Upanishad. It is an approved DYK. We can post it now on GA.--Nvvchar. 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• Shandilya Upanishad, Yogachudamani Upanishad and Darshana Upanishad ‎are also done for posting on DYK.Nvvchar. 06:47, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Posted Yogashikha and Nirvana. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks.Naradaparivrajaka Upanishad is too long. The text now is adequate and I have only added a few more lines. You may like to post it on DYK.Nvvchar. 04:58, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Jabala Upanishad

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Geographical Indications in India Edit-a-thon

Hello,

CIS-A2K is going to organize an edit-a-thon between 25 and 31 January this year. The aim of this edit-a-thon is creating and improving Geographical Indications in India related articles.

Please see the event and add your name as a participant: Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Events/Geographical Indications in India Edit-a-thon

Feel free to ask if you have question(s).
Regards. --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:09, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Thanks for the invite. I studied the page. Is it primarily local handicrafts and agriculture-related – something that I can contribute very little? Or, does the scope include local Buddhist/Hindu/Jain/Sikh temples/texts/history – something that I have interest in and may be able to contribute to? To help with the former, I can dig up some suggestions for scholarly reliable sources on related history and ancient/medieval literature on handicrafts/textiles/agriculture, post on the event's talk page or sandbox you recommend, would that interest you? These WP:RS may be a useful resource for multiple articles so far proposed. Cheers to all who have signed up with the CIS-A2K effort. I hope volunteers keep gender balance in mind, as they build or expand articles next week. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• Hello, most of these are not related to temples. A few such as Madhuban arts or Pata chitra of Odisha or Klamkari of Andhra have historic references. You may also check GI Indian Gov list.
  About temples later we may come up with a temple-related edit-a-thon. --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:15, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• If you can suggest something to improve this event, as you have written above, that would be very helpful. You can directly edit the event page too, if you want. --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: I add this. Please feel free to revise, move, delete, etc. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Yoga Yajnavalkya

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK Medal

		The 10th DYK Medal
		Ms Sarah Welch , I am very happy to award here your much deserved this DYK Medal and congratulate you for the exclusive accomplishment in writing very well researched and difficult philosophical articles on Hinduism’s Upanishads (Mughal prince Dara Shikoh called it Oupanekhat in Persian language) starting with your debut article Kaushitaki Upanishad and recording your tenth DYK today with Yoga Yajnavalkya. You are heading to complete the list of another 50 articles on the same subject very soon. Great work!Nvvchar. 15:38, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. The credit for almost all of these is to the collaborative efforts of you. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Paingala Upanishad

@Nvvchar: Posted Paingala. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:21, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks.--Nvvchar. 09:52, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Maitreya Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Sarvasara Upanishad

I have completed my inputs to Sarvasara Upanishad and Kathashruti Upanishad. However, for the latter Upanishad I could only add from snippets from Oliville's book. I could not find any other acceptable text. --Nvvchar. 14:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Nominated Shandilya and Kathashruti. There are a few I hesitate from nominating, as they are similar to ones already nominated. What are your thoughts on focusing on a few unique ones? The Sarvasara and Maha are different, because former is Samanya and latter is Vaishnava. I am in favor of their nomination. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Sarvasara nominated. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:53, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

• I agree the Samanyasa Upanishads and the Yoga Upanishads have similar themes. As you have already put in a lot of effort I feel you should nominate the balance of them even if I have not contributed to them. I could not find much on Maha Upanishad. May be you could lead me to some urls which give some text which you have not already added. Two more Upanishads articles will appear on main page today evening and day after tomorrow.Nvvchar. 02:11, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I am okay with nominating a few, not all. But if you particularly want to nominate some which we worked on together, please let me know. On Maha Upanishad, some addition and explanation on vasudhaiva kutumbakam of Maha Upanishad would improve the article, please search vasudhaiva in 1, 2, 3, 4. I am reading up and meditating on Mahanarayana Upanishad, a text we discussed few months ago, I will add to it shortly. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

• may like to nominate this Paingala Upanishad with the suggested hook ... that metaphorically Paingala Upanishad compares the body to a car (pictured), intelligence as the driver, mind the reins, sensory organs the horses, sense objects the road, and the soul its traveler?Nvvchar. 05:15, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Okay. I will review then nominate the article on Monday. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 09:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Never Gyan Publishing as source, it and few other publishers are non-RS and have been flagged for plagiarism. I will clean it up. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 09:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

• I have added some text to Maha Upanishad. You may like to nominate it.Nvvchar. 13:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Maha Upanishad

@Nvvchar: Nominated Maha Upanishad. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. --Nvvchar. 01:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Mahanarayana Upanishad

@Nvvchar: I have updated the Mahanarayana Upanishad. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:22, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Do you think this [4] Ramakrishnamath's translation is usable. It has lot of commentary and reference to Gayatri mantraNvvchar. 02:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)?

