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Mountain passes in Oregon

It seems that many of the mountain passes in Oregon category do not have the associated county as a category....

Also it would seem useful if the mountain pass list was augmented to include all the passes that ODOT lists special weather watches on "www.tripcheck.com", as sometimes figuringout where those are can be a mystery.

A couple that are missing is Linn County "Tombstone" pass in US 20 and also Stinkingwater pass and Drinkingwater passes (with redlink of Juntura inbetween east of Burns.

Also someone deleted the Summer Lake (Oregon) lake page which has caused a number of red links. It is one of the larger lakes in Oregon, and deserves an article (as well as being on the short list of 'subbasins' in the Great Basin.Rvannatta (talk) 07:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Summer Lake (Oregon), as you can see here was apparently deleted because all it said was "Summer Lake is a lake in Oregon". As for the rest--be BOLD, my friend! I hope things are drying out/no longer sliding in your neck of the woods. Nice pic of the snowy Doug-firs, BTW. Katr67 (talk) 07:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

well there are still things on the move that shouldn't be (like hills), and it is still raining, but it is hard to predict what will move far enough to matter. I'm sort of working on the photo stuff to try to get some seasonally different photos. There are many different views of things through the seasons. Phototogs sometimes get carried away in only one season, or in trying to make ugly things look pretty (when they aren't) when sometimes maybe we should show it like it is. See U.S. Route 197 (Maupin bridge).

ODOT ought to give out a prize to some bridge engineer, for the uglist ugly duckling in history for that thing.Rvannatta (talk) 04:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the kind words and encouragement. I hope I didn't butcher the Wiki system too badly. My interest right now is focused on Civil War veterans buried in Oregon. I have been fortunate to have some of my work professionally published and I am amazed at how good a professional editor can make my writing look. So edit away with my thanks.

--Randy Fletcher (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Question on Lists

Again thanks for the feedback. I see that you are responsible for a lot of the Oregon lists. I have two lists I am working on and ask you if you think they should be included in Wikipedia. One is Civil War Nurses Buried in Oregon and the other is African-American Civil War Veterans Buried in Oregon. Both lists will be small as I believe there are less than a dozen in each category. The problem is it is my own research. I am relying on my search of the Spencer Leonard list of Civil War veterans buried in Oregon. Mr. Leonard compiled this list from GAR records, obituaries, and personal surveys of cemeteries. To my knowledge it has never been published. The original hand written notes are in the possession of the Genealogical Forum of Oregon. I have been entering the info in Findagrave as I go. If you don't think I should enter the info into Wikipedia myself, I would be more than happy to give you the info to enter. I am not doing it for my ego. Since I turned 50 I have vowed to add to the historical record for Oregon. Let me know what you think. Also, should I get a user name that doesn't identify me. I generally use my name because I always forget user names. Happy New Year.

--Randy Fletcher (talk) 04:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Hmm. I think those lists sound interesting but are borderline. Perhaps make them subsections of a greater list of Civil War vets buried in Oregon. EncMstr is more of the list person than I am, so you might ask him. You might also check in with Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history--I bet they would be a big help. Re: Original Research--that's a tricky one. Normally we frown on the most obvious types of OR, where people walk around someplace and describe what they see, offer opinions, etc. Even so, using actual records is tricky, since generally on the wiki we want to be using secondary sources. Again, check with the history project. Re: Username--Wikipedia:User account policy will tell you it's up to you, whether you identify yourself. Some people think it fosters trust, though obviously those of a stalkerish bent, like me ;), can easily see who you are. I was gonna say, nice work on Find-A-Grave (I signed up and added my grandparents to Rest Lawn in JC today) and ask if you might have run into my friends who used to be Civil War reenactors (116th Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, Co. B). If that bothers you, then you might want to change your username. A determined stalker could probably figure out who I am in real life from the clues I've left on the wiki, but I choose not to make it easy for them by revealing my real name. I hope that helps! Happy New Year to you too. P.S. Eugene Pioneer Cemetery needs an article, if you're so inclined. :) Katr67 (talk) 04:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Eugene Pioneer Cemetery I took a shot at an article on Eugene Pioneer Cemetery. I also uploaded two pictures I took of the cemetery but could not figure out how to link the images. I am also stumped by in-line citations. --Randy Fletcher (talk) 01:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking my suggestion! I'll take a look and see if I can help. Katr67 (talk) 01:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Assessment of recent Oregon Airports Articles

