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kingly cabbage rolls

Remind me to give you my Italian wife's recipé for cabbage rolls (involtini di verza), though it would help if you specify whether you like the vegetarian style or the minced meat/sausage version. She cooked for 86 people in 8 hours, once, at the drop of a hat, making all of the pasta from flour, and the general verdict was that the 4/20 pie staple was on its last legs.Nishidani (talk) 20:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know whether to offer your wife my congratulations or my condolences! You can certainly offer my empathy as I've been caught out having to feed about 120 people, but that was with a day's notice.

While I've been an ovo-lacto vegetarian for nearly 40 years, it's purely on the basis of an ethical stance against commercial abattoirs, and I don't impose my values on family and friends who enjoy meat... so both types would be fun to try (so long as I can obtain the meat from my local Kosher butcher which is the real deal, as opposed to the supermarket variety).

My 'usual' cabbage rolls are the buckwheat and mushroom stuffing variety (in mushroom sauce), but I've adapted my mother-in-law's dolmade recipe and my Ukrainian stuffed vineleaf recipe for my husband's benefit (uff, these Greeks who refuse to eat anything that smells 'weird'. It took me nearly 10 years to get him to try sour cream, whereupon - shock of shocks - he discovered that he loves it!). Personally, I'm not that excited by them.

If it isn't too much of an imposition, the vegetarian variety would be greatly appreciated. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• (1)Strip off the larger enfolding cabbage leaves and have them and the heart of the cabbage simmer for a few minutes in salted hot water.
• (2) Take the large leaves and sieve off the water
• (3)blend the impasto (a) mince meat (b) one or two eggs (c) authentic grated parmigiano cheese or diced cheese of your choice (talleggio, for example)
• (4) Take the cabbage core and dice it up fine and, together with the impasto, lightly sauté the lot in a frying pan together with garlic and a few diced cherry tomatoes, adding salt and pepper.
• (5)Spread the large leaves and fill them with the resultant sautéd impasto, and skewer the folded leaf and its contents with a toothpick
• (6)Place the cabbage rolls back into a lightly oiled or buttered pan and heat over a low flame keeping them tender with dashes of white wine.
• (7) When the white plonk has evaporated, add a half a glass of vegetable broth and cook for 15 minutes under a lid.
• (8) Heat them in an oven for 5-10 minutes

For the vegetable version replace(3) the mince with finely diced carrot, parboiled peas etcand at (8) put them into the oven after adding bechamel sauce and cook for 5-10 minutes.

When you observe the resultant mess, curse my capacities as culinary dragoman, and heat up a 4n20 and apply lavish dobs of dead horse as a last-minute ersatz. Cursing the net advice will not be frowned on.Nishidani (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Nishidani. I'll try this out when I get out from under the Crimean situation (getting squished by a hefty peninsula is rough). As there aren't too many dead horses in my vicinity, I assume that relatively fresh roadkill is an acceptable substitute (compliments of a busy intersection just round the corner). I'll pick out any obvious tufts of fur.

I wonder what people will make of a recipe archive on my user page? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Just for archive hunters for recipés. I think where you live 'dead horse' or 'Phar Lap' is rhyming slang for (tomato) sauce, or what barbarians call catsnip/ketchup.:)Nishidani (talk) 08:56, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Spot on (and gesundheit)! I didn't catch the vernacular. My brain has been numbed by constant exposure to 'like' over the last couple of decades. Nowadays, I find myself wondering whether anyone under thirty-five could form a coherent sentence without it. Well, the road kill allusion isn't completely lost here. When my cabbage rolls go wrong, they're road kill (swill). Hmm, might pitch that development to Hollywood. Perfect for packaging with 'Swamp Hicks' and other gems of the same ilk they're so keen on churning out. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:31, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

швець

No problem; just fixing my own stupidity. - Altenmann >t 03:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

P.S. "Google translate" is even sillier: it translates (now) швец as 'sewer'. - Altenmann >t 03:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

LOL! Does that mean my great-grandfather was a piece of cobbling stone and not a cobbler? I suspect he wouldn't have been as advanced as an earthenware pipe. Hmm, bookmarked the book project. I must take a look at it at some point when Wikipedia quietens down. Bit of a flying pigs and 'things to do when I'm dead' project... --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Second opinion

Just wanted a second opinion on submitting the RfC on Ukraine to the WP:ANRFC. I feel it's been long enough and not more productive discussion is occurring (though Super Nintendo Chalmers just added a good comment). What say you? Ask for admin to close? EvergreenFir (talk) 22:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

You must have read my mind! I was just about leave you a message suggesting the same. Discussions on Jimbo's page have progressed to the issue of whether it's OR to split figures, so I'd say that the disputed map has been accepted as a given. It's been up long enough for other interested parties to vote and (despite some die-hard opposition) I don't think it serves anyone's interests to extend it. I don't think anyone can be held to deals about 'when it comes out in a geography book or a US governmental map'. Aside from a number of weird IP votes, I'm confident that an admin has enough in the way of reasonable arguments to find consensus for support.

