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Syed is part of name
Hi there, as your recent edit on Syed Jawad Naqvi, you removed the surname “Syed” ... Syed is name not title... if you want to remove syed from the name then remove “syed” from all article for example Syed Sajid Ali Naqvi, Syed Ali raza rizvi , Syed Aqeel-ul-Gharavi, Syed Sibit Hassan Naqvi and all which contain syed surname.... So kindly moving the page , first discuss on talk page...thank you DrMosaviSyed (talk) 05:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. Please see WP:CONSENSUS, and discuss the name prior to moving again, to establish consensus on what name the page should reside at. EggRoll97 (talk) 20:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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I am Elizabeth Helgelien and I corrected information ob my wikipedia page and for some reason it keeps getting changed back to incorrect information Getitright2024 (talk) 00:10, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Getitright2024: If you are indeed Elizabeth Helgelien, you should not be editing on a page that you have a conflict of interest with. You can read the relevant policy at WP:COI. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:12, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- why dont you want correct and accurate factual information on Wikipedia? Getitright2024 (talk) 00:14, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Getitright2024: If the information is accurate and correct, you should be able to back up your assertations with reliable sources. Given that you have failed to do so, the changes you made to the page you claim is yours are not acceptable. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:15, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- ok where do I submit the factual information/evidence? Getitright2024 (talk) 00:17, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Getitright2024: You can include it with your edit using the {{Cite}} template, but given that you have a declared conflict of interest with the article subject (by your own claim of being the subject yourself), it may be better to file an edit request. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:24, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- ok I'll have someone else do it so its actually factual for once Getitright2024 (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Getitright2024: You can include it with your edit using the {{Cite}} template, but given that you have a declared conflict of interest with the article subject (by your own claim of being the subject yourself), it may be better to file an edit request. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:24, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- ok where do I submit the factual information/evidence? Getitright2024 (talk) 00:17, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Getitright2024: If the information is accurate and correct, you should be able to back up your assertations with reliable sources. Given that you have failed to do so, the changes you made to the page you claim is yours are not acceptable. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:15, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- why dont you want correct and accurate factual information on Wikipedia? Getitright2024 (talk) 00:14, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
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When you moved Chorki to the base name you should have added a hatnote to the other use. I've now done that. Thanks, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:04, 1 September 2023 (UTC) {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}}
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International Bamboo and Rattan Organisation
Hi, please could you reconsider your close at this page? MOS:RETAIN is very clear that changes in established English variety should not be made without ties to a particular country. I disputed this move already, and this sort of thing just sows division for Jo good reason. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: I've taken another look at the closure and MOS:RETAIN, stating in part,
When an English variety's consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary.
I don't see any consistent usage for "organisation", and in fact it appears the article and sourcing present in the references section utilizes "organization". In addition, the discussion had unanimous consensus to change the article titling to "organization" from "organisation" with no objections. EggRoll97 (talk) 01:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
List of years in Georgia (country)
Would you be willing to consider a relist of this RM? The two late supporters suggest the discussion is continuing, and there may not really be a consensus. They also brought into the discussion a related RM that is still open. Also, one of the opposers invoked me (the nom) as a reason for their oppose, which merits clarification. Cheers, Mdewman6 (talk) 21:42, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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I see you've closed a requested move for Draft:While We're Young (Jhené Aiko song) to pave a way for an article by saying that it can go through AfC approval, my apologies but I don't think that was a way to go and as a NPR I believe you checked the draft's notability and if it is suitable to be in main space or not and even if it wasn't it can be AfDd or draftified. So are you suggesting I submit the draft to AfC approval or...? dxneo (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Dxneo: An objection was lodged by a fellow NPR that the article did not meet WP:NSONG, seen here. The article still needs work before being included in mainspace. EggRoll97 (talk) 17:36, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
- As I recall, a certified record is a criterion for notability thus can be stubbed, it states here that "a stub should contain enough information for other editors to expand upon it" of which I believe the above mentioned draft have. I have asked an admin about this matter here. I could have created the article directly in mainspace as I'm "autoreviewed" but I obviously could not, also would have expanded the page (a little) but I was held up thus I stubbed it, Robertsky, your thoughts on this? dxneo (talk) 18:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
- Coming back to it again, not opposed to moving (though I still have lingering doubts), but would like to hear Robertsky's opinion prior to doing so unilaterally. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
- I was taking a stricter interpretation of the various NSONG criteria, i.e.
Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts. (Note again that this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable.)
, with emphasis on the may be part. My take is that for the stub to stand, there is at least one other non-database source. Nonetheless, if there are other who thinks it can pass in its current form, sure go ahead and move it. – robertsky (talk) 05:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)- Hello robertsky and EggRoll97, I believe now the draft meets the minimum requirements listed under WP:NSONG, I was wondering if you could please move it and also make way for Draft:Sativa to Sativa (Jhené Aiko song) while you're at it. Thank you. dxneo (talk) 12:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
- I was taking a stricter interpretation of the various NSONG criteria, i.e.
