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Hi! How do I report user 173.81.190.232 ? This user has been warned about vandalism of US TV station pages. In this user's edits to Dayton, Ohio TV pages, I think some of the edits are constructive, but the wording is ungrammatical and somewhat incorrect.

Also, in TV station categories, the digital channel number is listed. While that may be useful, wouldn't it be helpful to most Wikipedia users if the article is also categorized with the historic/analog/virtual channel number?

Thanks.

When dealing with vandalism, it's important to communicate with the user first, even if that means warning them that what they're doing isn't right. Wikipedia:Vandalism explains how to handle the problem, gives you ideas for warning templates and explains how to report them if they continue.

As for the TV station categories, there's actually an entire Wikiproject that deals with maintaining TV station articles and categories who may be able to answer your question or explain why the categories are set up that way now. You can find them at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television_Stations. Shell ^babelfish 13:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info.

Others call the user a vandal, and he/she has made quite a few contributions in TV station articles, but at least the Dayton ones seem to be in good faith, just inartfully constructed. I'll see if I can contact him and tweak his changes.

When I look at Wikipedia:Category:American TV stations by channel number, I find that the subcategories are defined as digital or low-power, all referencing that the station broadcasts on such-and-such MHz, i.e. the RF or "actual" channel. There is only one subcategory for virtual channel, "Virtual 69". Not to totally upset the apple-cart, but it would seem to make sense to provide a Virtual Category for all channels...

Are you an administrator of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television_Stations ? If not, could you please direct me to one. I've looked at Wiki's Help pages and the Project page, but I still can't figure out how to contact a particular set of administrators, as opposed to a general admin. Thanks again!

Chaswmsday (talk) 14:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikiprojects don't really have administrators, usually just editors who are interested in the area. The best way to contact them is to leave a message on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television_Stations explaining what your idea is. Shell ^babelfish 15:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll do that. Thank you! Chaswmsday (talk) 15:35, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Channel number categories

I agree with your post on WikiProject Television Stations about the virtual channel number categories. I think it is a great idea. Tlonca (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm a semi-Wiki-literate newbie, so I have little idea how to do this. It looked like the one virtual category there was forced into some kind of template that didn't quite apply to it.

Also, are there any tools to let you edit Wikipedia without using markup language? It's fun and all, but when I just cut and paste from something else, I don't know if I'm doing it "right" or just propogating an earlier error... --Chaswmsday (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at Channel 6 virtual TV stations in the United States, I just made that category. It shows up in Channel 6 TV stations in the United States as subcategory, but I can't get it to appear at the top with other channel numbers (like a new section.. similiar to low-power tv) Tlonca (talk) 19:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on WDTN. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

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I replied to your topic at ANI, hope that clears up any questions you may have. Feel free to poke me on my talkpage in the future if you need help dealing with these issues, I'm one of the easier folks to get along with in the NFC area :) -- ۩ Mask 11:28, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

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Please explain why you chose to delete and revert additions and changes I made to this article that were, in my opinion, harmless? I added no erroneous info or useless filler. I only sought to simplify the text and bring it in-line with other similar articles.

Case in point: the opening paragraph, which is too wordy (IMO) and can be shortened. Several other intros for other TV station articles, such as WBNS-TV and WEWS-TV are done in the same manner. I really don't think it was necessary to rechange that back to the version which you prefer. I also added the mention of the FCC's Sixth Report and Order, which is the reason why WHIO-TV changed channels. That has to be mentioned for factual purposes.

I welcome a dialogue with you on this matter. DreamMcQueen (talk) 17:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

• On second review, I noticed that you tweaked some of the changes/additions I made, and kept the mention of the Sixth Report and Order. However, I don't think it is necessary to bold channel numbers or mention syndicated programming. Let's face it: all TV stations pretty much air the same stuff, so I don't think it's necessary to add it unless there's something unique.

My general philospohy is to keep it simple for those who don't follow this stuff, and to add just enough for the hard-core. Please accept my apologies. DreamMcQueen (talk) 18:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: Use of Channel # Branded categories

I understand the category rational after looking at some stations in it. Strafidlo (talk) 21:36, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks! --Chaswmsday (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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If you add the airport links to all of the cities on any airport page again you will be blocked. You have no right to put my discussion with User:Snoozlepet on a full page. This was not your discussion this was mine with Snoozlepet. Get rid of it before you get blocked. There is no agreement made and again I WILL NOT tolerate any vandalism as you made, you will be blocked. Cali4529 (talk) 21:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I had to undo some of your edits to undo another users edits, you can put the notations back and all but DO NOT PUT THE LINKS IN THE CITIES UNTIL AN AGREEMENT IS MADE. Thanks!!! Cali4529 (talk) 23:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Voting for the Airport Linking Format has begun please visit Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports under the Airline/Airport Table Voting column. Thanks! Cali4529 (talk) 02:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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I found out late last night that it was my friend the whole time. I left my account logged in and he changed the pswrd. He came over to my house blah blah blah I saw he was on my account and thats it. The times I can't really explain, we were both on separate computers at my house after work and we were both on wikipedia then. With my backing of his idea on the wiki airports thats simply because he pitched that suggestion to me while we were talking and I liked it. Thanks for your concern! Aviationspecialist101 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:53, 3 February 2012 (UTC).