If it's later decided by admin that the maps get reverted, it can't be claimed that a local RfC was the wrong approach.

PS IP 84.127.80.114 has been blocked for a week as WP:NOTHERE to give everyone a breather. He/she has a history of stirring up trouble and was being disruptive on a number of unrelated RfCs. Oh, well, there's no accounting for taste in hobbies. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay! I'll submit it to ANRFC. Frankly USChick seems to be the only vocal holdout. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:20, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I kinda understand why Jimbo didn't comment on the topic. If he ever tried, any news agency/tabloid would make horrible story and further tarnish Wikipedia's reputation of neutrality. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Understood. I think Guy Macon posted it there for experienced watchers to weigh in. If nothing else, the issue of using the map and doubling up on stats to reflect the reality has been resolved based on neutral, experienced editors/contributors drawing on policy. My main concern was in making it clear that it wasn't a popularity contest (or warring) which could be interpreted as 'Russophiles' vs 'Ukrainophiles'. Thanks for all of the work you put into keeping the discussion balanced, Sameboat. Now we can point to policy and consensus decisions when reverting anyone trying to remove stats or change the map back to the old one. Once the RfC has been closed, I'll leave a message on the Russian talk page to inform them that stats can be changed to reflect both convolutions of with and without. I noticed that they'd quickly undone most of their infobox changes and it's been left a little messy. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

New message for you

As you liked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:85.193.215.121 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.193.215.121 (talk) 08:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Replied that will get back to user (questions relating to grammar). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:31, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Per IP user's request. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:27, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I am very busy too. Slow down or even forget my trivial problem. Regards. 85.193.215.121 (talk) 06:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for being understanding. I'm keeping it marked as unfinished so that I get back to you at some point in time! The grammatical rules are convoluted in both instances. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I will solve my problem on a linguistic forum. My talk page is now empty. I hope that some admin will delete the page itself too. Perhaps I will register as a normal user because my IP can be changed at any time. Regards :-) 85.193.215.121 (talk) 16:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, I hope we see you back here with a user name! Deletion of your talk page is a little more complex as you'd need to request it. See WP:MFD for details. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

You are very nice, and your advice was really helpful. Thanks :-) 85.193.215.121 (talk) 02:03, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

RV

Revert the page to my last edit, immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavlovič (talk • contribs) 05:50, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Certainly!... once you can explain how qualifying 'disputed territory in light green' by turning it into 'disputed, uncontrolled territory in light green' is 'more precise' (or as per your edit summary on the Russia article, 'precisation'!!!???[1]) than 'disputed territory'. Please provide an example of the use of 'uncontrolled' as a legal term pertaining to territorial disputes. A person may have an uncontrolled fit of rage (such as posting uncivil demands on another contributor's talk page), but it is doesn't even resemble a legal position.

If your English is weak, please use the article's corresponding talk page to bring up points of order. Do not make up the English language as you go, then follow up on reverts with abusive remarks on the reverter's talk page. Oh, and do remember to sign your comments on all talk pages. Thank you for your co-operation and understanding. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Ukraine's anthem

Hi Iryna,

I have recently changed informtion on English page about Ukraine. As a fellow Ukrainian, you surely know that the anthem isn't "Ukraine is not dead" but "Ukraine's honour and freedom aren't dead". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.167.215 (talk) 00:41, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. I've always known it as, "Ще не вмерла Україна", but, being from the diaspora pre-independence (therefore was only the unofficial anthem, or 'Державний гімн' for us at that time). To be honest, I never even thought about checking against Ukrainian Wikipedia, where it is definitely depicted as "Ще не вмерла України і слава, і воля". I'll post a comment regarding this on the talk page, as we are meant to be depicting the official (the current state's) anthem. Feel free to join in the discussion there. I'll ping you from the comment as having been brought up by you. Thanks for contacting me directly! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hm

Can't tell if it was stupid or really stupid that I even made this: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Are_government_sources_RS_with_regard_to_issues_about_government.3F EvergreenFir (talk) 02:19, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that you've been given a disclaimer piece of advice and are unlikely to get any more from admin (although I've added it to my watchlist). All I take that to mean is that we use 'according to (fill in the blank news source)' where it's considered to be prudent.