- Coming back to it again, not opposed to moving (though I still have lingering doubts), but would like to hear Robertsky's opinion prior to doing so unilaterally. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
- As I recall, a certified record is a criterion for notability thus can be stubbed, it states here that "a stub should contain enough information for other editors to expand upon it" of which I believe the above mentioned draft have. I have asked an admin about this matter here. I could have created the article directly in mainspace as I'm "autoreviewed" but I obviously could not, also would have expanded the page (a little) but I was held up thus I stubbed it, Robertsky, your thoughts on this? dxneo (talk) 18:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Dxneo: @Robertsky: Moved both to mainspace. EggRoll97 (talk) 14:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks @Dxneo. I have also given my green ticks, and done some slight clean ups. The chart tables seem funky, and I can't figure what's wrong with the table when comparing to the documentation of {{single chart}}. – robertsky (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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- The copy patrol has already been reviewed as "no action needed" due to the external site being a wikipedia mirror", and the copyvio template you have put was done against policy due to there not ever being a copyvio. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 00:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The copy patrol was reviewed by you, which is problematic given that you clearly have a conflict of interest as the article's creator. EggRoll97 (talk) 01:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- except for the fact that i actually reviewed both pages and followed policy, when marking it as no action needed because policy states that if the "copyvio" is for a wikipedia mirror it does not qualify as a copyvio, and the page literally says that the article is from wikipedia. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 01:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The copy patrol was reviewed by you, which is problematic given that you clearly have a conflict of interest as the article's creator. EggRoll97 (talk) 01:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The copy patrol has already been reviewed as "no action needed" due to the external site being a wikipedia mirror", and the copyvio template you have put was done against policy due to there not ever being a copyvio. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 00:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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I don't think you need to mark the private hits as pinned - the page is patrolled frequently and the bot shouldn't be archiving the sections that are unresolved and have only been open a short period. It just adds a bit of extra (human) processing to see that the note is just saying that the section needs to be addressed, rather than about the filter it itself. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 04:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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I am asking about your move of Cosimo III de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany. Five people objected, some strongly. Four supported, one semi-supported. That seems pretty contested. How would you call that "consensus to move"? The instructions for RM closing are to default to the stable page when no consensus is reached. This page has been stable for 15 years. Where did you find consensus? Walrasiad (talk) 02:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Walrasiad: I would remind you that discussions are not a vote, and policy and guidelines generally are given more weight in such discussions. While your argument in opposition to the move, as well as others, was based primarily upon WP:NCPEER, other editors were able to make relevant references to the article titling policy as a whole, WP:SOVEREIGN, and specifically also referenced the more common name for the article subjects. While numerically the discussion was a closer call than some, the arguments of the supporters were more grounded in policy than arguments in opposition to the move. In addition, valid arguments against the applicability of WP:NCPEER were also raised, specifically that it
is explicitly about British peers, not sovereign grand dukes
. EggRoll97 (talk) 04:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)- Thank you for your reply.
- They were mistating the criteria misleadingly. There's nothing "exceptional" about British peers. The criteria in WP:NCPEER explicitly refers to European peers: "
Treat other European nobility like British nobility above, adapting for local circumstances; thus Philippe II, Duke of Orléans.
". So I don't see why you consider the assertion that it only applies to British dukes and not Italian dukes to be valid. (And BTW, these are not sovereigns - they are fiefdoms and vassals of the Holy Roman Empire, vested with imperial vicariate decrees, and owing tribute and troop contributions to the Emperor down until 1806. e.g.). - I don't want to re-argue the details here. But if the criteria is questionable or ambivalent, that doesn't seem to be sufficient for deducing "consensus". It was contested, and vigorously so. Even if you don't think there's consensus against the move, clearly there was not a consensus for it. If you found it narrower than usual, as you admit, default should have been to retain the page as is. Walrasiad (talk) 05:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Walrasiad: Thank you for the response. I didn't mean to imply that the discussion itself was an overall close call. My meaning was that while I did find that there was consensus to move the pages, strictly counting the !votes would be a close call. However, that doesn't imply a consensus not to move the pages. I of course respect that there were some who were quite passionate in their opposition, but ultimately there were stronger arguments in support of the move. If you found my closure out of process, I encourage you to take it to move review, but I respectfully stand by my closure of the discussion, and my assessment of consensus. EggRoll97 (talk) 08:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- You say you didn't find a "consensus not to move". But that's not the criteria. If there is "no consensus", then the page should remain at its most stable title. I am asking where you found a "consensus to move" rather than "no consensus". Walrasiad (talk) 19:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Walrasiad: I did not say I "didn't find a consensus not to move". I said I found a consensus to move, based on policy arguments already laid out in the discussion. Once again, if you still believe my closure was out of process, I encourage move review. EggRoll97 (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- You say you didn't find a "consensus not to move". But that's not the criteria. If there is "no consensus", then the page should remain at its most stable title. I am asking where you found a "consensus to move" rather than "no consensus". Walrasiad (talk) 19:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Walrasiad: Thank you for the response. I didn't mean to imply that the discussion itself was an overall close call. My meaning was that while I did find that there was consensus to move the pages, strictly counting the !votes would be a close call. However, that doesn't imply a consensus not to move the pages. I of course respect that there were some who were quite passionate in their opposition, but ultimately there were stronger arguments in support of the move. If you found my closure out of process, I encourage you to take it to move review, but I respectfully stand by my closure of the discussion, and my assessment of consensus. EggRoll97 (talk) 08:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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My apologies. Looks like it was a fair bit of work. I think I've got it straightened out now, after doing some research in the 1850 statutes. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Sir why you protect Siyal(caste) page this page totally wrong theory.
This source was proved siyal and chamar different caste. (1) Singh, K.S.: People of India: Odisha (2 pts), 1992, by the Anthropological Survey of India (2) Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Research and Training Institute (SCSTRTI), Odisha (3) Orissa (India). Tribal Research Bureau: Adibasi, 1969 (4) The Scheduled Caste Population in Odisha book (5) Alte, I.D.: Rural Employment of Scheduled Castes, 1992 (6) Mishra, P.K.: Harijans in Hindu and Tribal Social Structures, 1992 (7) Hunter, W.: *Orissa: Vol. II (in French)*, 2023 Das, N.K.: Odisha, 2012 (8) Pati, R.N.: Family Planning, 2008 Ramachbehera1 (talk) 04:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Ramachbehera1: I didn't protect the page, only administrators can do that. The page was protected in accordance with general sanctions authorized by the wider community, and any uninvolved administrator is able to enforce page protection, among a list of other page- and user-related sanctions, in accordance with WP:CASTE, enforced on the Siyal page as extended confirmed protection, meaning you will need a tenure of 30 days and at least 500 constructive edits to the encyclopedia in order to edit that page, seen here. EggRoll97 (talk) 20:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sir please help me how to edit this article? Ramachbehera1 (talk) 08:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- (by talk reader) @Ramachbehera1: You are not allowed. Clearly, you should not be editing Wikipedia. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sir please help me how to edit this article? Ramachbehera1 (talk) 08:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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Question about abuse of edit filters
I plan to be an edit filter helper next year on February or March of 2025, intending to assist with authoring filters using my basic knowledge of filter syntax. There is one question for me whose answer I might need to know: what is abuse of edit filters
that's listed on WP:EFH?
If this might be a private matter, feel free to email me or simply respond here. Thank you. Codename Noreste 🤔 talk 16:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Codename Noreste: Replied via email per WP:BEANS. EggRoll97 (talk) 01:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
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Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.
Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.
It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!
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Tech News: 2024-15
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Web browsers can use tools called extensions. There is now a Chrome extension called Citation Needed which you can use to see if an online statement is supported by a Wikipedia article. This is a small experiment to see if Wikipedia can be used this way. Because it is a small experiment, it can only be used in Chrome in English.
- A new Edit Recovery feature has been added to all wikis, available as a user preference. Once you enable it, your in-progress edits will be stored in your web browser, and if you accidentally close an editing window or your browser or computer crashes, you will be prompted to recover the unpublished text. Please leave any feedback on the project talk page. This was the #8 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
- Initial results of Edit check experiments have been published. Edit Check is now deployed as a default feature at the wikis that tested it. Let us know if you want your wiki to be part of the next deployment of Edit check. [1][2]
- Readers using the Minerva skin on mobile will notice there has been an improvement in the line height across all typography settings. [3]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 April. It will be on all wikis from 11 April (calendar). [4][5]
- New accounts and logged-out users will get the visual editor as their default editor on mobile. This deployment is made at all wikis except for the English Wikipedia. [6]
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On IP 62.31.29.48 talk page
Hello, I'm The Master of Hedgehogs. I noticed you reverted my edit, citing WP:BITE and WP:AGF. I use RedWarn, and if you go to warn a user with RedWarn, it states that level one warnings, like the one I applied, assume good faith. I wasn't intending on BITEing the IP, and they had received a welcome message from another user a long time ago. If you have any concerns, reach out to me on my talk page. The Master of Hedgehogs (converse) (hedgehogs) 18:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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I've sent an update about that proposed private filter accompanied with a message. Codename Noreste 🤔 𝙇𝙖 𝙎𝙪𝙢𝙖 23:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Codename Noreste: That update needs to be sent to the mailing list, please. EggRoll97 (talk) 04:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-16
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Between 2 April and 8 April, on wikis using Flagged Revisions, the "Reverted" tag was not applied to undone edits. In addition, page moves, protections and imports were not autoreviewed. This problem is now fixed. [7][8]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 April. It will be on all wikis from 18 April (calendar). [9][10]
- Default category sort keys will now affect categories added by templates placed in footnotes. Previously footnotes used the page title as the default sort key even if a different default sort key was specified (category-specific sort keys already worked). [11]
- A new variable
page_last_edit_age
will be added to abuse filters. It tells how many seconds ago the last edit to a page was made. [12]
Future changes
- Volunteer developers are kindly asked to update the code of their tools and features to handle temporary accounts. Learn more.
- Four database fields will be removed from database replicas (including Quarry). This affects only the
abuse_filter
andabuse_filter_history
tables. Some queries might need to be updated. [13]
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