@Nvvchar: if you have access to it that way, then you can refer to the page numbers there, and summarize the text. Do note that Vimalananda's 1957 translation is of one of the three manuscripts known, and it is the 80 chapter version in Vimalananda. Avoid scribd as url. In Bibliography, you could use the following. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

{{cite book|first=Swami| last= Vimalananda | year=1957| publisher = Sri Ramakrishna Math| oclc= 851208392 | isbn= 978-0702501562 | ref=harv}}

I have added some text. Considering the many veraions of this Upanishad I feel the text as presented should be adequate for DYK. The img was used in Atmabodha Upanishad. It may be nice to replace it you can another image of Mahanrayana.--Nvvchar. 14:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Nominated Nada Bindu and Mahanarayana Upanishads. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:03, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Maha Upanishad

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Atharvaveda

Thanks for the additional etymology. So, more or less, Aether, be it a sacred fire, or divine energy, all along ;). Zezen (talk) 10:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Updates: Shakta Upanishads

@Nvvchar: We are near a major milestone. Thanks to efforts of @Redtigerxyz, you and others, wikipedia now has articles on 89 Upanishads out of 108. The Sarasvati-rahasya Upanishad is now done, and awaits your revisions/edits. We may soon hit 90, as I have been collecting reliable sources, reading up and reflecting on Goddess-related Upanishads. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:24, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Tripura Upanishad done. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

My inputs to Sarasvati-rahasya Upanishad is completed. However, in this [5] it is said “an ancient text called the Saraswati Rahasya Upanishad, it is written that there are ten mantras from the vedic tradition and ten mantras from the tantric tradition that are related to this amazing plant, Brahmi." Brahmi is the "magic elixir" for …”. I don’t see it in Warrior's text? Where is it from?Nvvchar. 16:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Bahvricha Upanishad done. That was the 91st Upanishad, now live, awaiting your review/revisions. The Lewis book may not meet WP:RS requirements, I will take a look. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:24, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Nominated Saravati-rahasya. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:39, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

• In Bahvricha Upanishad the Warrier text I added is it the same Sfn book reference as I cant' see that book text on my URL. Hecne I was hesitant to add more from my Warrior reference. Maha Upanishad has appeared on main page today which coincides with the Beating Retreat parade in the evening. Thanks.Nvvchar. 01:11, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Do you have access to commentary on Bahvricha Upanishad by Gangacarana Vedantavagisa? I haven't added any summary from it yet, but it would improve the article. Tripura Upanishad is another article that needs review/another look. Vedantavagisa wrote a bhasya on Tripura Upanishad too. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

• I could not find the reference mentioned by you. Surprisingly all searches on Google leads to Brihadarnayaka Upansishad. I can only add from the Warrior's web source if it is ok with you. --Nvvchar. 06:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Go ahead. I will cross check what you add from the website, with the paper copy version I have. The DYK reviewer for Yogatattva Upanishad suggests it is probably closer to GA quality, so you may want to add it to your GA-to-do list. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:47, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in completing my inputs. I have added a few more sentences to show that I have also contributed. I suggest this hook text for dyk … that the Bahvricha Upanishad asserts that Self (soul, Atman) is a Goddess (pictured) who alone existed before the creation of the universe?--Nvvchar. 03:43, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

• Tripura Upanishad also done.Nvvchar. 10:44, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar:: Nominated Bahvricha Upanishad. I hesitate in nominating Tripura Upanishad, because it has a similar theme, though indeed with differences. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

It could probably be done without a picture.--Nvvchar. 15:31, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Nominated Tripura Upanishad with yantra image, with a hook that presents a very different aspect of this text. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:09, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. Nice hooksNvvchar. 01:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Yogatattva Upanishad

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Attributions and Dasa

Hi Sarah, Here is what I do about in-line attributions. I don't attribute facts (even though it is debatable what is a fact and what isn't). If there is scholarly consensus on an issue, I don't attribute it, because it gives the false sense that there is no consensus. And, consensus does not mean that there are occasional authors that disagree. Marginal views should not be given undue prominence according to WP:NPOV and WP:WEIGHT.

As for what dasa means, Kangle being a major translator of the Arthashastra, his view is important. However, he did not translate dasa as "servant." He merely left the word untranslated (which is always a good thing in my opinion). It would be useful to know what Kangle precisely said. Can you add a footnote with a quote in the Dasa article? Nevertheless, numerous scholars that have used Kangle's translations in their own research or texts and treated dasa as meaning slave. All the top historians of India, Romila Thapar, RS Sharma, Upinder Singh use the meaning. Even John Keay does. We can go and check others if you wish. Witzel and Parpola both state that dasa means slave in classical Sanskrit. In my view, there is scholarly consensus on the meaning of dasa up to the Mauryan period. I am happy to debate the issue if you have other views. But I think the debate should happen on the Dasa page, not elsewhere.