Personally, I don't think it was a stupid move. We've had disclaimer and pass-the-buck 'advice' from admin all along the way. I'm interpreting it as a, "We're watching, but we won't intervene unless anything that obviously contravenes policy gets consensus." Admin understandably won't make a stand because that'll shove 'em right into the path of a media feeding frenzy over pushing the naughty line (as we saw with that article recently commending Wikipedia for removing the disputed region map). It's serious politics, so it has to be seen as well argued contributor decisions and not admin-led.

Sigh. All of the signals being sent seem quite clear on its being down to us to try to push ahead with making common sense consensus decisions while adhering to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. As Homer Jay would say, "Why does everything have to be so hard?"... --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to ping me if you need support[2]. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:52, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! My current worry is about the edits on Ukraine... and the Ukrainian WP admin. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Argh! Who on earth has been letting all that through? I haven't been able to keep up with all of the changes. Other than the Russia article, I've been caught up with 'while the cat's away' unprotected articles dealing with all things Eastern European. POV pushes from every side are flying thick and fast on so many articles on my watchlist that I'm like the kid in wooden clogs plugging the dam with my fingers.

All of the fairest Ukrainian & Russian admin are either completely preoccupied with the current affairs articles, or have simply stepped away 'cos they've been battling away for years and know it's not worth the grief.

I'll take a look at rewriting it the moment I'm able. Don't... think... I'll... live... long... enough... to... --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Kyrgyzstan article

Hello Iryna, My edits on Kyrgyzstan article are based on the following source http://www.stat.kg/stat.files/din.files/census/5010003.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.181.168.80 (talk) 03:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay. You need to update the references to reflect the changes as they are all still pointing to the old census statistics. If you don't know how to do this yourself, let me know. I've downloaded the PDF and can translate the statistics there and add them tomorrow (as I'm finishing up on Wikipedia for today). Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your helping, I'm still learning how to edit wiki pages properly, an it would be nice to see your translated PDF version of census. --158.181.168.80 (talk) 05:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem. I'll let you know as soon as I do it. Cheers for now. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:13, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Iryna Harpy--158.181.186.210 (talk) 07:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Iryna, pdf source file was updated for 2014 http://www.stat.kg/stat.files/din.files/census/5010003.pdf --158.181.130.221 (talk) 18:12, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Could you list the stats that need changing for me, please? I'm caught up in a lot of work at the moment and don't have the time to go through the article (or any related articles) in order to ensure that I get the details right. Once you've provided the list, I'll update it immediately. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:17, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Again Dag13

Hello Iryna Harpy. User Dag13 again started antagonistic behaviour, as you can see on this [3]article's history he has begun editing after my changes, before he had no single edit on this article. And began only reverting of my changes so please tell him to behave more adequately. Thanks. --g. balaxaZe★ 16:07, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:37, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Haphephobia edit

You recently redacted my addition of urticaria to the list of symptoms of haphephobia. Unfortunately the amount of medical sources that describe haphephobia in any detail are less than minimal, and while I've done my best to research any sources listing urticaria, specifically, there just isn't enough publication on haphephobia any to exist. However cholinergic urticaria is, itself, defined as being caused by (among other things) emotional stress. Something which, obviously, haphephobia brings. It's not really anecdotal, it's adding one known thing that stress can cause to the list of other stress-related symptoms. At the very least it should be allowed with a "citation needed" marker, if nothing else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The1truesushiboy (talk • contribs) 13:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I didn't revert until I'd tried to find citations myself but, as you say, finding up-to-date research (unless one is privy to the latest conference papers) is extremely difficult. In fact, I was going to reinstate it and tag it, as you suggest... but forgot. Thanks for reminding me! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done Reinstated and tagged for citation. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Because you thanked me...

You thanked me for one of my recent edits, so here is a heartfelt...  YOU'RE WELCOME! ...along with seventeen layers of fun because you deserve it! I sincerely hope that you enjoy your continued improvement of this awesome encyclopedia and the staggeringly huge community effort behind it! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX!

18:22, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank YOU, Paine! Looking at your user page and talk page, it seems we're of the same mind regarding hard working Wikipedians thanking each other (and constructive IP contributors) for the incredibly good work we do as a community. I love the new thank you feature. We all get wrapped up in our individual methods of contributing and it's too easy to forget that we work in solitary situations and seldom communicate unless we're a discussion (read as dispute) over content. It's wonderful to be able to acknowledge our appreciation of each other just as a pleasant reminder that our time and energy is appreciated. Keep up the great work you're doing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:34, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I will – and please, you do the same, Iryna! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 18:26, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank YOU!