Thanks for your curiosity! I didn't give my friend the password I left my account logged on while I was using his computer. I am not sure what you mean by "you were always only one individual who overreacted to a perceived slight and acted disruptively." Please further explain that. And while appreciate your concern I think you are over reacting to a simple occurrence. I haven't even done anything bad to make you warrant a "loud" conversation. You can delete my Cali page, I am only using this one because my friend made enemies with my account I do not want to be affiliated with that. Aviationspecialist101 (talk) 03:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

He did change my password but I didn't give it to him. The only thing I can think of is if he saw me put it in once before. Thanks! Aviationspecialist101 (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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	Congratulations, Chaswmsday, you recently made you your 1,000th edit to articles on English Wikipedia! Thank you for helping improve airport and television related articles, and for all your contributions to the project. Keep up the great work! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 20:35, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks! It's nice to know someone's watching over us. I've felt appreciated by most of the community in airport articles; I wish I could say the same about the incivility of WP:NFCC zealots in the TV articles. It almost put me off editing at all. Someday I hope to compose a humongous discussion about NFCC with added insight about the related lack of civility, personal attacks and general lack of a collaborative spirit in case the Foundation is unaware of the "horrors" taking place, with the alleged intent of "saving" Wikipedia. Overdramatic? Yep, that's me. ;) --Chaswmsday (talk) 21:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I totally understand. On the one hand, I'm sympathetic to community-led efforts to ensure we don't get sued off the Internet for hosting illegal content. Very sympathetic – thank you, community! On the other hand, when I edit as a volunteer, I never, ever, ever get into the thickets of that stuff because I know it will ruin my day – and just because it's complicated and involves The Law^(tm), it shouldn't have to be that way. It's not exactly something the WMF can wave a magic wand over, but rest assured that your voice is not going unheard :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I may be mistaken, but as I have come to understand the arguments, it's not about hosting illegal content. The Law^(tm) generally allows for the legal fair use/fair dealing of copyright content. English Wikipedia apparently goes well beyond this, worrying about the legalities for users "downstream" from En-WP. I don't doubt there was noble intent behind this, but I believe En-WP generally fails at it. Unless I'm totally off-base in my understanding, I believe I could compose a fairly compelling set of counter-arguments to the current fair use rules, if I must quite immodestly(!) state this myself... --Chaswmsday (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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Empty comments on airports

Text in italics copied from User Talk:Magioladitis:

Magioladitis, please stop removing empty comments from airport articles; they are deliberate, as they GREATLY ease editing of the destination tables. Thanks. --Chaswmsday (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hm.... do you find it easier than just empty lines? Mclay1 has asked for this and in fact I also find the page cleaner. I 'll stop removing it from airports till we sort it out. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll stop for now removing comments on airports but I wonder how did that started for airport pages. Editors have asked me in the past to remove empty comments. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I removed all pages with the word "airport" from my list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Empty lines also change the layout of the table. Slasher-fun (talk) 17:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the change, Magioladitis. I was just about to say what Slasher-fun did. I believe I started adding empty comments to airport articles and everyone else picked up on it. I was afraid of having a non-empty comment, since that would just add to the existing density of text in these tables. --Chaswmsday (talk) 18:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Interchange neologism

Thank you for the formalization and arranging regarding my template addition. I'm going to make a note at the article's talk page, perhaps later than I should have.... Mapsax (talk) 12:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Stop Striking

As you should know, altering someones comments (like striking them) is against the rules and is severely frowned upon. The clarification I made is in response to the opening statement of the thread (on this thread) where you stated the article had been "unsourced since April 2007". This is incorrect and hence my clarification. Please stop striking my comment. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, please read that again. I was referring to directory (databases) being unsourced, yet relied on by WP:NOTDIR - not to the sourcing for List of AT&T U-verse channels. Meanwhile, I was very apprehensive about moving/removing another user's comments, that's why I took a "lesser of two evils" approach and struck them out instead. Sorry for that. --Chaswmsday (talk) 16:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Not for nothing, but in the above "edit warring" to which you responded, I was supporting the retention of an article which you seem to have worked on extensively from what I believe are poorly defined rationales for AfD. Not that it still couldn't be deleted under other rationales. You're welcome. :) --Chaswmsday (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

It was just a clarification, not really something that was to sway opinion in one way or another, just updated information. As for the 3RR warning, I would have been amiss if I didn't warn you. If Masem would have went to 3RR, I would have warned him as well (he was only at 2), so it wouldn't have just been you. I am an Equal-Opportunity Warn-er. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Please stop canvassing

Per WP:CANVASS, your posts pointing to the AT&T Uverse AFD to the other "list of channels" talk pages is not appropriate behavior. The TV project was notified at the very start as well as the village pump. --MASEM (t) 18:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Although I started out opposed to deletion, I'm actually on the fence now, due almost solely to WP:NOTADVERTISING as a rationale.