I am also not sure I appreciate the fact that you have left serious issues of source misrepresentation unsettled on the Dasa page and started editing other articles like Religion and Slavery. - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:05, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I feel your last allegation is a figment of your imagination and your bias in favor of one 1958 source. I have already addressed this on Dasa talk page in polite words such as "Did you miss this page etc". In Religion and slavery article, again the same issue. You had made it almost entirely based on a 1958 dated source, ignoring all the scholarly publications for last 50+ years. We both know what WP:NPOV is, and I ask that we both respect that content policy. Let us continue this discussion on respective talk pages, so that others can join in. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:17, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

(ec) Sorry, I just saw your response on Talk:Dasa, which didn't flag up on my watchlist for some reason. I will work on extracting as much information as I can about Dasa from RS Sharma's book next weekend. (My time is very limited this week.) I don't agree that Sharma's book is out of date. It would be, if other scholars have considered it and disagreed/revised/updated his content. To my knowledge, there is no other book length work that addresses these issues during the historical period in question. - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Well, there is no round about way to say this, but you are very mistaken. The 1958 book of RS Sharma is about his theories of Sudras, wherein he tries hard to interpret and fit Dasas to the focus of his book, both of which BTW have been widely researched. We just need to respect WP:NPOV, and include dissenting views, particularly in this case when the majority disagrees with Sharma. You may want to check how few scholars have cited RS Sharma in last 40 years. I ask that you respect NPOV, include all views, and take this discussion to respective articles talk pages. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:48, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sarah, I have ordered a couple of books, which should arrive by the weekend. We can get back to it afterwards. You might enjoy reading this book review [6]. - Kautilya3 (talk) 22:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Nyāya Sūtras

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DYK for Amritabindu Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Avyakta Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Tejobindu Upanishad

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Shaiva updates continued: Pancabrahma Upanishad

@Nvvchar: Created Pancabrahma Upanishad. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

I have added some text to the above article. I will leave it to you to pl answer all GA review comments on Varaha Upanishad.--Nvvchar. 15:26, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Posted this Yogatattva Upanishad for GA.Nvvchar. 15:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I edited the Varaha Upanishad text, and believe most comments are now taken care of. Please double check and fix anything I missed. The reviewer made a good comment about "add a line about what an Upanishad is" to the lead, which actually applies to all minor Upanishad articles we have created/worked on together for last few months. I added one line to the Varaha Upanishad. Please review. Adding that line would help improve all minor Upanishad articles. What are your thoughts? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

• I have nothing more to add. Please reply compliance under each of the review comments and record completion.Nvvchar. 16:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I am fine with your edits to Pancabrahma. Would you like to nominate it to DYK? hooks? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:26, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

• My hook suggestions are:

... that the Pancabrahma Upanishad recommends meditation of five faced Shiva (pictured) on "So'ham" or "I am he, He am I" to achieve moksha, the union with Brahman

ALT1 ... that according to the Pancabrahma Upanishad Shiva (pictured) who is in the heart of all beings is Sat-cit-ananda, meaning existence, consciousness?

Please go ahead and nominate.Nvvchar. 00:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Varaha Upanishad is now GA. You may like to nominate it on DYK now.Nvvchar. 01:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations. What hooks for Varaha? I doubt I have the time to nominate/QPQ for the next few days. When are the deadlines? Feel free to nominate them. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad

• Kali-Santarana Upanishad has been pulled from the DYK list. Is the controversy over?--Nvvchar. 15:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: See. The content in the book published by Princeton University Press has been appropriately challenged, and I agree that it does not make sense to retain it in the DYK list. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Devi Upanishad

Devi Upanishad is now under GA review. I have addressed most of the issues excpet Griffith, "Begat" chnage of the archaic word, meaning of "All knowing knowledge" and repetion of the definition of Brahman getting repeated here. You may like to address them, Thanks.

Kaivalya Upanishad is also under GA review. Nvvchar. 13:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I will try to help. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I have also complied to most issues of the GA review. Please have a look at the other issues of the lead. --Nvvchar. 15:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I added a little bit to both. Please review. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:03, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you very much for the excellent recasting of the two Upanishads under review. Your replies are very fine. Thanks.Nvvchar. 01:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kundika Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Varaha Upanishad

Kukkutasana

This has to be nominated on DYK. My suggestion for the hook is ... that the Varaha Upanishad (Varaha pictured) asserts the principles of Brahmavidya as tranquility, self-restraint, doing work without craving for rewards, endurance, faith and meditation? It has to be nominated within 5 days of GA approval.--Nvvchar. 01:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: My suggestions are ...that the medieval era Hindu text Varaha Upanishad discusses Yoga and mentions the Rooster pose (Kukkutasana, pictured)? ALT1: ...that the medieval era Sanskrit text Varaha Upanishad states the moksha, liberation, is the state when a man does not shrink out of fear from the world, nor the world shrinks from him of fear. ALT2: ... that the Varaha Upanishad (Varaha pictured) is a Hindu Yoga text that asserts nonviolence, truthfulness, compassion, forgiveness and non-hypocrisy are necessary Yamas (virtues)? Go ahead, nominate whatever hooks you like. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:11, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I am not able to post it as a new DYK as it leads to the old DYK nomination which was withdrawn. Can you find a way out?Nvvchar. 04:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

