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• False positive, IMO. Geo Swan (talk) 23:08, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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• Another false positive, IMO. Geo Swan (talk) 23:13, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Geo Swan, I think the reason I nominated it because it was a terrible article, badly written, and it needed to go. When I initially reviewed it, half the references were blogs, some of the others were 404's, and it read like an advertising skit. I put a copyedit and cleanup tag on I think, then left it for a month, and put it into the WP:AFD afterwards. Wikipedia Terms of Use have now changed relating to WP:BLP. BLP articles must now have ironclad verifiability in terms of sources, and the article didn't have it, and the fact it was written more about the ladies companies, rather than her, meant it had to go. It is worth mentioning, that WP Terms of Use no longer accept blatant advertising as it did in the past. That was the reason it was deleted. scope_creep (talk) 16:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks for your reply, as per the usual convention, I am going to reply at User talk:scope_creep. Geo Swan (talk) 16:59, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Why the big table in my talk page, and why the interest on this particular article, considering it was such a badly written article? I also think it is particularly crass to leave a comment on my talk page regarding my spelling, particularly after a days editing WP scope_creep (talk) 19:03, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Geo Swan, I never realised that I nominated it for deletion in 2013. When I originally posted it for deleted, I checked the previous Afd and noticed that the previous two keeps were from SPA accounts. scope_creep (talk) 19:12, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Geo Swan. That clearly explains why you suddenly decided at 16.23 to start looking for the article. As regards your point about the time that take to create an article, the time was spent promoting her companies mostly (>80%), not the lady. It was a clear violation of WP:NOT. If you examine the version history, which I did, you can see that four or five of the editors, are WP:SPA accounts. They are paid shills. The article was created by an advertising or PR/branding company who had a content plan, looking to promote her companies, plain and simple. Certainly there was a bunch of excellent editors who undertook copyedit, category addition, etc. That time is now wasted, not because of the work they undertook, but the nature of the article itself, which was there to promote her companies. Obviously you are going to recreate or bring back the article and that is your right. But if it ends up as an advertising article as before, then I will probably end up putting it into WP:AFD. scope_creep (talk) 20:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I want to add that during the first Afd, the two editors that voted keep were also SPA editors. scope_creep (talk) 20:44, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Geo Swan. It is may be the case that the lady is notable, but as I've pointed out before, the article as it was written was about her company, not her. I understand your comments about shills. It is probably quite easy to identify a shill or a paid editor, via their behaviour. Software can be used to easily identify them, it is difficult but not impossible. I think software of that general type is well advanced, in development. I don't know if User:Tammytoons is a SPA account, I don't know, but I don't think so.. Regarding the WP:BIAS reference, regarding the male bias; yip it worries me immensely I have been looking at the Women in Red portal, and the previous WP:BIAS gender gap effort and how it failed. I'll tell you the reason why I don't like advertising in WP, apart from the fact it is not allowed. It simply serves no purpose, except to drive the virtuous circle. It has no public good. It not like the NHS, or the police, or weights and measures crowd, or consumer rights folk, or the trading standards. All it does is subvert both the Letter and the Spirit of Wikipedia. It is a kind of bluntness, a lack of soul which drives people to spread muck on WP, without concern for anybody reading wikipedia, or Wikipeda itself. scope_creep (talk) 23:22, 29 May 2017 (UTC)