Regarding my assessment of these articles, I consider an article with a defined structure, an Airport infobox, and proper references as a 'Start' class, regardless of the length. These are 3 of the 5 criteria for a B class article, so in my opinion these articles are halfway to a B status and should be classified as 'Start'. The articles added by User:Trevor MacInnis in recent weeks all fall into this class. I feel the Infobox contains a great deal of condensed information comparable to a longer, all text article. I've been trying to seperate the obvious unorganized 'stubs' from the ones that people have put some time and effort into 'start'ing. If there are particular ones that I have misclassified, please let me know. I am still learning :^) Carl M. Anglesea (talk) 19:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. Well, it seems WP:AVIATION does use different criteria than the standard assessments, per Template:Grading scheme, which is why the assessments don't match. I'm not sure what to do at this point, because by WP:ORE standards, articles such as Tuality Hospital Heliport are stubs (note the article also includes a stub tag, which usually automatically confers "Stub" status to the assessment), and I suppose I would risk offending you/going against your project's consensus if I were to downgrade the dozens of Oregon airport articles that need assessement by WP:ORE from "Start" to "Stub". Note that according to Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment, "Unlike the quality scale, the priority scale varies based on the project scope." Which seems to imply that the quality scale should match across projects, which is the principle I use and have seen in operation around the wiki. Since you seem to be following your WikiProject's guidelines, I obviously can't fault your assessements, but I do think Aviation's assessment criteria may need updating. Katr67 (talk) 20:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Here's some links to help find the articles in question: Category:Airports in Oregon, Category:Unassessed Oregon articles. Katr67 (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Your example, Tuality Hospital Heliport, has 'at least one serious element of gathered materials,' namely the information a pilot needs to locate and use the heliport. If size matters, I cannot think of much more information that could be added to the article that doesn't already exist in the linked Tuality Community Hospital. I believe some articles like this heliport are pretty near complete and will not get much bigger because they are not as extensive as Portland International Airport for example. Carl M. Anglesea (talk) 21:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I would tend to disagree as far as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for general readers and not a guide for pilots--by those criteria, that article is still a stub. Note that the rest of the section on gathered materials continues: "including any one of the following: a particularly useful picture or graphic, multiple links that help explain or illustrate the topic, a subheading that fully treats an element of the topic, multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article." Surely there is some prose that could be added to most of those articles--some history, etc. And some stubs never expand and there's nothing wrong with that. Katr67 (talk) 21:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the addition of a picture for the heliport and history for some of the other airports; that would propel them into a B class. I disagree with the need for the class ratings to agree between projects. It seems that it could be a 'stub' by Oregon standards if you see more information in its future and still be a 'start' by Aviation standards if we feel it is near complete. I refer you to a similar discussion we are having at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft regarding fictional aircraft, which are only a passing interest to Aviation, but important to the gamers. Carl M. Anglesea (talk) 21:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Carl, but I'm going to have to agree with Kat here. Tuality Hospital Heliport and other articles of that size are most definitely stub-class. To be start class, they should have most of these items. In a new article, the bare minimum I would consider a start would be, for example, this. I know, it's very subjective. Myself, I don't consider the infobox as being a substantial part of an article because, in general, infobox's are supposed to be summaries of information that is also found in the body of the article. In the case of Tuality Heliport the infobox is the only information found.

As for the difference in the grading schemes. I originally models the aviation scheme after the Military history Wikiproject's scheme. The criteria for stub and start are exactly the same, and the criteia for FA, A, and GA are the same, if worded differntly. The main difference is the B-class, which is done this way to incorporate the B-class checlist used in the banner. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 08:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I can distinguish 'stubs' from 'starts' better now. I will review my classifications from last week and revise (this weekend, hopefully). Thanks. Carl M. Anglesea (talk) 12:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC) Done! Carl M. Anglesea (talk) 03:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry... Not!

Hi Katr67. You seem like a really good person and I'd like to thank you for your comments. You were very polite, sometimes I lack politeness. I just don't see why the other user deleted my page. The film is in production and a release date has been announced. Your friend Creamy3 (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

If you want to know why the article was deleted, you shouldn't call an administrator a slob. That kind of behavior is not going to win you friends around here. And no offense, but I don't think we're friends. Kthanks. Now go rewrite your post to accounting4taste--s/he's the one who deserves an apology, not me. Katr67 (talk) 21:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Listen, I apologized for calling him a slob so why don't you just let it go. I've taken back my apology to you, and by the way; I don't owe Acounting4Taste an apology. And no offense to you, but I knew we weren't friends. I'm on good terms with Accounting4Taste now and I don't need your self-righteous speeches. Kthanks. Creamy3 (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Good for you! Have a great day! Katr67 (talk) 23:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays! -Pete (talk) 23:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Sacred Heart General Hospital Heliport

Hiya, great work on the airport articles, as usual. One thing, this article says it's 9 miles NW of Eugene?! Judging by the coords and my personal experience, the heliport is right on the roof of Sacred Heart Medical Center, which puts it squarely in Eugene. (The hospital is on the edge of the University of Oregon campus.) Could you double check your sources? Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good day! Yeah, I pulled my data from the FAA so no doubt there are quite a few errors. In dealing with a database there is always Garbage In, Garbage Out from those who have typed it in. When I pulled the spreadsheets from them I had to go go through and correct a bunch of errors (typos, names, etc...) but some of the raw numbers are hard to pick up with the ol' mark one eyeball. Feel free to correct 'em as you find them. I just wanted to make sure I got at least a little something started on them then let all the real pros out there help fill in the blanks. Thanks for the catch! --Trashbag (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

J.N. Teal

Thanks for your note, these early businessmen like J.N. Teal would need a chapter of their own to cover, business methods were pretty piratical back in those days.Mtsmallwood (talk) 08:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