You may like these user boxes put it at top of you talk page and user page to monitor your DYK and GA. By end of this month you will have 25 DYKs and atleast 5 GAs.Nvvchar. 10:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Thanks. You are an optimist. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:46, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Nominated Pancabrahma Upanishad. I am having the same issue, nominating the Varaha Upanishad, as you. The process takes me to the old file. Probably starting the nomination process with Varaha Upanishad GA as step 1, like this may be the work around. If you think the DYK process rules allow that, then go ahead. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:32, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Posted Varaha Upanishad here Template:Did you know nominations/Varaha Upanishad. I have left ALT hook of the Kukkutasana for you to post. ThanksNvvchar. 12:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Kaivalya Upanishad

Congratulations! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:56, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Four Upanishads are now GA, thanks to @Nvvchar, @Redtigerxyz, others, your quick feedback weeks ago on Upanishads, plus your encouragement (with grilling and challenges when due!). Appreciated, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

It is a wonderful record for the 108 Upanishads in particular, and Hinduism in general. Two more left to complete the list of 108. I can now post two others for GA which you have mentioned earlier. Thank you.Nvvchar. 05:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Yogatattva Upanishad - GA

@Nvvchar: The Yogatattva Upanishad is now under GA review. Please address what you can, I will join in to help. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:33, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

• Mostly completed but some issues about a few authors needs to be added. Kindly check all links though I feel that I have covered all. There is one question on light and the body which needs input from you. After this is approaved we can probably post this article on FA as suggested by the reviewer. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 09:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Aren't there wiki rules that the DYK/GA/FA/etc reviewers need to be different individuals? After wrapping up Upanishads, I would be interested in working on articles on key temples and monasteries all over India and Nepal, related to various traditions of Hinduism, as well as Buddhism and Jainism. Do you have interest or a list of suggestions? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:22, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

• I am not aware of any such rule, though once I was told not to review a DYK of a user with whom I collaborated on many articles. We can probably do the Puranas, and the Sapta Puri and the related temples. By the way our Upansihads are the first to get GA status, all credit to you.Nvvchar. 03:06, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: See this: DYK and GA reviewers must be different. Did you mean Purana temples or texts? I already revised Purana and the Bhagavata Purana months ago. Perhaps texts on Natya, agriculture, etc could be interesting; such as those in these reviews. The three largest or oldest temples/monasteries in each of your states-UT, of either Hindu/Buddhist/Jain, could be interesting. @Tito Dutta: do you keep a list, or know where we can get this information? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:20, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

• Please see the template of Puranas. Though all are with blue link, many of Maha Puranas and Upa Puaranas are not covered adequately.Nvvchar. 06:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

An Award for you!

		The Good Article Barnstar
		For your work getting a string of Upanishad articles up to Good Article status! Well done! Keep it up and you and Nvvchar will soon have it as a WP:Good article topic!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:02, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Know I am one of your silent admirers. You have the highest number of DYK in wikipedia history (@Nvvchar is chasing you), 198+ Good Articles you have created (highest again in wikipedia history?), zillion articles you have contributed to.... well, you and contributors like you have created the momentum. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I appreciate it, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:29, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Aw thanks Sarah. Yeah, Nvvchar will soon overtake me ;-) In fact I'd say probably 2/3 of my DYKs involved him! That's one of the most important things you can do on wikipedia of course, inspire others to create content. That should be the central focus of the foundation, but sadly it isn't. Keep up the great work anyway!♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks for doing what a good Reviewer should do. You have set high standards for all of us to reach for. I will certainly be researching my articles more thoroughly to cover all the basis. I'm sure these very high standards have come from your recent GAs - congratulations! Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:52, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Coldwell: Thank you, not only for these kind words, but also for all the proactive cooperation in the review process. Working with @Yoninah and you is always a pleasure. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Tarasara Upanishad

@Nvvchar: Added Tarasara Upanishad. Please review/revise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:04, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Done. Suggestion for hook ... that the Tarasara Upanishad is notable for its discussion of Om for yogic meditation as Taraka or that which helps one cross from mundane into spiritual world? This tool would be useful for the word count of hooks [7]. Nvvchar. 12:22, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Nominated Tarasara. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

• We could add the img in the lead to the alt2 hook as characters of Ramayana. We can also add an img of Om in the main text and add it to the main hook.Nvvchar. 14:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: The Ramayana image is neither good quality nor clear enough for the wikipedia main page. The image of Om is of good quality but may be controversial, because this is a medieval era Vaishnava text and because better, longer, generic discussions of Om are in more ancient (~700 BCE) texts. Om is found in Tibet, Indonesian Shaivism, modern Bali, etc. where this text is unknown. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Vajrasuchi Upanishad