Some of the pages to which I posted had already been retained after their own previous AfD discussions.

As CANVASS states, my posts were "done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus". How many editors, out of the entire WP Community, actually spend significant time at Village Pump or a Project page? Since I first started participating in WP discussions, I've found a HUGE self-selection bias in the talk pages - IMO, a major and likely hard-to-avoid flaw in WP. These posts didn't go directly to editors and thus shouldn't pull in uninformed ones, but ones concerned enough to occasionally check a relevant article's talk page and to know how to participate in a discussion. In other words, editors who are slightly less geeky than us. :) --Chaswmsday (talk) 19:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

And that's exactly against canvassing. By posting on article talk pages that will be affected by the AFD, you have created a bias. --MASEM (t) 19:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

How so? By informing editors that pages in which they've shown an interest might have something interesting happen to them?? To paraphrase Stephen Colbert (wikiquote:Reality), "reality has a well-known bias". Those talk pages mightly easily be read by editors who have always wanted to delete an article, but are only now emboldened by this AfD to do so. Answer me this: don't you usually run into a similar subset of hardcore editors during an intense WP discussion? I know that I do. --Chaswmsday (talk) 20:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Yup, that's how we define canvassing. We use only a few messages at the broadest points of interest to draw readers for comment, not masses of individual pages or users. --MASEM (t) 21:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I can see how it could be interpreted as pro-keep, given that an editor interested enough to watch a page is probably more likely to be interested in its content than a pro-delete editor would be. OTOH, I do find the participants in talk pages to be highly self-selected, generally with some overarching goal other than a particular interest in the article topic... --Chaswmsday (talk) 21:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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Futility

It doesn't matter what we say in regards to the TV pages. They've made up their minds and they'll steam roller over anything in opposition. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 18:43, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I've dealt with that kind of editor many times. If you'll note, I'm still waiting on an answer as to how List of Playstation games is not 100% analagous to this AfD. --Chaswmsday (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Fear not. You'll be told it doesn't matter. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 18:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Where is the summary that justifies why the pages were deleted? The AFD discussion certainly did not achieve consensus. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I asked that question at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/List of DirecTV channels (2nd nomination)#Result: delete. --Chaswmsday (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Your rebuttal of the deletion rationale was very eloquent. As I kept saying, it was mostly "I don't like it" and there was the 'our articles are awesome. you're meanies for drawing parallels' business as well. You forgot to mention that the discussion went on for about 10 days, was closed without consensus, then suddenly reopened, which was clearly to favor the deletionists and buy them time. Will you be appealing the deletions? - Canadian Bobby (talk) 14:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Bobby. I don't enjoy arguing with other editors about a sub-topic of TV articles in which I'm not particularly interested. I'd prefer that someone else take the lead in shepherding these discussions. However, I am willing to post to WP:Deletion review, and also I could post to the TV Project an alternative that @Masem (perhaps inadvertently) guided me toward. --Chaswmsday (talk) 14:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, added to Deletion Review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 October 29#List of DirecTV channels and made alternate suggestion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Channel lineups for comparison and contrast. Now please take the reins... --Chaswmsday (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I was just suggesting it as a possibility. You moved a lot faster than I thought you would. I was caught unawares :-) - Canadian Bobby (talk) 18:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

over/underlinking

Could you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Linking#What_generally_should_not_be_linked_--_can_we_bring_this_to_closure.3F

The "one link" rule/enforcement has gotten out of hand, I'm trying to get something closer to rationality. I need any refinements to the proposal, and your support. Thanks Boundlessly (talk) 21:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure. --Chaswmsday (talk) 16:04, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Chaswmsday. As a recent contributor to discussion on the WP:NOTADVERTISING policy, I was wondering if you could perhaps help clarify a related issue? Does including an image of a particular brand of a given country's main export constitute advertising (i.e. does it breach that policy)? I ask because an editor has suggested that adding this photo of Ethiopian Blessed Coffee brand bags by the Maryland state government as an example of Ethiopia's main export, coffee, is advertising. I believe the situation is little different from the Iran Khodro car photo that's included on the Iran article as an example of one of Iran's main exports, cars (c.f. [1]). The Manual of Style's WP:PERTINENCE sub-policy also seems to support the both commodity pics' relevance. Please advise. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 20:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