How are things in Ukraineville on Wikipedia? I haven't seen cases brought to AN/I yet so I'm assuming people are working together productively. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:00, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

LOL! You should see the Eastern European sanctions list! My watchlist notifications are on rapid fire. Admin appears to be on top of their game with the edit warring and POV pushes. There's no point in an ANI when it's horrifically blatant. If an ANI is opened, decisions are made within a few hours: feel free to check through the archives if you want to give yourself a headache. Trying to prevent high calibre contributors from being blocked, sanctioned, etc. is my first priority. Thankfully, there are a few of 'the good ones' working hard on both Ukraine-related and Russian-related articles all pulling together. Aside from the reality of what's going down IRL, trying to keep other contributors neutral is hard work. People have taken absolute stances with no interest in engaging in rational discussion. Phew.

How are you holding up after the latest ANI? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that is quite a challenge to take on. I had forgotten about the Eastern Europe DS, at least you can issue warnings although I've found that some editors do not take any warnings very seriously.

There is a case on AN/I where an editor was found out to be a sock. Somewhere around 6-8 years ago, he took over someone else' existing account (Why would someone do this? I don't know) and that account was blocked after a few more years. Then, he proceeded to sock. Every time he was caught, he made over-the-top pleas for one more chance with statements like, "I will not create any new accounts, if you give me this chance I promise to NEVER do this again." Lots of talk page begging. Yet, even as he was appealing his block, he was creating accounts and socking in order to continue to edit. He was given the standard offer--don't edit/sock for 6 months, be productive on other wikis and then appeal the block--but he couldn't stop for those 6 months. He just didn't take any of the admins' warnings and advice, seriously at all. I can see why admins get cynical.

As for the latest AN/I case, I have such mixed feelings. Despite all the run-ins we had, all of the reverting, our discussions were usually civil. I'd rather see an attitude change than a topic ban but I think that discussion on AN/I went on so long, he kept digging himself into a hole. After a pile-on of evidence, he admitted he made a sourcing mistake but I think the attitude of AN/I regulars is that they don't want to go through this drawn-out process every time there is a conflict and it wasn't convincing that this problem wouldn't happen again. AN/I is very capricious, I've seen so many seemingly solid cases end up with no consensus and no action taken while in other cases, something happens during the discussion and there is sudden move to issue blocks or bans. I've seen very disruptive editors taken to AN/I and nothing has happened to them while other editors who are merely voicing a minority opinion or who are inexperienced and make mistakes are slapped down. You never know what is going to happen there. - Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 11:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I guess that's why you and I are reticent to take anything other than serious cases to ANI. I wholeheartedly agree that there's been nothing uncivil about his demeanour. All that's seen, however, are diffs and excerpts of discussions and editing behaviour that don't allow for a rounded appraisal of the contributor's general abilities. I was huffing and puffing over a simultaneous ANI where the complainant was blatantly gaming the system and, thanks to extremely spurious defence of the agitator by equally spurious personages, he's not only going to get away with it, but with pats on the back and probably a barnstar. Sheesh.

As for socks, Eastern Europe is sock heaven. I don't want to even begin to imagine how rabid some of these people must be to create a swag of sleeper accounts years before in order to pursue their POV editing. What a weird and wacky piece of cyberspace Wikipedia can be. PS I've cleared a space for you to sign as you weren't logged in. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:24, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

In case you were wondering

NatGeo still shows it as part of Ukraine and Google has a dashed border between it and Ukraine. Neither show it as part of Russia. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I've been checking Western sources for changes. Nevertheless, I think there's more than enough WP:SIGCOV to regard that as not adhering to NPOV. IMHO, the issue of the map was slogged out more than thoroughly in the RfC on the Ukraine talk page to make lack of Western depictions something of a moot point. My only real concern was that there may be overriding policies. No one's made a peep about it, so I'd take that as being that it's accepted as good coin. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

PS, what is "nx"? EvergreenFir (talk) 05:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

One of the abbreviations for dummy edit per Edit summary legend. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

FelixRosch

ping User:Reo On - User:EvergreenFir

So after reverting back to his version(s) on Ukrainian and removing the quotefarm tag from Vladimir Putin despite not fixing the quote. FelixRosch has started a conversation at Talk:Ukraine#Bold Revert Discussion, BRD, for Crimea-Russian Intervention subsection requested by EvergreenFir and other editors. Pls join and lets try to explain all the problems -- Moxy (talk) 17:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Moxy - Done. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:41, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