@Nvvchar: Added Vajrasuchi Upanishad. This is an interesting Upanishad and has a Buddhist-Hindu story behind it. So it is a bit longer, and took me sometime to go through various manuscripts and sources. Please review/revise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:50, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I have added some text and a quote. But the quote is probably not correctly formatted. Pl see.Nvvchar. 15:44, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Nominated Vajrasuchi. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Yogashikha Upanishad

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Good article barnstar

		The Good Article Barnstar
		Thanks a lot for your tireless contribution and Upanishad-related works. Tito Dutta (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

@Tito Dutta: Thank you for the kind words of encouragement. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:18, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your clean up at Sushruta Samhita, keep up the good work J8079s (talk) 01:31, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Harv errors

I assume you have the applet for detecting "harv errors." oui?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:57, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Coldwell: Non, pray tell. Merci, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

For the "lookers" and followers of this conversation = this "app" can be obtained by asking for it at the Help Desk. They will give you special instructions on how to install. Very handy tool one needs as an experienced editor. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Installed. Works. Just fixed Shandilya Upanishad. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:32, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I do believe you have the idea on "harv errors" now. Neat tool, oui? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Vajrasuchi Upanishad

I gave a different citation for: The term Upanishad means it is knowledge text that belongs to the corpus of Vedanta literature collection presenting the philosophical concepts of Hinduism and considered the highest purpose of its scripture, the Vedas. If you don't like, please revert my edit.

I use Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books = for citations, as I believe this to be simpler and quicker overall. Originally got this tool years ago from Dr. Blofeld. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Coldwell: Thank you. That tool should help me save time. Thank you also for clean/up of the ref-harv errors in some articles. Appreciated, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:20, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Sure, just wanted to give you something back for the past help you have provided for me.

Hints = When you drop in the URL of the reference, immediately before take the author's last name and place into "last name". Same goes for first name. Then be sure to click "ref=harv" at the Make citation button. Then change "harv" to "sfn" and of course the exact page number. Then list the citation under Sources. I have been using this for many years and it has always worked quick and easy for me in the long run.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. These are all wonderful productivity boosting help, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sarah and Doug, JJ and I discovered that if you use "citation" (instead of "cite book", "cite journal" etc.), it automatically enables harvard citations. No need to add "ref=harv" any more. Also, Help:Citation_tools lists a whole bunch of citation tools. I haven't explored all of them. - Kautilya3 (talk) 23:11, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks @Kautilya3. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Manasollasa

@Nvvchar: Any interest in working on ancient/medieval era texts such as the Manasollasa? There are many Hindu-Buddhist-Jain Sanskrit/Pali/Prakrit texts on arts, drama, dance, music, architecture, games/sports, textiles, agriculture, food and other topics. Very interesting texts, some beautifully composed in flowing poetry.

I hesitate in working on Puranas, as each is like a massive encyclopedia, and each comes in numerous recensions/editions; in other words, the same Purana is in very different versions, over time and across regions. The influence of most Puranas is unclear. The exception has been the Bhagavata Purana, which has been influential, and wikipedia already has an article on it. But if you have sources which suggest a particular major or minor Purana was influential, we can collaborate on creating/improving that article. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:18, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, It sounds interesting. I will make a beginning.--Nvvchar. 13:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Is the page hit software working on your talk page to know the number of hit every 12 hours. It is not working on my page for the last two weeks?--Nvvchar. 15:11, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Why? I just checked history/page hits of your talk page and Dr. Blofeld's talk page – Dr. Blofeld is ahead, with more hits!! @Joshua Jonathan's talk page gets a lot of page hits too. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:50, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• I mean the DYK article hits of our Upanishads articles.Nvvchar. 01:14, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

• I have completed my inputs to Somashvara II or Manasollasa. This reference [8]i is a Sanskrit text which may be of use to check the table and reference it. You may like to add and edit and take it to DYK.Nvvchar. 14:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Thanks. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:09, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I added a bit to the Manasollasa article. Any suggestion for DYK hook? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:59, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

• I had added a few sentences which linked to the inscription which is an img in the Somesvara III articile. Some one may say it has no linkage to any text in the article. You could make it a double though Someshwara was split which you could explain under comments. I will suggest a hook shortly. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 06:09, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

• Hook suggestion ... that the Manasollasa, an early 12th-century Sanskrit text by Someshvara III of the Kalyani Chalukya dynasty has nearly 500 verses to dances (pictured)? But you have to add the sentence in the dance section.Nvvchar. 06:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. It could also be GAN.Nvvchar. 07:42, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Manasollasa nominated. Let us let it pass through the DYK process, then may be you can nominate it to GA? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 07:45, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Niralamba Upanishad

I have completed this. You may like to add, edit and fine tune it. Img may not be appropriate. You may like to repalce it. I could not find any suitable one in Wikicommons--Nvvchar. 13:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Thanks for the note. I will work on it after Manasollasa. Indeed, the image is inappropriate, but I sense you have a creative imagination to see the fit. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:34, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Nominated Niralamba. Please review/revise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:09, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Dhyanabindu Upanishad