New Year COTW from WP:ORE

Happy New Year to all the Oregon WikiProject People. A big round of applause for everyone last year, we got a lot done. A thank you to everyone who helped with the last Collaboration of the Week, I saw a large number of articles in the unassessed section and our total number of articles is over 5000 (we were around 4000 in June when the assessment program finished the initial run) so I know at one person was busy tagging. This week we are back to a High importance Stub article the one and only max security prison, first prison, and only one with a death row in the state, the Oregon State Penitentiary. Then, by request we have one of the most prolific ballot measure sponsors in Mr. Bill Sizemore. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

category discussion

I am sorry i was being unnecessarily argumentative and personal in my recent discussion about District of Columb. category renaming. I regret, myself, butting in; i should just go back to editing articles about historic sites which is what i like to do. Sincerely, doncram (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

ColumbiaSoft

The article on ColumbiaSoft presents no bias or advertising and all facts are supported. If you still feel this way please explain why.

Regards, Mrtriviamaniacman—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtriviamaniacman (talk • contribs) 21:09, January 8, 2008

Hint: Just type 4 tildes: ~~~~. Katr67 (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

The bit about the dollar amount of the average order concerns me. It may be backed with sources (I didn't check the refs) but how is this encyclopedic? It seems like an attempt to "sell" the company a bit. I'll admit I'm biased against anything smacking of advertising in this article, because it was created by Anvil Media, of which ColumbiaSoft is a client. I'm going to assume you have some sort of vested interest in the company as well? Forgive me if this isn't so. Please read our conflict-of-interest guidelines and also our business FAQ so you can learn more about how our articles are supposed to be neutral and not for advertising. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 21:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm also suspcious because this user: Triviamaniacman23 (talk · contribs) (You?) added links to ColumbiaSoft at the top of a couple lists. Very bad form and makes people look a lot more closely at your edits. Remember Wikipedia is not here to help you promote your business. Katr67 (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Your concern is understandable. I don't believe that posting revenue amount based on order size sells anything. It gives an understanding of a private company's revenue in addition to providing insight into the consumer demographic. It's no different than a public company reporting its revenues or the sales price of business to consumer product. Isn't the IPhone page more of a sales page by providing all the latest features and interfaces? Isn't that propaganda. ColumbiaSoft's figures are substantiated and backed by a notable publication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtriviamaniacman (talk • contribs) 21:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I made some changes to make it look a little less ad like. Please note, try not to compare articles unless those articles are what we call Featured Articles, as just because one article looks a certain why does mean it should look that way. You know, well if all your friends were jumping off a bridge... On a side note, as it is now, I don't know if the article would survive a deletion debate as only two of the articles really satisfy the notability guideline, with the second PBJ article about the founder being what we classify as trivial coverage of the company (its about him and not so much ColumbiaSoft). I'd try to find a source or two more that meet WP:RS and are independent of the company (i.e. no press releases or reprints of press releases). Trade magazines are often a good place to look. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

THX

Thank you for your change to the Gary Forrester article. We missed that one! Are you in Oregon, by any chance? If so, are you familiar with the Grand Ronde and Klamath tribes? It's a great story. Anyway, all the best from New Zealand.--Strapping.jofus (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Oregon

What exactly is WikiProject Oregon? I am a proud Oregonian and may be interested in helping. By the way, I apologize for vandalising the other user's page, it was foolish. Your friend, Creamy3 Creamy3 (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

re: Falling Up

No, no specific reason. I just hate there being large templates on article talk pages... that's about it. I won't delete it again, my apologies for inconveniencing you, that was pretty immature. :) Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 05:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Your Talk Page

This talk page is becoming very long. Please consider archiving. ✬Dillard421✬ ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I know how to archive, but thanks. I'll do it when I get around to it. Cheers. Katr67 (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Climate

I will provide links to the Weather channel charts for average highs and lows for those cities. thanks! Strongbad1982 (talk) 17:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, many of the cities in Oregon do not fit neatly into one single climate zone. This is why I noted in the articles on those cities that the Willamette valley possesses a Marine west coast climate but has some characteristics of a Mediterranean climate, notably the drier summer season. I will clean up later today by adding links to temperature tables on the weather channel website. Thanks!

Strongbad1982 (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

cool

I would leave you a long thank-you note for contacting Alex, but this talk page is way too long already... --Esprqii (talk) 19:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

hello, sorry, trying to revise and explain

hi, um, i'm really bad at this, but i'm trying to both post revisions in the articles and write on your project or whatever it's called at the same time, so please wait if possible like at least an hour. i'm not a vandal, just give me a chance as i've been doing this after work for days, thanks. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 00:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