As you may have noted from my discussions, I have some serious disagreements about proper content with the seemingly self-appointed "powers that be" within Wikipedia. That being said, your question is not one I've ever considered. My best hunch, at least at en.Wikipedia, is that such an image would probably be OK if it's in the public domain or similarly free (probably contatined in WikiMedia Commons), or licensed, as was the image you cited. I'm certainly no expert in this area. You may wish to enquire at Commons. Other than that, it's anyone's guess what the opinion of the "powers that be" here in en.WP might be... --Chaswmsday (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That's what I had thought. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

New Diagrams of Interchanges

have a look on my recent uploades files: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Hans_Haase --Hans Haase (talk) 01:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

They look great, Hans! When I get time, I'll probably use some to replace the prior versions in the road articles I've recently edited. --Chaswmsday (talk) 00:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Ohio State Routes edits

Moved discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads#Boilerplate prose copied from another article --Chaswmsday (talk) 01:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Please don't remove the NHS and AADT info, most every other road article that is at ~B or above has this info. So why would these not have this info.Detcin (talk) 00:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I believe the prose specifically about NHS and AADT should be removed from the route articles (references to them are great), per the edit summary comments I made when removing. Please see comments made at Wikipedia:Help desk#Boilerplate prose copied from another article. --Chaswmsday (talk) 00:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

The same (or something smiliar) prose are in most Michigan road articles and most are above GA, M-51 (Michigan highway).. How about adding a commit over at WT:USRD the wik project that maintain US road articles, instead somewhere else.Detcin (talk) 00:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC).

Except that when articles have gone through FAC and later been granted FA status have been reviewed, other editors asked for commentary on the significance of the road and the level of traffic. Since NHS inclusion or exclusion is a mark of significance, that has been added to many, many articles in most states with active editorship by USRD, including the brief statement of explanation.

Similar is true of the inclusion of AADT data, which answers one of the Five Ws, "Who" as in "Who uses the road?"

Now that we've established why NHS and AADT are included in the articles, we've got the situation where technical information about transportation planning is included in an otherwise non-technical article. A brief explanation of technical details, such as a basic definition of AADT or what the NHS is about, is appropriate in good writing. Forcing readers to jump to another article, just so that they'd understand that "the National Highway System consists of roadways important to the nation's economy, defense, and mobility." is a bad writing practice. It is considered bad at the higher levels of writing standards expected of FAs because we should not send a reader to another article for such a simple explanation that can be offered inline. I would agree that this is tangential if we summarized the NHS as more than "important to the country's economy, defense, and mobility", but a half-sentence is not excessive. Entire details of the Interstate Highway System, STRAHNET, and intermodal connectors, as well as the entire background and legal foundation for the system are left for the larger article, for example.

A single sentence explanation of AADT is also not excessive. If the reader wants more information than provided, that's what the wikilink is for, but a reader shipped off to another article may not come back to the subject article to continue reading. Imzadi 1979 → 01:10, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Your post on WT:USRD

Can you please either remove or collapse your copy and pasted text, out of courtesy? If you want a violation of WP:SYNC, that is one right there, as every time someone posts at those pages, they get out of sync. The project members would greatly appreciate it, as we're the ones who have to put up with the long wall of text as we conduct our business on the page. --Rschen7754 06:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm growing increasingly concerned with your manner of interacting with other editors (especially looking at the posts above). Keep in mind that Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia, where we work together. Right now, it seems that you are hell bent on removing certain phrases from articles, per your interpretation of policy, and don't care what anyone else says. Your insistence of keeping all that text on our talk page is not backed up by policy (can you quote anything from TPG that backs up your position?) Frankly, this is coming off like you are showing us the middle finger. Can you please take a step back and reevaluate how you are approaching this situation? It would be greatly appreciated by everyone, and then we could get back to writing an encyclopedia Take it from someone who's been here almost 8 years, writing is better than fighting. --Rschen7754 06:42, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I've dealt with enough bullying self-appointed guardians of Wikipedia myself over the years (as you can see by reviewing my Talk posts) and so far, have been free of that in the Roads area. Unlike those who have bullied me or bullied those who have held similar views in various controversies, after the first few reverts in the current discussion, I have stuck to arguing my points on Talk pages, not continued to edit any content pages per my interpretations.

As for "our" talk page, I'm sure that by "our" you meant the "Wikipedia Community's" talk page, as it is long-standing policy that no page in WP "belongs" to any one person or interest group, even one's own user talk page. If "ours" was your intent, please be aware that although not a formal member of US Roads, I have made fairly extensive, and I hope, positive contributions to Road articles since I've been actively editing WP content. --Chaswmsday (talk) 06:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

It's something that I would have done at WP:ANI too if someone had posted a wall of text - this is very common practice. The statement "I've dealt with enough bullying self-appointed guardians of Wikipedia myself over the years (as you can see by reviewing my Talk posts)" is also very concerning, as it does not take into account your behavior in the matters above. Can you please Wikipedia:Assume good faith, per policy? We need more road editors, but you're making it impossible for me to work with you here. --Rschen7754 07:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Relax. A "wall of text" isn't going to hurt anyone or disrupt any business. The last new section in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads was started on 21 February 2013; the last prior comment was 27 Februrary. The thread we're discussing will archive away and stop bothering in due time. Please don't "be concerned" about my behavior, or urge me to "assume good faith", when you arguably have been trying to hide my comment thread and seem to be assuming bad faith on my part. I'm not assuming bad faith on your part in regards to content, just a disagreement. So, I will continue to pose arguments attempting to sway you and/or the community to my interpretation of good content, as you and others are free to do as well. --Chaswmsday (talk) 07:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

If the consensus is to leave the "repeated" information in there, will you abide by it? --Rschen7754 07:25, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll be honest w/you. If you look at my posts, first, I might argue about the nature of consensus in WP. Particularly in some very contentious AfD's, the only people who came to the party were those pushing a particular interpretation. It's really hard to get disinterested editors to play. Next, there were irregularities about holding pro-keep (us) discussions open until "they" got the (delete) !vote they wanted, while swiftly closing pro-delete resolutions. Then there were admin decisions which were technically correct, but in the face of no true consensus, in rendering a decision based on the arguments, not the !votes, counted "me too" delete !votes as valid and ignored goofily-argued delete !votes, but seemed to minimize the importance of (but still counted) "me too" keep !votes and held all of the nutty/invalid/whack-a-doodle keep !votes against the keep side.

But this isn't a keep/delete, inclusionist/deletionist issue, so I likely won't argue about process at all. In the face of insurmountable opposition, whether I feel the process is fair or not, I'll just cave and let the !voters do as they wish. Unless convinced otherwise, I probably won't like the decision, but I'll just wait to twirl my mustache, cackle gleefully and "release the hounds, Smithers!" if and when the "I told you so" moment arrives... --Chaswmsday (talk) 07:52, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm entirely confused by this. So you wanted non-road editors to comment, but you posted at a roads project talk page? --Rschen7754 08:01, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

No, the situation I discussed there was about TV service providers (cable/satellite/etc). I didn't even particularly have a dog in the hunt; I had on my watchlist a page related to an AfD article and let myself get dragged into that debate on principle. I made my arguments more general, discussing the acknowledged vagueness of the policy interpretation the deleters used to justify their wish to delete and the misuse of process (i.e. When it suited them, articles stood or fell on their own merits, yet when it suited them otherwise, one article's deletion justified mass deletion of all others of that "type". And yet again, AfD's were parceled out in groups because (paraphrasing) "You get too much pushback if you try to delete all articles at once, even though that's our goal." Any good, not-in-dispute content contained w/i specific articles be damned; it was deleted as well.) Sorry, I'm just venting here. This kind of crap is why I hate contentious debates.

Anyway, to your question, I do want Road editors to comment and !vote on Road issues, but not Road editors with some overarching agenda. Nonsense like "road articles must not contain images of the route shield, because that's the state's specific copyright" or "Interstate-XX must always be written with a hyphen because in the enabling legislation..." Those are just goofy, made-up examples, but they illustrate the types of arguments I've struggled against, with editors who are militant in their belief system and will belittle and stack votes and pile up on everything you do or say until they get their way. Bullies with an agenda. That's why I've gotten touchy when you've come close to suggesting that about me. I'll argue vigorously, but I don't think I've bullied anyone and at least try not to.

If there's a wider question about policy interpretations or process, or an AfD needs to be resolved, or if there's an intractable stalemate within a Project (where fresh, truly disinterested eyes might help, but often they don't grasp the issues), only then would I find "outsiders" necessary. Hope this rant explains things! --Chaswmsday (talk) 08:47, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

The question I have is: who has an overarching agenda? And how is that assuming good faith?

I can't speak for the TV people, but the U.S. road article standards are quite demanding because we wrote them so that if an article meets those standards, it will pass GA and FA. The GA and FA standards are quite rigorous. Sure, our methods seem odd, but they work. By the numbers, 0.4% of our articles are FAs, and 7.7% of our articles are GAs, which beats the Wikipedia average of 0.09% for FAs and 0.4% for GAs, respectively.

All I'm saying is before you bash the project or our methods or standards or articles, try them out for a while, as they work. We've been around for over 7 years, and were even featured in the Signpost this week, and are generating lots of good content, so we must be doing something right. --Rschen7754 09:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I can't disagree with you, @Rschen7754. Of the Projects I've semi-extensively contributed to, I've found the Roads editors the most agreeable. Again, be assured that I wasn't stating actual examples of misbehavior in Roads, just hypotheticals about the kind of stuff that's happened in my editing career. (And I gave some true examples of bullying and contention I've found in other Projects).

I can speak for the vast majority of the TV people. Nice people. Nice, well-run Project(s). For the most part. But there have been a few editors there who seemingly came out of nowhere (one after a year-long ban, who may have sockpuppeted, and is I believe currently banned under her/his newer, somewhat less-toxic name). These few "bad apples", having won the great "don't use station logos unless we personally LIKETHEM" debate, had so cowed the good folks at TV that they would yield to whatever outrageous proposal the little cabal proposed, and were reluctant to put forward ideas that were deemed to be "OK", for fear that they might anger that group. Yet admins kept giving the worst of the bunch chance after chance, month after month, to improve her/his misbehavior of bullying, incivility and blind running of overly-powerful bots, until, at loooong last, s/he was finally banned again. And another group of TV bullies, which AfD'd a type of article they didn't like, but when I presented them with substantially the same type of article in another unrelated Project (which, purely by coincidence - no, really!, one of the ringleaders had contributed to) s/he claimed that article was entirely valid and should never be deleted, and if anyone ever tried, felt confident that the members of that Project would strongly block any deletion attempt. All of these folks were editors who very rarely or never added or improved content, other than enforcing their own inflexible interpretations of rules. I suppose there's a place for such editors, but they usually seem to get so wrapped up in those rules that nothing else matters.

So I'm just skittish about not running into the same types of folks again. I'm not sure what methods or standards Roads uses that are unique to the Project, but I'm not out to bash them in any manner. I just disagree over some content decisions, basing that not on the Project, but on general Wikipedia principles. I was going to say "overarching principles", but I'm not sure how that joke would have gone over... (Tried to do a smiley, but couldn't find it...) --Chaswmsday (talk) 10:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I have asked for an opinion from a military history FA writer: User talk:Dank#USRD comment --Rschen7754 21:07, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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3-way junction

Hi Chaswmsday, I added some knowledge into the article. Would you review my english language skills a little bit. Thank you so much. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3-way_junction&diff=570793952&oldid=568959088

And I would like you to know, I am completing samples and references on the article seagull is. Here's a German version in my user space: w:de:Benutzer:Hans Haase/Seagull Intersection. --Hans Haase (talk) 11:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for working on the article and asking forwaring the question. --Hans Haase (talk) 10:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Name of intersection

What's that kind of interchange? Is there a name for it? Technically this is a grade separated HIGH-T / CGT / Seagull or sealed trumpet?

• 27.552055,-82.562985 US-19 / US-41
• 39.077387,-108.576782 US-50 / US-6

it can also be found at I-10 to I-20 intersection next to west end of Texas. --Hans Haase (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

CFL

Hi, pls review my contribs in Single-point urban interchange, thx --Hans Haase (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Information Source about Road junction types: http://attap.umd.edu/UAID_gss.php?UAIDType=22&iFeature=8

And at 39.15581,-76.744824 is a "half DDI" --Hans Haase (talk) 01:18, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

CFL – here's a reference: http://www.ctre.iastate.edu/mtc/papers/documents/chatterjee2007paper.pdf it would be a nice section of Diamond interchange --Hans Haase (talk) 01:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Here are the references and sample for the CFL: 26.301177,-80.186479 Contraflow left turn lanes on Lyons Creek Pkwy underneath SR 869 Florida http://attap.umd.edu/UAID_gss.php?UAIDType=18&iFeature=3 --Hans Haase (talk) 14:40, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I updated Diamond interchange. Pleas take al look on the article. About the Dogbone: capacity is being increased when using Turbo roundabouts, else only possible conflicts are being reduced. The missing road in a teardrop roundabout is bbeing used for direct u-turn of if more roads than the cross street are beeing connected to the roundabout. --Hans Haase (talk) 14:19, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Cloverleaf fail

Before you enter this in to the map search, prepare, it could be funny to see, but not funny to pay: 51.131148,-114.227603 --Hans Haase (talk) 23:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That looks way safer than a standard four-cloverleaf interchange. –Fredddie™ 23:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Traffic light signaling speed (limit)

Happy new Year 2014, Chaswmsday, is something that kind in USA, UK, or somewhere else installed? In the 1990ies Düsseldorf had some installed along Bundesstrasse 8, but uninstalled today. Göttingen has still some, signalling speeds 40, 50 and 60 km/h (equals 25, 30 and 40 mph) to make the vehicles arrive during green singal phase. --Hans Haase (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Lloyd Expressway

Do you live in Evansville, or Southwestern Indiana? I've lived here for nearly 20 years and for as long as I have lived here, The Lloyd Expressway is usually referred to as The Lloyd and is even often called Lloyd Boulevard Rhatsa26X (talk) 11:43 30, March 2014 (CDT)

State names in locations

They are typically abbreviated.

• The Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association (6th ed.) says to abbreviate them in the reference list (§6.30, p. 187).
• The MLA Handbook for Writers of Research Papers (7th ed.) says to abbreviate them in "documentation" (§7.3, p. 236).
• The Chicago Manual of Style (16th. ed.) says they are usually abbreviated in bibliographies while they should be spelled out in running text (§10.28, p. 498).