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kathashruti Upanishad

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

I used Gavin Flood's 2006 book

I used Gavin Flood' 2006 book "Tantric Body". I thought he was your favorite scholar?VictoriaGrayson^Talk 22:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

This book also says Smarta is a Brahmin tradition.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 23:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

@Vic: See the talk page of Smarta Tradition. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

At this point you know very well that your own books contradict you.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 23:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

@Vic: Again, read the talk page. Read the sources I listed there. Read the quotes from the sources I provided there. Let @Joshua Jonathan review and revise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Your William Jackson book also says Smartas are Brahmins.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 23:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

@Vic: Again, read the talk page. I have stated, "The term Smarta/Smartism has two contextual meanings. One, it has been a tradition (like Shakta tradition). Two, it is a term for certain Brahmins." What you are saying, "Smarta has never been a tradition, it just means certain Brahmins." If you have sources for your "Smarta has never been a tradition", you should provide it on that article's talk page. I have provided sources, quotes, and explanation there. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

A Brahmin tradition, yes. There is nothing on the talk page that supports its a non-Brahmin tradition.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 23:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Let us continue our many weeks old content dispute and discussion there. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Andal wiki Page

Why are you vandalizing the wiki page of Andal with your little western information ? I think with your little knowledge of vedic history, you should not be editing the articles in wiki corresponding to them. Research Alwars history before you start quoting western affiliated books! I have even cited the correct references but why do you keep on ignoring them ? Pushing the birth date of the saints forward does not help with your christian propaganda! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.82.214.129 (talk) 19:12, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

@183.82.214.129: The hagiographic claims of Andal being born about 3000 BCE, the Indian poetry/etc has survived for 5000 years, are strange and undue in the lead. We need to rely on recent reliable sources and scholarship, which is what @Redtigerxyz and I have recommended for last few months in that article. Yes, there needs to be a mention of the hagiographic claims in the main article, but you/new accounts repeatedly deleting recent WP:RS is unacceptable, and may invite admin sanctions against you. Welcome to wikipedia, see the discussion on the article's talk page, and you are encouraged to continue your discussion there. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

@Sarah ---Then you should post neutral point of view, saying traditional accounts put the date as 3005 BC, because that is what is mentioned in our scriptures, it does not fit the western view of the world but that is what many of Indians who are versed with oldest scriptures believe in. Just because a person wrote a book subscribing to western ideology which places birth date in 9th century does not mean, he is correct. See the wiki page of Alwars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvars. Atleast it acknowledges the traditional dates at bottom of the page, may be you should accommodate the traditional accounts in the Andal page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.82.214.129 (talk • contribs)

@183.82.214.129 : The traditional account is already accommodated. Did you miss this on Andal page? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:29, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Shandilya Upanishad

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sarah and NVV, You have been doing amazing work on the Upanishads! I never knew there was an Upanishad devoted to Yoga. Perhaps we need a sidebar template on Yoga? - Kautilya3 (talk) 10:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Nirvana Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Nadabindu Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Subala Upanishad

@Nvvchar: I have completed my review/revisions to the Ramatapaniya and Ramarahasya Upanishads. On the remaining dozen, I have a partial draft of Subala Upanishad and several sources. If you want to, please go ahead with creating Subala. Here are some WP:RS that you may find useful in creating the Subala article: 1, page 22 of 2, pages 191-192 of 3 and 4. Once you are done, I will merge in my draft/notes. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:55, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Posted here Template:Did you know nominations/Rama Rahasya Upanishad and Template:Did you know nominations/Rama tapaniya Upanishad. I will do Subala Upanishad today evening. I was trying to find references for Saubhagyalakhmi Upanishad but could not find many to fill an article. You my lead to some.Nvvchar. 06:55, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: The Saubhagya-Lakshmi Upanishad is an interesting Upanishad, but lacks enough English WP:RS. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I have not been able to do the Subala today as I am not feeling too well. Hope to do it tomorrow. By the way should not all names of Yoga Upanishads be also part of Yoga template?Nvvchar. 15:46, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

• I have completed upto seven chapters in Subala Upanishad. O am not able to continue for now as I have severe eye strain and headache. You may like to edit and add. Also suggest some of our Upanishad articles for GAN as there will be a GA cup competition to clear the backlog. We could probably even nominate Devi with a little work.Nvvchar. 15:36, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I added to the Subala Upanishad. Nominated with the following:

Hook: ... that the medieval era Sanskrit text Subala Upanishad states Vishnu is the inner self in everyone and all of the universe?

ALT1: ... that the medieval era text Subala Upanishad influenced the development of qualified monism school of Hindu philosophy called Vishishtadvaita?