i'm still trying to write something for the wp:ore place

hello again, i noticed that since i tried to message you or whatever it's called, you posted another comment about me on the wikiproject oregon page again. i was right in the middle of writing something there for a couple of hours until you contacted me, then somehow i lost what i was writing on that page for everyone to see at the same time that i was posting new templates newer more conciliatory templates. i know everyone has equal access on here as long as they behave, and i assure you i'm neither a vandal nor indifferent to the perceptions of others, but now it might take me hours more to try to rewrite what i was doing as i was both doing it and going over how i got to be there. oregon is a great place and i like it a lot, so i thought it deserved something better, so i respectfully request that i be given a bit longer to post something relevant and detailed to your concerns. thanks. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 01:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, nobody's out to get you and I doubt anything will happen without a discussion, but up until you contacted me, your behavior had us puzzled. I'm glad you finally decided to communicate. I didn't see your post here until I posted on the project page--that was just to notify the other WikiProject members what was going on. I'm not the only one who has a say, I'm just on a lot and watchlist a ton of stuff, so I noticed your edit summary messages. Sorry you lost your post on the WikiProject page--that always sucks. If you're worried about losing posts, write them in a text-editing program like Word and then paste them into the edit box when you're done. If there was an edit conflict when you tried to post, usually you can hit your browser's "back" button and copy what you wrote (that works in Firefox anyway, I seem to recall having more problems with losing text when using Explorer), and paste it onto the latest version of the page. I hope this helps. We look forward the discussion. Katr67 (talk) 02:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hubert, not to sound to judgmental here, but why should we trust you? We have been trying for days to get your attention, yet you continued with your ways. Even after posting above, you then (instead of continuing the discussion you asked for) went back and edited the templates again with your OWN like message. Honestly, what reason can you give us for going in and editing, and then telling other people not to change those edits. At this point we have had several conversations between a number of editors and the consensus was the status quo. If you are at all serious about cooperation I would ask that you return the templates to their state prior to your first edits, and then discuss the issue. These templates have been edited continually in the past to update them, so we are willing to listen to changes. But your behavior has been less than desirable in this episode and has (at least for me) been frustrating and bought you a whole lot of ill will. Trust me, I want the coverage to improve on Oregon history, that's why I have written well over 100 articles on the topic and worked to improve a handful to GA status. But I try to work with the community and respond to objections. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

hello i'm right here now almost done with my post

hi, i'm doing this now and i'm almost there. yes i know about edit wars, they can be nasty and i've gotten more trouble out of them than you can imagine. hang on, my miniature manifesto regarding all things oregon history on the wp:ore talk page is just about there. patience if not grace, that's me. yeah right. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 03:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Move request

Hi, I am curious as to why you reverted my edit at WP:RM.

The section on controversial/contested moves is usually used for items that have previously appeared in the Uncontroversial section and someone thinks that it is not an uncontroversial move and so relocates it in the controversial/contested section.

Normal full moves, controversial or not, are dropped into the dated sections. The item in question looked like a full move and so should appear in the dated section. It may be controversial but that will be apparent when the closing admin looks at the discussion on the articles talk page. Keith D (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Carpenter Gothic -> Carpenter Gothic architecture

Hi Katr67. I support the move, there is a surver on the talk page Talk:Carpenter Gothic. CApitol3 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not sure why you're telling me this. I just put the page move up for discussion as a procedural thing, and the discussion should take place there. It's not a vote or a contest or anything and nothing against anyone who opposes the move. I'm also not sure what you mean by "surver"? I guess I'll go look at the page... Katr67 (talk) 15:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Ohhhh. Survey. Yes, it's there because I put it there. :) Katr67 (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

So, I applied.

Might even have a slight inside track, too. Thanks again!! -Pete (talk) 00:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Kick ass! I hope you get it! I've got 'til Friday, but hopefully will mostly finish up today. Say....you any good at evaluating application materials? Most people I show stuff to say "Oh this is great, I'd hire you!" and they don't find the typos. I need to find a couple cruel and ruthless proofreaders. I deserve it. ;) Katr67 (talk) 00:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Send it on over. -Pete (talk) 00:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh great. Pressure. :P Katr67 (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

No, pressure is 5:00 rapidly approaching. I am officially de-wikifying…now! Catch ya soon, -Pete (talk) 00:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Rats I was going to ask you to look over Rey Ramsey and the talk page. Maybe AM will catch it... Are you there AM? Katr67 (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh, what?! I'm awake, I was just resting my eyes. Left a note there, hopefully that helped. Can I apply too? I don't know what it is for, but I'm hoping its free ice cream, preferably chocolate. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm planning to sell my soul to the devil; Pete is going for a position that will rocket him to fame and fortune. I don't think there's ice cream in hell, but Pete can fill you in if he is successful. Katr67 (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet tags

I see that you replaced those sock puppet tags. I was the one who erased them (I forgot to sign in). Overall I guess I don't care but I just don't see why you think they have to be there any way. They are dead sock puppets. They are not going to be unblocked just because I removed the tag after all this time. I can't find anything in Wikipedia rules that says they have to remain on the user pages. Please respond on my talk page.Richprentice (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