The examples on Template:Cite news/doc oddly show location names and publishers for newspapers that contain the name of the city in the title (The Seattle Times and "Seattle") and where the name of the newspaper is repeated in the name of the publisher, neither of which is necessary. Help:CS1#Work and publisher tell us that in such cases, the location and the publisher are superfluous, but the CS1 documentation is silent on abbreviating vs. not abbreviating state names, so I defer to established style manuals' practice, which is nearly unanimous among the big three used by undergraduate students. Imzadi 1979 → 23:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

"Canceled" vs "cancelled"

I was under the impression that the English section of Wikipedia is the British English, and not the American English? In British English, "cancelled" is written just like that. toreau (talk) 13:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Re Alcatraz: I believe it's generally been held, under MOS:ENGVAR, that articles whose topics "belong" to a particular country (such as this TV series) should use the variety of English spoken in that country. If an article's subject is transnational, the prose is generally kept in the variety in which it was originally written. I don't particularly like the "canceled" spelling myself, and as a young lad I remember learning the "LL" spelling, but that seems to have changed over the years in the US. :( --Chaswmsday (talk) 14:12, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Understood, and thanks for the answer! toreau (talk) 10:48, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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You've now been reverted by three editors. That should tell you that the content is inappropriate where you've placed it. The last editor made a good suggestion regarding title allusions. You might want to pay attention to it rather than continuing to edit war. Moreover, please discuss on the talk page, not via edit summary; see WP:BRD. --Drmargi (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just wanted to thank you for the information on the titles you've added to the Fargo episodes. It looks like you originally got into a bit of a mess adding them, please don't let that get you down. Wikipedia needs more editors like you who are willing to share your knowledge and find the references to improve articles. Thanks for all your hard work! 2607:FCC8:B886:7200:A010:11BF:B579:520A (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

My talk page

Glad to see you've dropped your IP and are back using your user name. After the last few days' needless drama and haranguing, I just want to reiterate that you are no longer welcome to post on my talk page, either under your user name or under any IP. --Drmargi (talk) 00:07, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

That user (2607:FCC8:B886:7200:A010:11BF:B579:520A) wasn't me. I haven't even been on WP in the past few days. If you don't believe me, I'm just about to thank and disagree with 2607. --Chaswmsday (talk) 00:11, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

You were EXPLICITLY told to stay off my talk page. That means you stay off, and you know it. Cycling to a new IP and playing the games you're playing won't work. Next time, I take it to an admin. I'm tired of your harassment. --Drmargi (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Your premise, "After the last few days...", is false, as I am NOT 2607. I understand that you believe that I am, but I don't know who this editor is, or why it has only existed briefly, even though its writing seems to indicate longtime WP experience. Following Whois and other links from this IP user shows Time Warner Cable Internet/Roadrunner. Although I am unhappily a Time Warner Cable TV customer, I am NOT an Internet customer of theirs, nor do I reside in or near Honolulu, Kansas City, KS, Orange, CA or San Diego.

I only added the {{talkback}} to your page to direct you to my response to your allegation here on MY talk page. Other than that talkback, I had not posted on your talk page, even after YOUR harassment and accusations on MY talk page, and even before you put out an un-welcome mat on yours. You are also invited (after responding to this, if you wish) to leave ME alone and not post on my talk page, either under your user name or under any IP.

Looking through your talk archives, I find a number of editors who have accused you of heavy-handedness and a poor attitude. If you continue to harass me based on the actions of others, I will go ahead myself and notify an admin. That admin would be welcome to do any sockpuppet investigation s/he wishes on me. --Chaswmsday (talk) 08:55, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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Channel 7 branded TV stations in the United States

I see that you have reverted my edits to a few pages that replaced a variety of links (Channel 7 branded TV stations in the United States, Channel 11 branded TV stations in the United States. etc.). Those links redirect to disambiguation pages. Is your intent to have those links point to Channel 7, Channel 11, etc., or are you intending to link one or two specific pages on those disambiguation pages? -Niceguyedc ^{Go Huskies!} 16:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@Niceguyedc:, per the discussions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 January 7#American TV stations by channel number (also Canadian & Mexican), it was decided to convert the relevant categories into list articles. Rather than doing the same for TV stations which "brand" by a channel different than the stations' virtual or RF channels (usually the station's cable channel), the "branded" entries were just placed into the matching disambiguation pages. I could redirect to specific sections w/i the DAB pages, but I'm not sure that the layout of these DABs is optimal, or even stable. So, for now at least, I'm intentionally redirecting "Channel 'X' branded TV stations in the United States" directly to the "Channel 'X'" DAB page. If you have any other thoughts on the matter, please let me know. Thanks. --Chaswmsday (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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what the MOS says about date format

I notice you recently edited Presidio of San Francisco to change some date formats. Per MOS:DATERET, once consistent usage has been established in an article, it should be maintained, absent of consensus to change it. In this case, the article was clearly using dmy dates, as evidenced by the {{Use dmy dates}} template. Kindly revert your edit. Sincerely,—Stepheng3 (talk) 22:23, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Moved discussion to Talk:Presidio of San Francisco#Date format. --Chaswmsday (talk) 11:07, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Grammar

• Hi, I do not know that you are native English person or just as I am. I am pretty sure, you are wrong, I do not bother if your knowledge of the grammar is that level. Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 20:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, English is my first language and my usage is correct. The best description for the proper usage can be found at verbal noun. The sentence in question is very long with, in my opinion, too many dependent clauses; were it not in the Wikipedia:Canvassing guideline and subject to much community debate, I might have considered rewording the whole sentence. I hope this clarifies things for you. --Chaswmsday (talk) 21:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Reinsert Double Crossover Merging Interchange Section OR Un-delete Original Standalone Article?

Hello Chaswmsday,

I have found your name on many intersection and interchange talk pages, and it appears that you have a great deal of experience and expertise in the subject area of interchange/intersections. Recently, I posted a new talk page discussion section on on the Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI) Talk Page, I am asking for feedback on whether the Double Crossover Merging Interchange (DCMI) should be re-inserted into the Diverging Diamond Interchange article, or if it should have the original standalone DCMI article undeleted.

Can you please review and provide your opinion, it would be greatly appreciated.

Talk :Reinsert or UnDelete Double Crossover Merging Interchange

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Why unlink?

where the drawing is [2] --Hans Haase (有问题吗) 20:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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I removed your commentary on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Road_junction_lists#Interchange_design_encouraged_in_Notes_column about TenPoundHammer's comment to Imzadi1979 that you were "at it again". I have no opinion on your activities that caused that initial comment from TPH, but I do think it was in bad taste to broadcast it on WT:RJL. MoS talk pages are not the place to take umbrage with another editor's comments or actions. If you have concerns regarding a specific editor, it should be discussed at that user's talk page. On that note, TPH should have come to your talk page to discuss it with you. He didn't, so that's on him. –Fredddie™ 03:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Fredddie:, my copy of TenPoundHammer and Imzadi1979's comments from Imzadi1979's talk page to WT:RJL was *not* off-topic, since the subject at hand is the interpretation of MOS:RJL guidelines. And I'm not sure how you can claim to have "no opinion" on my edits, since you also reverted them. --Chaswmsday (talk) 07:07, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

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On my talk page you posted:

Could you please modify this file to add overlay area code 326 to area code 937. Thanks a lot! --Chaswmsday (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. It is only by people like you, who notice when resources are old, or out of date (especially since I live in Virginia) and report them so they can be fixed and brought up to date, can we keep Wikipedia an accurate resource. Per your request, I have updated and replaced this map so that the new map shows the two area codes in that reagon. Again, thank you for notifying me so I could fix this. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Do you know how long it will take to show up in WP? --Chaswmsday (talk) 07:08, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

When I said I replaced the map, I meant that I had uploaded the new version to Wikipedia. Except for potential cashing issues - like where the old image is being loaded instead of the new one because the last edit on a page shows it has not been changed - it should be available immediately once replaced. Try hitting the 'reload' button on your browser when visiting an area code page using it, and the new map should show up right away. I had checked the map image on Commons itself, I didn't check the Area Code pages that use it. I went to Area codes 937 and 326 which I have not visited in a while, and the new map shows up fine. Advise me if there are still problems after reloading. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 22:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

It *was* a cache problem on my end. Thanks again! --Chaswmsday (talk) 22:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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You might notice that I've removed the material you added and re-added to WDCW, and I wanted to explain why.

I am writing pages (like this one) to our Good Article standard. That means material needs to be referenced. No one source is going to tell me that there are only four CW affiliates in the Eastern Time Zone with standalone newsrooms (and honestly WDCW is a weird case). That's synthesis of published material with a fair helping of original research.

I see you've been around a while. Hopefully you'll notice that I'm working to improve the quality of our pages in the TV stations field. That means that the cruft we've tolerated for too long must go. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Sammi Brie, please note that my edits were a good-faith attempt to update already-existing prose and add reciprocal prose in the relevant articles. I have subsequently found that 3 more "CW affiliates w/standalone news" were added by CBS News and Stations. I too am unable to locate a single (or a few) reliable sources making the claim.

I agree with your reasoning and will therefore remove said claim from the 1 article you & another editor missed. However, I would urge you to stick to arguments of synthesis & OR and refrain from using the term "cruft". The word as used in WP is quite polarizing (see WP:NOCRUFT) & assigns a dismissive connotation of superfan unseriousness to good-faith editors. I find the concept of non-Big Four TV stations w/standalone news operations to be rare & notable. Be assured, if I ever find reliable sourcing for such claims, I will not hesitate to add them to the appropriate WP article(s). Thanks. Chaswmsday (talk) 07:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

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