ALT2: ... that the medieval era Hindu text Subala Upanishad states that there is no other means to self-knowledge other than living a virtuous life? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Posted

I have started a section here Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Planning_a_few_initiatives, could you participate and add your suggestion/feedback? --Tito Dutta (talk) 23:12, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

• Some of your Upanishad-related works need to be highlighted, see #2, #3 in the section, let's see --Tito Dutta (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: You are generous. There are many more deserving contributors. I like the initiative. I will post my thoughts in a few days. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:37, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

a few days? -- alright. --Tito Dutta (talk) 23:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Sarvasara Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Saubhagya Lakhmi Upanishad

I have completed this article. There are a few issues which need your expert views and edits. Paliwal's text which I have used in chapter 3 talks about nine chakras which do not tally with the seven chakras in Wikipedia article on Chakra. Warriror's transnational [9] of this Upanishad conforms to Palivals' text and is more elaborate but I have not used it as you do not consider celextel.org as a unreliable source. You may like to edit and finalis as appropriate.--Nvvchar. 13:14, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Is Paliwal an SPS? Why do you consider his translation as WP:RS? I suggest we move this article into a sandbox, for now. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:35, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

• Paliwal has authored many books on Hinduism (google search) and his text generally tallies with Warrier's version which has also been quoted in some books. Any way I have moved it to my user sandbox.--Nvvchar. 14:49, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Thanks. The translation does not correspond to the manuscript. Read Paliwal's Foreword. It is full of fringe claims/errors. We need to rely on peer-reviewed sources and reliable scholarship. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:27, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Paingala Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Mahanarayana Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

• Congratulations on your crossing 25 DYK milestone. Now that your article count is more than 25, most of them on Upanishads, you may like to post your numbers in this statistic page [10] so that an Admn can give you the DYK award.Nvvchar. 07:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

• @Nvvchar: Thank you. The work is its own reward. I appreciate your kind words of encouragement. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Lead co-ordinate an edit-a-thon

Here the edit-a-thon has been further discussed. I was wondering if you can lead the edit-a-thon with another editor. The current theme is "women's month" (March). --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: I wonder if I have the qualifications or experience. I have never participated or led a wiki edit-a-thon, plus my knowledge of modern India is limited and distant. So me helping a more experienced editor, on this initiative, is a good idea. I am willing to help. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:33, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• It is not that difficult . Of course we'll be there to support. It'd be great to see as a lead. --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:37, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Show the way. I will try to do the best I can. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• Being the edit-a-thon lead, these are the first-stage tasks

1. First plan a theme (March is women's month, the theme keeping India in mind may be used, or plan something which will be proposed at WT:INB);
2. Plan duration (7 days, 10 days etc, a month-long may be too long), and criteria (what to do like article creation, expansion);

--Tito Dutta (talk) 23:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Sorry for the slow response. I have been meditating on this. I would love more South Asian women participation and women-related quality articles in India space, but I feel I am in a fog. I read a few random articles directly or indirectly related to women in India/Nepal/Bhutan/etc, such as festivals, history, culture, dress, food, cosmetics, handicrafts, dances, arts. The few wiki articles I read, on these topics, are mostly unsourced or poorly sourced, and in some cases I feel loaded with misinformation. Would it make sense to do the following:

1. Create a sandbox project space(s) where potential topics are listed, either for new articles or for article improvement (similar to the one you created here).
2. Add a few columns to link reliable sources, for each proposed article
3. Once we reach a large enough list of topics, with WP:RS identified, for a specific topic area, we try edit-a-thons

I feel it is better to think through how to avoid creating more troublesome/misinformation/prejudiced/bad articles in edit-a-thons. The above steps, or something like those steps, may make the Wikipedia India/Nepal/Bhutan/Hinduism/Jainism/Buddhism space more interesting. Instead of rushing to join the March women's month initiative, I would prefer to wait till the fog clears on how to bring quality into quantity. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Highlight

Sarah and User:Nvvchar, I want to try to highlight some of recent works on Upanishads in Wikimedia Blog. I'll try to get a post on the Wikimedia Blog. If you think your recent works should be highlighted here, let's start working on. We'll create a user-subpae and there we'll jot down important points. --Tito Dutta (talk) 01:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

• Titodutta Let us do it.--Nvvchar. 01:44, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

• OK, let's wait for Sarah's response, then we'll go ahead. --Tito Dutta (talk) 05:07, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Let us hold off for a few weeks. We have some loose ends to tie in the Upanishad articles. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

• OK, inform me when you are ready. --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Women's History Month worldwide online edit-a-thon

You are invited...
	Women's History Month worldwide online edit-a-thon Host: Women in Red Sponsor: Art+Feminism 1 to 31 March 2016

--Ipigott (talk) 11:24, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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Jainism: Umaswati