Hi. Trying to get my attention? FYI, I asked about your question elsewhere, if I get a response, I'll let you know. In the meantime, I usually treat all anon blanking without an edit summary as vandalism. Why don't you move on and concentrate on editing articles? Katr67 (talk) 23:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You say you don't want to interact with me- but if you follow me around and revert trivial things you should expect me to ask you to defend your action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richprentice (talk • contribs) 23:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Please learn to sign your posts. That was yesterday, this is today. As I explained, I will follow any anon vandals I please. I have no further plans to interact with you. Now please do not post on my talk page anymore. Good luck and good day. Katr67 (talk) 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Removing the tags from the user page was not vandalism. It, in fact is allowed as you have discovered yourself in your efforts to pigion me. You are alleging that the user page is mine so then I can do what ever I wan't with my own user page (like blank it). Its the same as if i started messing with your user page (give me a break!). Also I could make a very good case that your en mass reverts on the NYPIRG page last month was in fact vandalism on your part. If you don't wan't to talk to me then stop accusing me vandalising what is said to be my own page. How old are you anyway? I don't want to talk to you anymore- Ive got better things to do today! Richprentice (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

Uh, yeah, except…apparently you don't. Hope your wikilawyering is entertaining to you Rich, because I can't imagine it's too convincing to anyone else. And, am I seeing things, or did you actually just interpret my reply to Katr's comment as somehow reinforcing your position?? -Pete (talk) 02:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Pete: In response to your question- If someone is going to blindly revert stuff they are going to have to explain it. You, nor any one else can find any rule that that tag can not be removed from that page. Sorry Pete "Its just common sence" doesn't cut the mustard. With that logic you wouldn't even need a rule book- (why have rules that are not common sense?) That means I could arbitrate this point and probably win... BUT the truth is that I really honestly don't care. Richprentice (talk) 03:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

(edit conflict) Feel free to report me for vandalism. Here is the link: WP:AIV. An anonymous IP deleted content without an explanation. That's vandalism. How was I supposed to know that was you? That is all I meant by "anonymous" and "vandalism". I said I wouldn't interact with you anymore. I tend to keep my word. In other words: Do whatever the fuck you want, OK? I'm 40 years old and I'm again politely requesting that you don't post on my page anymore. If you'd like to continue the discussion with Pete, please take it to his page. Good day to you sir. Katr67 (talk) 02:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Oregon GA COTW

Howdy to WikiProject Oregon members, time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week. As you may have already noticed, our flagship article Oregon is up for the third time as we make a push to get WP:GA status before going for WP:FA. Since this will take some time to get where it needs to be, this will be the COTW for more than just a week. Also, so we hopefully don’t trip over ourselves, try to coordinate on the article’s talk page. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here.

On another note, just a general good job/pat on the back to the project for a great 2007, the first full year of the project. We had 83 DYKs about Oregon, improved one article to FA, and went from around 4 GAs to 17 GAs. Plus numerous new articles, improvements to existing, the introduction of the COTW, and the introduction of article assessment at the project. Again, great job and here’s to a new year. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sacred Heart Heliport

Good day Katr, I noticed that you moved the moved Sacred Heart General Hospital Heliport to Sacred Heart Medical Center Heliport. Out of curiosity, do you have anything referencing that move? I understand that the hospital may be that name but the name on the FAA Form 5010 Airport Master Record reflects the "General Hospital" name. Please be aware that the name of the FAA approved landing facility may not perfectly match the name of the facility it serves. If you don't have any references for the name change I will have to insist that the name reflect what is on the official documentation for the site. Thanks, --Trashbag (talk) 01:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary? It's per USGS. Like I've said before, I'm afraid as far as geographic names, sometimes the FAA is whack. But move it back if you "have to insist". Katr67 (talk) 03:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's the link I cited: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:1131707 Katr67 (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh trust me, I understand. You won't believe the numbers of errors I found in their database. The big challenge is that we are talking about a private landing facility here, the public airports are inspected every three years so everything gets updated at that time (name changes, new runway lighting, hey where did that cell phone tower at the end of the runway come from?). But the private spots are only reviewed at the time they are opened or if the property changes hands. I actually contacted the ODA to tell them they need to update the ownership block of the Columbia Aviation Heliport. It still shows ODOT on there (ODA used to be a division under ODOT). It's a similar situation and I went ahead to reflect the change on the Columbia Aviation Heliport to reflect that. So I have no problem leaving the Sacred Heart article. I'll update the list to reflect the name. Thanks for the input and the catch. --Trashbag (talk) 16:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Eugene Backwoods

An article that you have been involved in editing, Eugene Backwoods, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eugene Backwoods. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

ghosttowns.com

I put that reference to Kerby, Oregon into the RfC thread on my talk page because it illustrated the difference in my approach between Kerby and Michael Parenti. MP is a biography of a living person, so the rules of truth apply - a false or even a simply misleading statement is potentially libellous, so great care needs to be taken --

Kerby is just about an unincorporated place - not a legal entity - so it can't be libelled and the rule for removing the wikipedia statement that it is a ghost town has to be that the statement isn't properly sourced. So far as I could tell, at the time, the statement was properly sourced - it was written in ghosttowns.com and ghosttowns.com was a reliable source. (Therefore, even though the statement is manifestly untrue it should remain in wikipedia - removing it would be OR.) --

In the end (yesterday) I did remove it, but my basis for doing that is that ghosttowns.com is not a good source. True it collects entries written by third parties so it is an encyclopedia, just like wikipedia, but there is no evidence that the data it collects has any verification and it has no citations. Merely quoting the author in the ghosttowns.com article isn't enough I think - the article has to quote sources. --

Anyway, I'm happy either way - there's no way of proving that Kerby isn't a ghost town by wikipedia rules since no one is going to write something like "Kerby is not a ghost town" in a citable source. So if ghosttowns.com does past muster as a reliable wikipedia source (I don't think it is) Kerby should definately be added back as a ghost town. Jbowler (talk) 21:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Express Yourself!!! (Invitation to Fun)

• Katr67, I would like to invite you to come on a fun trip with me as I write, hopefully together with a few "friend Wikipedians", some future (?) WikiEssays. All in good fun, and I think it'd be a great outlet for some of the recent nervous energy and excessive typing some of us have done on recent debates. I have some formatting laid out and invite you to Be Very Bold in contributing to the articles if you feel so led. It's all meant to be in the spirit of good fun and collaboration, kinda like a mini-WikiProject or something. Check the "proposed" essay topics out here. You can also add your name to the "contributors" or even "planned contributors" (if you can't add now but plan to soon/eventually) list at the essay talk page. You'll see it's all laid out pretty simply. Yes, drop-down... just like an Advent Calendar... I know... I Hope to See You There!!! VigilancePrime (talk) 05:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC) :-)

On a side note, I loved your FAQ page... would it be too much to ask to "borrow" (basically copy) a (very) large amount of it to convert into a similar FAQ for myself? It's worth its weight in gold (figuratively, at least, since it is the internet) just for all the internal links to WPspace!

Oh yeah, Awesome work on Oregon articles, and thank you so very much for the assistance on Moolack Beach!

Um, did you see the FAQ about people copying my stuff? I was gentle there, but honestly it really bugs the living crap out of me when people copy things I've written. But it's a wiki. I don't own it, it's released in the public domain, and I can't stop you. But I can ask you nicely not to copy my homework. Note that I tend to avoid people's pages where my writing/headings/layout can be found (there is a handful). Please write your own FAQ, I'm sure you've encountered different issues on the wiki than I have. Of course you can link to the same places I do, the whole point is to show people who might not understand wiki culture that there is a whole bunch of guidelines out there, and that if someone has a problem with with what I am doing, to show them that it's really nothing personal. Anyway, I wrote my FAQ myself, based on painful personal experience, agonized over the wording, inserted my own strange sense of humor, searched for and found all the appropriate links, formatted it and proofread it. If you'd like to skip all those rewarding steps, well, like I said, I can't stop you. But if you write it from scratch I'd be glad to proofread it for you. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand and agree (hence asking in the first place). You'd be surprised, though, how much of your painful experience seems to mirror much of mine. I am truly impressed at the entire piece of work.

That aside, please drop in and contribute if you would like to at some point on the "potential" essays. Good stuff. (I hope.) THanks a bubch! VigilancePrime (talk) 03:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC) :-)

Comment

Don't be an idiot yo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milsorgen (talk • contribs) 07:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Care to explain that? Katr67 (talk) 15:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Tillamook, Oregon

Would you mind doing the honors? Tillamook, Oregon needs another undo. I've already done two. —EncMstr 08:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Me and Katr are both in the same boat, but we can do three each, its the fourth that causes the problem (though I prefer not to get that close anyway). But I listed the user at the 3RR board, so once they are blocked I'll go in and revert one more time to get it back to where it was. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't look back far enough. We're all two reverts. Let's get Pete to do it! —EncMstr 08:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing to see here, move along... Katr67 (talk) 16:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Correction on Medford Notable Residents

Katr67 wrote:

(→Notable residents - Wong comes before Wright ;))

Sorry, I guess I don't know Wright from Wong. DaKine (talk) 17:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL I couldn't resist such a perfect straight line being handed to me. BTW, we try to hold the notable people sections to the standard that people listed therin are notable enough to have their own articles. If those two are notable, could you whip up a stub for each of them? Otherwise they may be subject to deletion. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh

OK with the hyphen, but why the other reversions? Aboutmovies (talk) 18:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ooops! Edit conflict! Katr67 (talk) 18:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking it might have been that. Thanks for copy editing it, it should get the stamp of approval now. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the universe just folded in on itself

Hi there, can you put a userbox about piracy of user page piracy userboxes on your user page so that I can pirate it for use on my user page? Thanks! --Esprqii (talk) 23:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Head asplode now. Katr67 (talk) 23:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Becca Bernstein

Becca Bernstein Cleaned it up, expanded it and removed your tag. Thanks for pointing it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Campcloudrimwaldo (talk • contribs) 05:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Snowy COTW from WPOR

Hello again from WP:ORE. Please note the Collaboration of the Week is running two hours late, no morning kindergarten, and routers are on snow routes. Thank you to those who helped improve Oregon, we are inching towards GA quality. This week we have another High importance Stub in our official state insect (who knew?) with the Oregon Swallowtail, and then a new article I came across, Biglow Canyon Wind Farm. Help if you can get out of the snow. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Good day! Aboutmovies (talk) 16:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

George Washington Bush

Sorry about the problems yesterday regarding this article: doing and undoing changes in it. The problems were due to the fact that I did not check the History page and so failed to see your comments. Like you, I am an experienced writer and editor and want to see Wikipedia get better (and better). My apologies.

Back to George Washington Bush. I think that the general outline of his remarkable trip from Missouri to what's now Washington State and his life there are quite clear and have been recounted in city, state and federal sources. However, it is also clear that the entry in Wikipedia still need some work.

I have added some sections, as you suggested. I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards, TBHecht (Frederick Hecht) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TBHecht (talk • contribs) 14:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Something shiny

Thanks! I appreciate all the input! Just happy to help in a field I know and love, --Trashbag (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Interesting NHRP discussion

I suspect you've already caught this with your super sharp wikieyes, but just in case: there's an interesting discussion at Talk:Hanford Site about how to handle the 3 NHRP sites on the Hanford Site. -Pete (talk) 01:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Portland, OR

I'm new in wikipedia and i think ive blanked one information that you introduced in wikipedia regarding the population of Portland, OR in 2006, i had found a source that showed the estimate of the population of Portland in 2007 wevsite http://www.pdx.edu/media/p/r/prcCertifiedRelease_07_web_cities.pdf I didn't knew exactly the policies of wikipedia and i directly changed the numbers and source in the edit this page section. I'm asking if i should change the numbers and the source back to its original state or can i leave the changes that i've made, I'm sorry for any molestatios that ive could have caused to you. -Joan.ignasi.91 00:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I think your additions look fine, though I didn't check the source to make sure the numbers matched. I'm assuming they do. Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks. I noticed something was amiss when the dotted lines persisted around my addition. Phil Finchbook01 (talk) 04:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Canada Basketball

we seem to be colliding with reports and talk page notifications, whoops! Travellingcari (talk) 20:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I just moved your notice from the user's userpage, where you accidentally posted it. And then you posted again on the talk page. Happy COI fighting! Katr67 (talk) 20:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, no wonder I couldn't find it when I went to fix the busted {{{URL}}} tag. I'm still navigating the use of more complicated tags. Travellingcari (talk) 20:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Old Joseph's Gravesite

Thanks for the edit of the NHL article regarding the Nez Perce Traditional Site, Wallowa Lake, I missed that one (obviously)... I also added a couple of citations like you wanted, no problemo.

Greener pride. I love it up there! Axcordion (talk) 06:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate your improvements on the Hidden Valley High School site. Watching the revision process from the side has been educational. Finchbook01 (talk) 18:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit requiring citations

Hello. I expanded Economy section on Winchester Bay, Oregon, and left your "citation needed" requirement on, pending your evaluation. Thank you. Finchbook01 (talk) 07:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Tom Peterson says it time for Oregon COTW

Wake up! Wake up to a happy day! Says Tom Peterson. Greetings to the gang at WP:ORE, its time for another round of Collaboration of the Week. Last week was a very successful endeavor with great improvement to Oregon Swallowtail and Deuce Biglow Canyon Wind Farm. OK, so there’s no “e” but it makes me laugh. The Biglow production was so successful we got our first DYK out of it. So, let’s try for a second with the tallest building in the state, the Wells Fargo Center. Then by request we have the former governor (among other things) Neil Goldschmidt. Again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, visit here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks

for telling the bot where to go. I've been a real flake lately: forgot to sign three or four messages in the last two days. What is happening to me? And all the email protests from "unfairly" blocked users. Maybe I should go block some more....  :-) —EncMstr 23:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Clown COTW

Greetings once again to members of the best encyclopedia online about Oregon (aka WP:ORE)! Last week we improved Neil Goldschmidt to close to GA level, and moved the Wells Fargo Center from Stub to Start for the Collaboration of the Week. This week we’re clowning around with some bozo from Oregon, Pinto Colvig, and then in an attempt to garner another DYK, the rather stubby Cooper Spur. As always, any contribution is appreciated, and to opt out of these messages visit here.

As we have quite a few new members over the last six months, I’ll make another pitch for our various subprojects. Listed here, you will find a variety of groups focused on specific areas of Oregon from transportation to culture. Not only can you sign up and coordinate work there, but each often has useful sources and templates related to that topic. No pressure, just an introduction to those new to the project. Adios. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Mary Ramsey Wood

I see several problems with the decision to close the matter concerning my 4th great grandmother, Mary Ramsey LEMONS WOOD.

No mention of Oregonian newspaper's investigation which confirmed her birthdate.

lost censuses for 1790, 1800 and 1810 for Tennessee.

No one bother to contact my family (we found out about this through Wikipedia by accident), even through we are well known on Internet and easy to locate.

Personally I've been indexing many censuses over different years and did notice the women DO tend to state lower age than actual while men tend to state their age older than they actually are.

The main reason? to keep themselves at marriageable age. Not only that, there are quite a large number of those who reached 100 years of age by 1850, 1860, particularly in the Southern states.