BRD on Ukraine Page

To Iryna Harpy; Upon request from User:Evergreen, I have initiated a BRD on the issue of the back-and-forth editing on the Ukraine page which you had previously edited. Please note that during the BRD you ought not to make further edits to the subsection on Intervention until Consensus is established following BRD rules. (With appreciation for your Thank You from a week ago). FelixRosch (talk) 15:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Everyone seems to want a small and concise version of this subsection, though the details of which items to include and which to excluded has been contested over and over during the last two months. It would significantly help if you could indicate which enumerated items above you feel should be retained and which excluded by marking them each with either SUPPORT if they are NOTABLE under WIkipedia 5 pillars, or if you OPPOSE them due to Wikipedia policy on Recentism. State as much as you can since at present only Hilltrot and myself have responded, and a neutral Admin who will close this BRD can only respond to what editors post and sign on the BRD as their opinion. Your opinion is as significant at this point as any other editor. FelixRosch (talk) 16:03, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Bon Voyage!

Have a wonderful trip, Iryna! Forget about page edit histories and noticeboards and enjoy yourself. ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Reference tools

Please see this edit that your reference tool renamed 4 named references to generic names, which is not an improvement. I'd suggest undoing those 4 renames and to be more careful in the future with this tool. Debresser (talk) 17:51, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pulling me up on this, Debresser. Sorry, my mistake! I can't believe I saved it. It wasn't even the page I was working on... --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem. Well done to you for reacting. Debresser (talk) 07:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Mongol invasion of Rus'

Hi, you reverted an edit by a user with IP adress 68.67.52.194 who gave a citation on a quote in the article. I have the same translation of the Chronicles of Novgorod and that quote is present in several chapters in one form or another.

" We know not whence they came, nor where they hid themselves again. God knows whence he fetched them against us, for our sins.";

"The same year, for our sins, unknown tribes came, whom no one exactly knows, who they are, nor whence they came out, nor what their language is, nor of what race they are, nor what their faith is; but the}' call them Tartars, and others say Taurmen, and others Pecheneg people, and others say that they are those of whom Bishop Mefodi of Patmos bore witness, that they came out from the Etrian desert which is between East and North.";

"And the Tartars turned back from the river Dnieper, and we know not whence they came, nor where they hid themselves again; God knows whence he fetched them against us for our sins."

"God alone knows who they are and whence they came out. Very wise men know them exactly, who understand books; but we do not know who they are, but have written of them here for the sake of the memory of the Russian Knyazes and of the misfortune which came to them from them."

These are all quotes from the book. I think that citation should stay.

You should, then, be able to supply me with the precise page numbers for each of the quotes. If you can, I'd be grateful and could reinstate them (even though it's contravening the use of using WP:Secondary, I can justify their usage given that, in this context, the Primary Chronicles aren't genuinely primary sources, and that no conclusions are being drawn from the direct presentation of the translations). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:03, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Sure thing.

1st quote: p.XXIV

2nd quote: p.64

3rd quote: p.66

4th quote: p.64

You can find the pdf of the book easily and check for yourself. My point is that the quote is indeed authentic since it does have a source, albeit a translation, but unless you want to site a Russian book in an English wiki article, a translation is the next best thing. 96.127.211.180 (talk) 04:51, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Uff. I actually have this translation on my hard drive. I don't know what happened to my reader when I tried searching yesterday, but it failed to pick up any of the excerpts when I searched! Hmm, one of those bizarre things that could have been resolved by rebooting, no doubt.

Due to an overload of editing and something that simple going wrong with Acrobat (grrr), it could have gone unnoticed, so my sincerest thanks for pulling me up on this. I know it shouldn't happen, but the number of IP address edits which are pure vandalism or misinformation, unsourced, etc. tends to lead to knee-jerk reactions from regular editors (if in doubt, toss it out).

I'm about to sign out for the day, but I'll reinstate all of the translations and cite the references comprehensively first thing tomorrow morning. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:05, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

No problem, I'm happy to help! I'll let you handle the editing, you seem to be in control of things. 96.127.211.180 (talk) 05:58, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

You seem to have had a birthday recently... Best wishes! Greenmaven (talk) 03:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, and cheers for noticing, Jack! Good thing you can't really fit birthday candles onto a piece of baklava. Er... okay, technically you could plug it with one. As Kylie Mole would have said, "It goes, it goes... it just goes." --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:52, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand.

You need to specify. Are you talking about previous posts? Or the current one?