@Nvvchar: Umaswati, or Umaswami, was indeed an important scholar to Jainism, and you picked well. I have made some additions. The article can be further expanded, particularly with a new Influence section. Umaswati's 2nd-century Sutras are central to the two main Jaina schools, and they were studied and commented by Buddhist scholars such as Vidyananda centuries later. The 13th-century Dvaita school founder Madhvacharya mentioned Umaswati too, favorably, a 1000 year later. You may want to look into these. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:32, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: I am done with my additions. Please feel free to revise it further, then nominate it to DYK if you wish. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:36, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Updating articles on ancient and medieval Indian scholars

@Nvvchar: Would you have any interest in updating or creating articles on ancient and medieval era Hindu/Buddhist/Jain scholars? Perhaps take a few to GA level? This link, maintained by University of Washington is a good starting point. Those which are in bold, refer to the ancient and medieval era Hindu/Buddhist/Jain scholars. You can find starting WP:RS for each here, here and here. For some of them, stub wiki articles exist, mostly unsourced. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

• Yes, let us start with a few. I may be a bit slow due to health reasons. Why not post the rest of the Upanoshads as stub articles which whatever references are available so that the template is completed with all blue links.Nvvchar. 01:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

• I have started this Umaswati. There is an issue about the 1920 source of Satishchandra. Date of his birth is also not clear. may like to resolve the issue and finalise the article.Nvvchar. 12:50, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar:: I am thinking about the stub idea for the remaining 10-12 Upanishads out of 108. How about you draft each in your sandbox, we can collaborate there to get them in a good stub format with a few WP:RS, and then invite an admin or someone experienced to make a call if they should be made live? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I have created this User:Nvvchar/Pasupatha Brahma Upanishad with all refrences I could find.Nvvchar. 12:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvcchar: I added to it. I will add a bit more summary on Jivanmukta, from the Hattangadi text and Ayyangar's translation of Pashupatabrahma Upanishad, in a few days. For other remaining Upanishad articles, let us spell the title as it is spelled in published reliable sources such as the Deussen's book. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: The Pashupatabrahma Upanishad is now live. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

• You may like to check the last para of this article Umaswati for any copy vio issue and if any, please correct it. Thanks.Nvvchar. 05:24, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: Yes, the old content, as with some Indic religion-related articles, had copyvio etc issues. I have cleaned it up. If there is still some copyvio there, please let me know from which source. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:13, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Sarasvati-rahasya Upanishad

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:01, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Re: Sikhism

I've noticed that you've had some edit war problems on the Sikh pages, let me know if I can be of help. I've added a couple of references. My speciality is trying to balance up articles. I have helped on India related articles in the past.DeludedFan (talk) 15:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

@DeludedFan: See Talk:Sikhism. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

This appears to have been a pattern with Sarah Welch's editing on Sikhism page for the last several months. Personal opinions, ad hominem attacks, and no ability to co-operate with other editors. The current edit warring is only the latest example. How long would this be allowed to last ? Pinsi281 (talk) 21:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

@Pinsi281: You are relatively a new account, opened a few weeks ago in January 2016, yet you remind me of someone, whose disruptive methods and harassment were a huge time drain on admins and other wiki contributors. See this, this and this. Just like @Js82, you are now attacking admin @regentspark's integrity with this. Don't. Let it rest. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:45, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

@Pinsi281/@Js82/etc: Now that you are blocked for abusing your editing privileges, I hope you will end your persistent harassment and abuse in wikipedia. Opening a new account is easy, but what sort of humanity/religion/spirituality teaches you to keep opening new accounts to attack/distort/be abusive/use words of violence? Let it rest. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:51, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Abuse and harassment from @Js82/@Pinsi281/etc

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Wat je zegt ben je zelf. All the best, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:56, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

More from @Js82/@Pinsi281/etc on @JJ

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@Bbb23: additional work to do here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:00, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: What would you have me do? I will hopefully be getting back to the SPI today. And please use English on Talk pages, or, if you prefer, translate anything you write below the non-English comments.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:48, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23:, @RegentsPark:, @Bishonen: Could one of you semi-protect this talk page for a month? Thank you. Reason: @Js82 remains busy, and in several past occasions the harassment and abuse on my talk page only got worse. @Bbb23: I will do the translation for @JJ, he writes, "It takes one to accuse one"; @Joshua Jonathan: Bedankt for keeping a watch and the kindness as always, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:18, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protection  Done.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23: and others, Thanks. Given the persistence, and the 6+ months that this @Js82/etc disruption and WP:TE behavior from numerous socks has been reappearing, please consider semi-protecting Sikhism article. The article has over 800 watchers, many of whom are active on a daily basis, and we should be able to improve this high traffic article with regular watchers there. The new users and IP can still make suggestions on the talk page. A semi-protection of that page may also improve the productivity of @Apuldram (who is active and a valued editor on that page), @JJ, @RP, you, I and many others. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:50, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23: literally: "What you say is what you are yourslef." Thanks for [rotecting this talkpage. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Bahvricha Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Vajrasuchi Upanishad

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Rama tapaniya Upanishad

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Tripura Upanishad

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:04, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Pancabrahma Upanishad

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC)