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• If you want to view the whole article for editing, click the "edit this page" tab at the very top. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 01:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Yeah, I'm a newbie... Cohee (talk) 19:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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I'm still waiting for written permission from the people who sent me the photos, so I can link them. Cohee (talk) 01:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Stanley Jennings Carpenter

I moved the page back to this name because it's proper page-title syntax. Generally speaking, the subject's profession does not, by Wikipedia convention, appear in an article title. If it needs to (if there are two people with the same name, for instance), it should go in parentheses after the name. As follows, for example: John Smith (Welsh politician) and John Smith (architect), to name two of many. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you -- this makes good sense to me, though the use of parentheses doesn't flow well when used in other contexts. Or maybe there's a way around that I haven't discovered yet... I'm still on the going-up side of the wikipedia learning curve! Cohee (talk) 21:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I think what you're looking for is Wikipedia:Piped link, perhaps? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 13:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

That's it! Thank you -- Cohee (talk) 13:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Stephen Decatur Carpenter

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Speedy deletion nomination of Carl Hoppe

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.  Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 02:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:2003 LilAleeInn.jpg

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I think I fixed it, by uploading the file again and choosing the tag this time. If not, please let me know and I'll try again. Still learning the ropes... Cohee (talk) 02:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

San Antonio River Walk

Hello. I have removed the copied material from http://www.ksat.com/travelgetaways/18420940/detail.html. Please do not copy/paste material from other websites.--TParis00ap (talk) 23:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message -- can I use the link as a reference for the "citation needed"? I wasn't going to leave all the content, just the link, once I had the two references differentiated -- the 2nd reference information overlaps with the 3rd. Cohee (talk) 23:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Carpenter House, Plano, Texas

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Thanks -- I added assertion of notability, but forgot to update my talk page noting same.

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Thanks - I didn't realize I skipped that step in uploading the photo. I added the

tag -- correctly I hope. Thanks again for the notice.

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I think I fixed it -- I added the tag:

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I think I fixed it -- I added:

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I think I fixed it -- I added:

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Fixed -- added == Licensing == {{self}}

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Carpenter (surname)

FYI,

The Carpenter (surname) talk page is having an interesting discussion on what should and should not be allowed. I have asked a few admins to review and make suggestions. Jrcrin001 (talk) 06:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Fixed -- added == Licensing == {{self}}

List of Carpenter related articles

FYI

There is a discussion going on regarding disambiguation pages verses list pages.

Disambig pages do not want partial name listings. Until this is resolved, I created a list page. List of Carpenter related articles I am now stressing this instead of the disabig page for Carpenter related articles.

Jrcrin001 (talk) 14:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK: Harry Hoogstraal

Hi. I've nominated Harry Hoogstraal, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. PFHLai (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! I agree that he is worthy of being spotlighted on the front page, and I hope the nomination is approved. I have a few more tweaks for the main page, from research that is ongoing, which might result in a minor change to the wording of the hook -- thank you for putting that together and nominating him! Cohee (talk) 13:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Harry Hoogstraal==

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approved now also moved to a prep area so it should be on the main page within 2 days. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:37, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Harry Hoogstraal

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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Philip Herbert Carpenter

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Marion Carpenter

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I updated the article on Marion Carpenter. Would you be kind to look it over and fix or add to as needed? Thanks! FYI - DYKs are good! Jrcrin001 (talk) 21:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

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Horace Thompson Carpenter

The article is now at User:Cohee/Horace Thompson Carpenter. I am going to disable the categories, which should not propagate while the article is not in the mainspace. Reactivate them when you are ready to go live. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:44, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi again Cohee. There is a thread at my talk page involving the above article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the very cogent defense of moving the article to my sandbox, and thank you also for moving it to the sandbox! If the article must be restored right away, please put the version I started with back up -- the revision underway is not ready for prime time. The article has been the topic of some hate mail I've been receiving -- if it's the same person demanding the article be put back up, be prepared for some hostile interaction with an angry and controlling person. Thanks again for your help and support. Cohee (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I see no reason whatever that you should stop improving the article for one second. In fact, the whole point of the post at my talk page was to get it moved back to the mainspace, and while I declined that request (well, it read as more of a demand), stopping work on it only delays that move back.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

John Lingo

Hi I just checked out your John Lingo it obviously needs work, but I could not find any indication of major notability. Where you planning on adding more?Drewerd (talk) 15:35, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi -- Yes, I am planning on adding more! He is notable because he was active during the English Reformation in rural Wales, where the population, or at least their clergy, were mostly Roman Catholic, and the people's resistance to the reformation necessitated the Act of Uniformity in 1558. I'm working up a paragraph that addresses his apparent Scottish origin which makes his appointments in Wales noteworthy, and his disappearance from the church records which appears to be related to the enforcement of the 1558 Act as it rippled out to the more remote areas. I realize he may not be as major a figure of notability as a rockstar or politician, but to those interested in the history of rural areas of the British Isles and how religious changes affected population movement, especially to North America, he was notable, and I will support that with the additional information. Thanks for your message -- I should have the paragraph up before the end of the day.Cohee (talk) 15:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Carpenter

I know this has already been brought to your attention but please add WP:NOTABILITY to the article on Thomas Carpenter (1752-1847) as well. I have the urge to nominate both for deletion using WP:CSD#A7 or WP:AfD but I wanted to bring the issue to your attention first since you are the primary editor. In the John Lingo article the first paragraph is original research WP:OR because you have no sources to verify it. The second paragraph looks like your own analysis WP:SYN. The first paragraph says he was a Vicar in St. Hilary and the second paragraph says he practiced in Wales during the 1500s: this doesn't make him notable. This article doesn't say why he is more notable that any other vicar in Wales in the 1500s. Beyond being present during this time what did he do that makes him special or important enough to deserve an article? For Thomas Carpenter, the same issue is present—the lack of notability. I'm a veteran too but I don't see the point in having an article about myself on Wikipedia. I didn't do anything fantastic or amazing outside of the specific duties of my job. Did he win a medal of honor or a bronze star? Is there a military base named after him? What makes him more notable than any other veteran of the Revolutionary War? The second paragraph is particularly troublesome. It talks about how he manufactured glass and "witnessed a land transaction"—how is this notable? Please establish notability in these articles (for your reference, in biographical articles it is a best practice to establish significance in the opening paragraph WP:OPENPARA). //Gbern3 (talk) 18:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Re the John Lingo article: I bunched the references behind the opening line, and then expanded on them in the following paragraphs to try to make it more readable. That works well when the reader is reading for comprehension, but not for compliance with rules. The first paragraph is based entirely on the references. The second paragraph discusses the significance of his religious service detailed in the first paragraph. His service during the Reformation over 400 years ago is noteworthy to historians, as evidenced by two peer-reviewed history publications which noted it. Re the Thomas Carpenter article: Being a Quaker (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector#Religious_motives) and serving in the military is very notable. Serving as the paymaster for an entire state militia is notable. Serving as the quartermaster for a battalion of troops during a war is notable. No Medal of Honor or Bronze Star for outstanding service existed at that time, and no military base was named after him since he was not killed in action, but under the tenets of his religion and the service rendered, his military service was clearly notable and was recognized as such in the way such service was recognized during that early era. Being an early industrialist in a predominantly agricultural society is notable. The deed reference illustrates the developing web of involvement of seaboard industrialists in interstate business. I would not tag either article for deletion based on a single negative review which appears from the discussion on the talk page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:OlEnglish#Concern to be of questionable intent. I would give the articles some time to see if anyone else disputes their notability. I'm looking at this as a historian and Wikipedia user, not as a Wikipedia editor -- from a users' perspective more attention to content and less to details of style would benefit a lot of Wikipedia articles.Cohee (talk) 12:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

May I ask that you please not refer to me anonymously/in the third person—it's seems odd and/or passive aggresive. I'm the only person that left a message on OlEnglish's talk page about the articles and it wasn't a review; I was asking for a second opinion on whether my thoughts about the notability of the articles you edit was right or not. The second paragraph in John Lingo is still synthesis because there are no references provided and it's based on your thoughts (use you the word "suggest" a lot) rather than on information publised in a reliable source. Is his service noteworthy to people other than historians? That's not a broad audience to establish a case for notability. I do have a two suggestions:

1. Just in case you're not already familiar, plese take a look at WP:REFNAME to see how to format your references so that you can use one source for more than one statement. If you do this on the John Lingo article, the first paragraph won't look like original research.
2. Since you feel the Thomas Carpenter article is notable, my suggestion is that you put the rebuttals you listed above in the article. Rather than just say he was involved in glass manufacturing, state how society at the time was agricultural so the fact that he was involved in industry made him unique. The layman reader is probably not going to be familiar with 1700s history so it's important to do you like said and look at it from a user's point of view WP:AUDIENCE. I personally still don't think this makes him notable but it's better if an explanation is given because this will make his notability more plausible.

(Note: Since typing has no tone the following is going to sound rude; please don't be offended-->) As far as his jobs, paymaster/quartermaster, this doesn't make Carpenter notable. My commander is responsible for half the cargo that moves in and out of the middle east but he doesn't deserve a Wikipedia article because in a year when his tour is over somebody else is going to take his position and keep doing the same job he currently has. Carpenter being an American Revolutionary War patriot doesn't make him notable either. My commander is an American GWOT patriot and so is everybody else in the military who has been deployed. We don't all deserve articles. Saying that "being an early industrialist in a predominantly agricultural society is notable" is like saying being African-American while living in Maine is notable because everyone else is Caucasian. This random African-American is no more significant than working with glass or witnessing a land transaction. It looks like half of the sources you used are public record. If records are what back up the information you have then Carpenter just seems like an average guy. I could probably find the public records of a random minority who lives in Maine and create an article on this random person who really doesn't need one. It won't bother me if you don't use the suggestions above. You're the primary editor to the articles; I know in the end you care about how they look. I do agree with you that the articles should be given more time to breath. I'll put a notability tag on Carpenter but I will not nominate either for deletion. //Gbern3 (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

"[B]eing an early industrialist in a predominantly agricultural society is notable" is like saying being African-American while living in Maine is notable because everyone else is Caucasian" is a completely false comparison -- being Quaker is a choice, whereas being African-American is not. A revolutionary war in your own country all around you where your family and your own existence are totally at risk is infinitely different from a war half way around the world in someone else's country. He was the loggie equivalent of a CG at the Continental level, not an op staff A4. They must not be teaching basic American and military history as part of PME anymore. The criticism just doesn't make any sense -- especially adding more unsourced material, which seems like it would make the articles more liable to deletion. Cohee (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

The comment you made comparing the revolutionary war and the current war makes you seem like someone who is either really unsupportive of the men and women in uniform or incredibly detached from this war. I realize that being a veteran I may be bias and since I don't know you or know how much you know about this war I'll assume WP:GOODFAITH and explain my point-of-view as to why I'm offended (sorry for the long response below but I felt like I needed to type all this so that you could understand where I'm coming from).

To insinuate that we and our families are not as at risk because most of the action is taking place overseas is incorrect (I think) on so many levels (Note: I realize you did not say verbatim "less risk" but you did say the war was "infinitely different" which to me means the war was "opposite" as in you and your family were totally at risk in the revolutionary war but a war halfway around the world in someone else's country is infinitely different because you and your family are not totally at risk. This is how I understand your statement. If this is not what you mean, what exactly are you saying?). For example, do you think that John the Army EOD specialist deployed in Iraq disarming IEDs and UXOs is less at risk than his great great grandfather Joe who fought in the U.S. against the British. Or Jane the Marine FET leader deployed to Afghanistan protecting a female translator from suicide bombers is less at risk than Joe's wife at home waiting on her husband to come back? Do you think if I told John and Jane their existence was less at risk because they're 7000 miles away from home than Joe who was 700 miles away from home in the revolutionary war they would agree with me?

You're still totally at risk overseas. Yes both wars are different but they are different in the sense that the culture of war has changed and so have the weapons. Nuclear weapons, missiles, rockets, UXOs, IEDs, and chemical weapons didn't exist during the days of the revolutionary war. The air force didn't exist then either. Females weren't in the military and "deployment" was not apart of the vocabulary. If a country points a missile in the direction of the U.S. or drops a bomb or chemical weapon overhead, the blast radius is going to take both us and our families out. I don't think anybody who died in the blast would think they were less at risk because the missiles came from overseas rather than Florida. Just because military members deploy overseas doesn't mean war isn't "all around" them. The whole point of RED HORSE is to set-up air fields under hostile fire. They are "totally at risk" and war is literally all around them.

Keep in mind that terrorism has no national boundaries. We have a war going on in Afghanistan, another about to start in Iran, and another about to pick-up again in Korea. This whole campaign started because of the September 11th attacks which happened on U.S. soil. That was an act of war. If I told the service members at the pentagon when the plane hit that they're existence was less at risk than in the days of the revolutionary war, do you think they would agree with me? I don't think they or their family members would agree especially since planes didn't exist during the revolutionary war days. There's also the shooting that happened at the recruiting office in Arkansas, the failed bombing attempt in Times Square, and the Fort Hood shooting—all on U.S. soil. I just read an article in Stars and Strips about a soldier who was injured at the Fort Hood shooting who lost 20% of his brain mass from a bullet that went into his head. Somehow he didn't lose any of his intellect or memory but he has to get physical therapy to learn how to move the left side of his body again. So instead of fighting in one country, we're fighting on several fronts in different countries. Do you think the guys stationed at Restrepo feel their existence is less at risk because they're in Afghanistan rather than the U.S.? Do you realize the effect that PTSD has on military families, or the stress of multiple deployments on families, the suicide rate, the divorce rate, etc. So when you insinuate that the current war is less risky to people than the revolutionary war because it's over there so to speak, can you see how I would be offended and think that you don't care? Back to the original point of the conversation:

I didn't say anything about adding unsourced material. I don't know where you extracted that from my response. I can't stand unsourced articles. Those articles annoy me so much more than articles I think aren't notable. Are you talking about my suggestion that you incorporate your rebuttals in the article? If you can't find reliable sources to back-up your rebuttals, I think it's safe to say that Carpenter isn't notable. I understand the contributions of conscientious objectors to our military. When I think of "conscientious objector" the first person that comes to my mind is Desmond Doss. He went well above and beyond the call of duty. But simply doing your job, objector or not, does not make a person notable. //Gbern3 (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm a veteran of 27 years of active duty and I don't need to be lectured to about the current threat. Addressing the relevant point about adding unsourced material: you proposed that I "state how society at the time was agricultural so the fact that he was involved in industry made him unique." Yet earlier, you were critical of "synthesis because there are no references provided and it's based on your thoughts (use you the word "suggest" a lot) rather than on information publised [sic] in a reliable source" and you referred me to the "No original research" clause at WP:OR. A few unreferenced phrases may be tolerated, but more are not, and the article will be tagged, and then deleted. If I add the material, that will get them tagged, and then deleted, so what's the point of doing it? It's like spending a lot of time engaged in a fragmentary debate that's going nowhere when I could be engaged in productive work.Cohee (talk) 02:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

This is a little unrelated but I need to mention it before responding to your comment: prior to leaving a message on your talk page about Thomas Carpenter, I listed Warren L. Carpenter at WP:N/N. Another editor suggested that I nominate it for deletion because of the lack of secondary sources. I didn't do this because I don't want to discourage you. I know that may be hard to believe considering this discussion is one big long disagreement but I'm really not trying to do that. I listed that article at the notice board before our conversation about Thomas Carpenter ever began. I did not nominate it for deletion because I think you should be given the opportunity to add secondary sources first but I did tag it with {{notability}} and {{verify}} templates. Moving on:

In response to your explanation, correct, it would be synthesis because there are no references but if you add a reference it's not synthesis anymore. I still don't see why you felt I suggested you add unreferenced material. Especially since I suggested WP:REFNAME immediately before that and brought up WP:OR and WP:SYN in my first response which you quoted me on. WP:VERIFY is a core policy in Wikipedia so adding unreferenced material is not something I would promote not to mention that it would invalidate everything I said previously. If you're implying that you don't have a source for society being agricultural at the time, please don't put it on me like I'm suggesting you add it anyway. Of course, I wouldn't want you to do that. You stated your rebuttals matter-of-factly. I figured you had sources for it. I don't know why anyone would use rebuttals they can't back-up. If you have no sources for them then they're not good rebuttals.

About deletion: deletion is not that easy. It's a process and it takes time. There are three ways to delete: WP:PROD, WP:SPEEDY, and WP:AfD. If I choose to nominate Thomas Carpenter for deletion under WP:PROD it wouldn't work because the moment someone challenges, the nomination ends. PROD is for uncontroversial deletions meaning that the article is so bad or so abandoned that no one would object to its deletion. You care about Carpenter being deleted so the second you post a challenge to the PROD, it's over. The article stays and it can't be nominated under prod again. SPEEDY deletion is different. The SPEEDY criteria that would apply to Carpenter is A7 (notability). A7 makes it very clear in its guidelines that sources don't matter. The quote: "[A7] criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source..." So even under A7 speedy deletion, lack of a reference is not grounds for deletion. Lastly there's WP:AfD. AfD is basically a vote. Someone nominates an article and states at the beginning of the discussion why they think it should be deleted. Over the course of a week random editors comment keep or delete with or without an explanation, their choice. After the week is over an uninvolved admin closes the discussion based on the results of the consensus. These random editors may or may not care about sources. It's up to each individual how they vote and why they voted that way. Some people don't care as much as I do about sources. An article I wrote and nominated for WP:GA failed because the reviewer asked me to add information that I did not have a source for and I refused. I'm not kidding, full discussion here. This reviewer is an administrator by-the-way. My point is deletion is not as quick as you're making it sound. I don't want you to add unsourced information but even if you did anyway the article wouldn't be deleted that quickly. Almost all of Warren L. Carpenter is unreferenced and it hasn't been deleted—just tagged by me. Like I said earlier, you don't have to use my suggestions but please add notability (with secondary sources) to the above mentioned articles. //Gbern3 (talk) 16:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Primary sources are where secondary sources come from.

True. //Gbern3 (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The articles you tagged are about people who haven't gotten rockstar coverage on the internet. That doesn't make them not notable.

Yes, I agree. Also, true. //Gbern3 (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Notable is notable, regardless of type of source.

Not true. That’s why the WP:NOTABLE (but more specifically WP:NRVE) guideline exist. Secondary sources do matter. From WP:VERIFY ‘’If no reliable third-party sources can be found. Wikipedia should not have an article on it.’’ and ‘’Articles should be based largely on reliable secondary sources. While primary sources are normally welcome, there are dangers in relying on them.’’ From WP:SOURCES ‘’Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.’’ From WP:SECONDARY ‘’ Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources.’’ From MOS:FOLLOW ‘’Observe the style adopted by high-quality sources. Unless there is a clear reason to do otherwise, follow the usage of reliable English-language secondary sources on the subject.’’ From WP:RELY ‘’ Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources’’ //Gbern3 (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The information in the Warren L. Carpenter article, like others, is based on the references cited in the opening sentence, as is apparent when the content is compared to the references.

That may be apparent to you but it is not to the layman reader. From WP:OBVIOUS ‘’This is a crucial part of citing good sources: even if you think you know something, you have to provide references anyway to prove to the reader that the fact is true. Material that seems to naturally stem from sourced claims might not have been actually claimed.” From WP:INTEGRITY ‘’The point of an inline citation is to allow readers and other editors to check that the material is sourced; that point is lost if the citation is not clearly placed. The distance between material and its source is a matter of editorial judgment, but adding text without placing its source clearly can lead to allegations of original research, violations of the sourcing policy, and even plagiarism.’’ On a side note, your second reference only verifies the day he died which means the majority of the article is probably based on the first reference. If the bulk of the material is taken from one source this would make Warren not notable (WP:ONESOURCE) because it would prove that he does not have “significant coverage” as stated in WP:SIGCOV. //Gbern3 (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Details are added from more specific references cited subsequently.

Not a very good argument considering you only have two other subsequent references, citations 3 and 4, for the rest of the article. Your third reference is a year book so I don’t see how it can verify anything that happened after he graduated Virginia Military Institute. Your fourth source I found on Google Books but the page you cited, p.91, only verifies the year he attended the Air War College. It doesn’t verify anything else. //Gbern3 (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Other articles also use this method, but they are not tagged. No one else has said they were a problem. Cohee (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Not entirely true. Other articles using that method might not be tagged (probably because they haven’t been caught yet); however, that doesn’t make them right. From WP:CHALLENGE ‘’This policy requires that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged be attributed to a reliable published source using an inline citation‘’ and WP:BURDEN ‘’Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed.‘’ As far as no one else saying this is a problem, that’s not true. Almost all of the articles that were nominated for deletion at WP:AfD on February 16, the day you posted this response, were nominated because of notability issues or the lack of third party sources. Click here to see the February 16th log. You can skim through the first half of the nominations or do a search for the words “notability” or “sources”. Almost every nomination cited notability or lack of sources as a problem. After conducting a good faith search myself for reliable secondary sources for Warren L. Carpenter I decided to nominate the article for speedy deletion. Read the section below for a full explanation why. //Gbern3 (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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After posting Warren L. Carpenter at WP:N/N and notifying you about the other editor’s response, I waited to give you the opportunity to add more secondary sources to the article. Since you did not, I did a good faith search myself. I did not find any good sources on Google news, Google images, or Google scholar. I found poor sources on Google books and found the obituary you cited at findarticles.com. Because you copied the obituary almost verbatim it’s a WP:COPYRIGHT violation/plagiarism which is highly looked down upon in Wikipedia. Since you did not add any reliable secondary sources yourself WP:BURDEN and since this article for the most part appears to be based off WP:ONESOURCE (the obituary), lacks significant coverage, and is a copyright violation, I’m nominating it for speedy deletion under G12 {{db-copyvio}}. Sorry for the extra I’m-nominating-your-article-for-speedy-deletion message above. It’s wiki protocol to leave this standard message on the primary editor’s talk page when you nominate an article they wrote for speedy deletion. As for Thomas, I listed that article at WP:N/N just to make sure I’m not crazy. It’s good to have another opinion from an uninvolved editor anyway. There’s a discussion already going on at the talk page if you would like to participate. Since this discussion is already wicked long, I’ll stop commenting here. Please leave any other messages pertaining to the above mentioned articles at the following pages: Thomas Carpenter talk page, Thomas Carpenter notability notice board discussion, Warren L. Carpenter talk page. //Gbern3 (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I've also replied on my talk page. Best, Airplaneman ✈ 14:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Airplaneman -- I've contacted Gray to make sure she sees your response. Good response by the way -- thanks for taking the time to be helpful. Cohee (talk) 00:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Lady of Shalott, and thank you for your interest and your observation about the Aethiothemis carpenteri article. The article could be redirected to Aethiothemis solitaria, though this separate article answers the need for an article implied by the red-letter (formerly) species name on the Aethiothemis page, and not all the authorities are in agreement about the synonymy. I reworked the article a bit -- see if it makes better sense now as a standalone article. If you still think it needs to be a redirect with the naming history on the Aethiothemis page, that would be fine with me.Cohee (talk) 10:53, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it does make more sense as a stand-alone article now. Cheers, LadyofShalott 12:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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