If you are talking about the current one, you need to specify what in particular you are upset with. Talking in wikispeak doesn't really help me understand either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilltrot (talk • contribs) 02:07, 21 May 2014 (UTC) Hilltrot (talk) 02:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Please let's keep the discussion on your talk page. I'm answering there. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:28, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Deletions

Hi there, I deleted the pages you requested. In the future to delete your own userspace sub-pages, you do not have to go to MFD, just put Template:db-user on the page and it will be rapidly removed. Happy Editing, — xaosflux ^Talk 03:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, xaosflux! I was going to do so but, then, noted that there are instructions relating specifically to one's own user talk pages suggesting that they should be done by an administrator. I suspect that there are a number of policy and guideline pages that haven't been updated for some time still floating around (per instructions here), particularly considering that {{db-userreq}} redirects to Template:Db-u1.

Still, I'm pleased to know I that I can do this myself without looking as if I were doing something surreptitious... and I did feel a bit silly making the requests. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

A lot of pages might be out of date, but we try! Note, using the db- template doesn't actually delete the page, one of us mop-wielders still does it, just without all the paperwork! It ends up in the Speedy Deletion Queue as seen here: CAT:CSD. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

COI?

Hello Iryna, I noticed the use box on your user page

This user is a proud descendant of the Zaporozhian Cossacks.

and was wandering if there might be anything in relation to that which would constitute a WP:COI on your part?--Ubikwit ^連絡 _{見学/迷惑} 03:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Really? Did you actually bother to read anything further regarding my connection. Have you actually tracked my contributions? Allow me to suggest that you should tread with a little more care before invoking COI. My personal politics and interpretation in both cases would be that, yes, Kagan is a neocon. There is ample evidence from the dozy pseudo-liberal (er, not conservative) think tank, FA, that there are critiques of Kagan's books by other 'academics' who think he's exciting and have called him a neocon (happy to supply you with the link, if you'd like). If you care to check back through the recent RS/N archives, you'll find me arguing for the use of various RF news sources, and that the same provisos must be applied to Ukrainian news sources.

Please don't presume to have any knowledge of who I am or how I perceive politico-economic issues.

My concerns, in this instance, lie with entangling one decision as to RS in order to justify another. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

AN/I

You are being talked about here.Volunteer Marek (talk) 12:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Arbcom

I've entered evidence Evidence Talk page in relation to your conduct on discussion pages falling under the scope of the American Politics arbitration case.--Ubikwit ^連絡 _{見学/迷惑} 16:19, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

good work

Firstly I would like to thank you for your active participation and then for adding useful informations :-):-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.237.58.156 (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:55, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Tall poppy syndrome / Jante law

I did not write that it was a "parallel term"; I said it is *similar*, which is true. People interested in one are likely to be interested in the other. Editors like you who want to nitpick and bicker over the fine criteria for excluding something that is obviously similar are why I have largely stopped editing Wikipedia. Kwertii (talk) 19:20, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I've read through Jante law again, and am giving myself a trout slap. I was definitely being far too pedantic about the term. There is a distinct similarity as a sociological phenomena, so I've restored your addition. Thanks for popping by and pulling me up on the issue. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I have a question. Why is a link to a research group considered an advertisement? Our group is just a place for descendants of Nadvirna to have info on the town stored in one place. It is non profit. Thank you.

Please respect Wikipedia rules

Xx236 (talk) 09:31, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Precisely. Do NOT use article talk pages as a forum for pasting blatant POV articles and attempting to disseminate disinformation.

Perhaps you and Kathvo should consider cleaning up your own backyard before you try to pour your own rubbish into someone else's.

A few of references of interest for your perusal:
[4];
[5];
[6].
... but serious research is yet to come. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:33, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Rv:ethnic cleansing of the Circassians

Hello,

I see you just reverted the latest version of the [[7]] page. I don't see any reason why however, as me and Yalens both agreed to leave it like that until a consensus is reached. On top of that, there's so much more to fix about the version you just reverted, than about the version before it,(my version) as you might have noticed on the talk page discussion.

Regards. - LouisAragon (talk) 05:05, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

That's not exactly how I read Yalens's response. If Yalens agrees that this is his/her understanding, I'm happy to restore it to your previous version. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, the thing was he wrote me on my talk page saying he made a mistake by reverting, and wanted to leave it like that until a consensus was reached. I also told this once again, and he didn't reply anymore after my comment so we both agreed about it. [8] There are indeed some minor things that have to be added/restored, so no one will edit it in any other way before that has been finalized. Hope I made it a bit more clear like this? :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 19:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. I think, for the sake of transparency (and as a record for other editors) it's best that the article talk page be used rather than individual user pages... particularly if it gets heated. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with that. Guess he just wanted to reach me ASAP. Btw, I see you have Cossack blood and live in Australia? Interesting. My own gf has Cossack blood too (Kuban). It's nice to see people having a full conscious about their origins and/or ancestry despite being tens of thousands of miles away from that region. It's admirable for many in my opinion, especially nowadays. Regards and the best - LouisAragon (talk) 05:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Kuban Cossack lineage. Hmm, Kuban Cossacks actually haled from Zaporozhian Sich after it was razed by Catherine the Great. We could be distant relatives... That's one of the wonderful things about knowing about, and being interested in, your own history and the history of our species. We only occupy a short period of time on this planet, and the world really is a lot smaller than our egos might prefer to have it. Our forbears were responsible for both great and terrible deeds. Knowledge and assessment of the ramifications should, at least in theory, be the greatest tool at our disposal for enlightenment and progress rather than the devolution that's been taking place for more than the last 50 years. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Couldn't have said it any better. In many different ways it's utterly great that we are all unique individuals, with unique DNA, unique personalities, characters, shapes, amongst all other things, but in many other ways, especially regarding certain mindsets, I sometimes wished people were the same. Would've spared the world and every molecule on it lot of misery. Ah well, we humans are the "pinnacle of evolution". We have to take it for granted.

You could indeed be distant relatives! Are you Cossack by blood from both sides?

Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 01:24, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

100% on my mother's side, plain old Ukrainian (or Ruthenian) peasant on my father's (there's some Belarus somewhere along his lineage).

Good to see you and Yalens working so collaboratively on the article. I know it's a difficult one because there's so little documentation other than Russian secondary sources. Nice to see a serious attempt to lift it out of the POV rut it was stuck in. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:46, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's indeed nice to have found a user with whom I can collaboratively improve that article. Indeed, apart from Russian sources there ain't too much to be found about it, especially from Turkish and Iranian sources, wich are especially needed.

Interesting. Your ancestry resembles that quite closely of my girlfriend; she's full Cossack on her maternal side, and (Eastern) Ukrainian peasant/Minor Polish nobility on her paternal side.

Btw Iryna, I saw you making some edits on this [[9]] page. And as I see now, someone is trying to push a certain PoV there, namely that the Central Asian republics are confirmed as Middle Eastern American too. Sounds like total bogus and agenda pushing to me (as he didn't even bother to add the real Central Asian republics, only Afghanistan wich is South Asian and Central Asian).

Care to drop down an opinion?

- LouisAragon (talk) 23:32, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I spotted your comment there as it happens to be on my watchlist (possibly due to reverting vandalism or POV pushes by a user in the past). I can't recall actually having read the article in detail. Happy to pop in and take a look. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:40, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. First thing we have to do is revering all of it. If he has something totally new and deviatin to bring up, it's him who has to reach a WP:CON (which he won't reach as the census has never said that C.Asian republics are counted as ME). If he keeps pushing this agenda, we can bring it to the WP:ANI, but I don't think that's needed as of yet. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:13, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Louis, I've been caught up in some serious tendentious editing issues elsewhere and haven't had a chance to leave a comment on the article page. I think that the whole article is bizarre because it doesn't actually properly address what Middle East actually means in the English speaking world (i.e., that it's a complex term, and an article on the subject would need to define Middle East carefully before applying it to X number of ethnic groups living in the US would require a serious definition of X). No, I don't see it as being an ANI issue at this point. What I do think might be needed is an RfC in order that X be defined. I'll get stuck in on the article talk page as soon as I get this other issue cleared up. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

2014 pro-Russian conflict in Ukraine

Hey, [10] - I don't really get your argument here. Source for that statement is this article: [11]. Quote from there: "Russian must be made a second official language in Ukraine, and parties, movements, organizations and associations promoting radicalism should be banned, the authors also said." Russian wasn't a second official language previously, so it cannot be "restored" to such status.--Staberinde (talk) 15:48, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Quite right: I've reverted myself with a trout slap. My mind was stuck in the context rather than what was stated in the article (i.e., here, here, etc.)... but in the context of the conflict, it isn't appropriate. Cheers for pulling me up on that one! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:13, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

lets talk

i know you are pro Israel but i encourage you to open your eyes and do some research, and i m sorry but Israel hasn't won, peace treaty and surrounding and army with fewer tanks and during a ceasefire doesn't make you victorious — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.223.223.235 (talk) 18:19, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Please do not make assumptions about my political affiliations. Check the top of the article's talk page, plus read through all of the talk page archives carefully. Due to constant edit warring, the article is on the sanctions list. You would need to provide reliable source (that is, reliable secondary sources) in order to back your contention. It would also assist your case if you were to create an account. Unfortunately, IP contributors tend to be reverted or dismissed more readily than those with an account. I am leaving details as to how to create an account, plus information as to the benefits of having an account on your page. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Religion in Bulgaria

Dear fellow, you recently reverted my edit on religion in Bulgaria, saying that the image of a mosque already exists on page. Then you left a message saying that I have been engaged in a dispute which is totally wrong.I am not engaged in any content dispute. I just made a constructive edit which you reverted. Orthodoxy and Islam are the main religions in Bulgaria. There is an image of orthodox church on the top of article and there is also another image in the main section. So there is nothing wrong in placing two images of different mosques also.Septate (talk) 03:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

My sincerest apologies, Septate. I opened your talk page in order to leave a message that I'd removed the image per WP:PERTINENCE and download size of pages. The template I'd added to your talk page was intended for another user. I'm trout slapping myself, and have removed the inappropriate template. Again, apologies for the error! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Its OK. Everyone makes mistakes including me. No need for apologies.Septate (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Cheers for being gracious about it. Working on current affairs articles, as well as doing other bits and pieces simultaneously, is a Wikipedian occupational hazard! Anyway, if you think the additional pic of a mosque is appropriate for the article, feel free to revert me. I don't have any objections other than overcrowding the page. I'm wondering whether a small WP:GALLERY wouldn't be a good idea for some of the pages you've been updating. A couple of feature images are good, but (for the sake of showing off historically remarkable and beautiful architecture), a thumbnail gallery would take up the same amount of bytes, would give the text some breathing room, plus would allow readers to have a selection of various religious building to take a peek at if they're interested. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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WikiDefender Barnstar

Not in reference to any particular matter, I am grateful that a braver soul than mine dares repeatedly to demonstrate coolness under fire when my own courage melts away. Is there a barnstar or medal for that? Well, yes, pretty close. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Aw, thanks, Jim.henderson. I'm not certain that there's any bravery involved. Perhaps my inner masochist enjoys being punch-drunk. Might it be a touch of "Cool Hand Luke" syndrome? I'm not comfortable with "a failure to communicate". --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

So sorry

Dear Iryna Harpy. I am so sorry - my fingers missbehaved - and I was just wanting to look what had been said. A complete accident..... I must and will be more careful, Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 22:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC))

That's fine, Msrasnw. I suspected that it was an accident. Not to worry! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, it was not for you!

I've undone an undone post that would be directed to "Volunteer Marek", not for you, I'm sorry for that!. I'll clarify that both in the talk article "Timeline of the 2014 pro-Russian conflict in Ukraine" and in his own talk page! Sorry for mentioning you!Mondolkiri1 (talk) 00:47, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

That's okay. I was just about to leave a comment on your page to let you know I'd actually been the one to restore the content after an IP had blanked it. You were obviously confused because I'd started a basic copyedit in between that and VM's reworking of the content. Considering the speed with which edits occur, it's hardly a surprise that we get confused. No offence taken! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:08, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, Iryna, be free to write in my Talk Page! Let's be friends here, OK? Greetings Mondolkiri1 (talk) 01:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

If you have time for an obscure topic...

Check this out. Comments would be welcome: Blue Army (Poland).Faustian (talk) 14:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I've taken a cursory look. WT..? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:20, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Prenk Cali

You stated that you will copy edit Prenk Cali article a couple of months ago. Will you please be so kind to clarify if you still have intention to copy edit this article or not?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:49, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I do intend to do so. The complexion on the matter changed when edit warring began and other editors called a halt to development of the article and the fact that, as texts are written in Albanian, we don't have expertise of knowledge enough about the subject to do anything more than remove information (that is, bring it back down to stub size) and build it up again slowly in consultation with those representing opposing points of view and establish whether there is a case for presenting both interpretations, or whether one is distinctly POV and shouldn't be represented in the article.

I have a few things I have to deal with first, but will contact editor Future Perf. as to resuming creating an informative and well written article of it. I'm afraid you'll have to bear with other demands on us taking precedence, but the article is by no means forgotten. I'd certainly like to see more articles about Albania developed, but admin has the right to impose sanctions on users over topics being warred over. Apologies for the delays as I know they must be extremely frustrating. Cheers for now! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. No frustration at all. Take all the time you need. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay. As you would have noted, I've left the content you've added intact in order that it isn't left at stub level. I'd certainly interpret the language as being neutral, and the content as not being controversial. Let's see if it triggers any reactions and take it from there. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

 Note: Still retaining so it doesn't get archived until I find time to get to it. Research heavy. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)