Omitted facts: Mary (Ramsey) Lemons Wood did NOT come with her daughter Catherine. She came with TWO daughters and their families - Catherine with her husband James Burnett Southworth and their 2 children plus 6 from James' previous marriage. Catherine had 7 more while in Oregon. Divorced and remarried 2 more times and had 2 more children by 2nd marriage. The older daughter, Nancy married Charles Bullock in Missouri, came with Mary and sister Catherine, with her 2 children, had 6 more while in Oregon. Mary's oldest daughter, Mary did not come west. Stayed in Missouri. Lived to 98 years, died 1904, wife of Mr. Branham. I have photo of Nancy Bullock's gravemarker, saying she was born 1816 (I have to find that photo because I personall took photo of it to be sure since the last visit was in 2000.) She died 1870. Buried next to Mary in Hillsboro Pioneer Cemetery. I visited the cemetery. Catherine is buried nearby in her family lot. Nancy's gravemarker is one that is throwing money wrench in case against Mary.

The gravemarker that is on this site is not the original one. It's a replacement. The original marker was a full grave length and listed all the details. It is gone but the information is on the record at Washington County Historical Society.

Mary came from a family of 9 children (not 10) and Mary is 5th, not 6th. The lore about the parents from England disproved. No evidence exist to support the claim of England, probably because the Ramsey family is of Melungeon origin (Ramey/Ramsey, Gann/Gans.) Catherine is known to have been born in North Carolina.

The family NEVER went to Georgia (owing to the mistake between Murray County Georgia and McNairy, Tennessee - where the record of Jacob Lemons is found, 1820 census showing the family in McNairy County. I already checked. They did have slaves.

And the Lemons family of Oregon is notorious for longevity. In fact Mary's 3rd great granddaughter reached 90th last December and is living in Forest Grove, just "few" miles from Hillsboro (my aunt)

BTW, the paragraph in which the photo of her with her grandson, John Wesley Lemons Sr) is an impossibility. Never heard of that story. Only that John did NOT come alone, he came with his widowed mother (wife of William Isaac Lemons) and 1 brother and 2 married sisters and 1 unmarried sister in 1870.

Will be hard pressed until that family bible is located (it is mentioned in Oregonian newspaper, conviently omitted from the Wikipedia article unless the link is checked.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuelsenwd (talk • contribs) 07:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're telling me all this. I'm just one editor who worked on the article and tried to uphold the Wikipedia concepts of citation of reliable sources and neutral point-of-view. The people who wrote the article did the best they could with the sources they had. You can see the article's page history for everyone who worked on the article. Anyhow, this is better discussed on the article's talk page, which is where I'm going to copy this. Thanks for contacting us. If you have reliable sources for any of the above information, feel free to contribute it to the article. Katr67 (talk) 07:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Page

		Destructo 087's Hidden Page
		Well done finding Destructo's Hidden Page--Destructo 087 22:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Here you go, Destructo.

Userpage piracy

Avast! I boarded ye when ye was sailin' from the cabin and pillaged me some of yer stores. Now off I be! Zab (talk) 13:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Proudly displayed. Zab (talk) 10:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of ECONorthwest

An article that you have been involved in editing, ECONorthwest, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ECONorthwest. Thank you. User A1 (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

List of Portlanders

Hey K- what's the point of this list, and I guess, do you have reason to think those on it *want* to be on it? Just because they've maybe focused on PDX in the past, doesn't necessarily mean they're not interested in more...and VT, in particular, has been pretty heavily involved in Columbia River and Cave Junction, Oregon, off the top of my head. Anyway, just thought I'd check. Also, any thoughts on the press release stuff? If I don't get any feedback, I'm not sure how comfortable I am sending it in the name of the project -- makes me wonder if I'm accurately capturing people's sentiments? -Pete (talk) 00:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah! Got it. Sorry, I totally misunderstood what you did. Thanks! -Pete (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Sometimes research is fun. Check out the last sentence here. Can you imagine, a little thing like death getting in the way of one's carreer?

“ John E. Dempsey (1862-1895) was the U.S. middleweight boxing champion. He was the first Jack Dempsey and one of the greatest boxers of all time. He was defeated only three times out of 65 contests. [19] He died at the Portland home of his wife's parents, Mr. and Mrs. James Brady. His funeral from St. Francis' Church was one of the largest in Portland. [20] His early death, caused by tuberculosis, stopped his career. ”

-Pete (talk) 01:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Roffle! Katr67 (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Our weekly COTW message from WPOR

Welcome to another wonderful world of WP:ORE COTW. Thanks again to those who lent a hand improving Pinto Colvig and Cooper Spur ski area this past week or so. This week we return to the High importance Stubs, with the mighty Seal of Oregon and former governor and legal superstar Sylvester Pennoyer. To opt out of these messages, or suggest an article, swing by here. Or to stop receiving any WPORE messages just remove your name from the list of members at WP:ORE. Auf Wiedersehen. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Glencoe, Oregon

When you have a chance, could you see if OGN has anything to add? Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Will do, I've been meaning to check... Katr67 (talk) 21:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I was wondering if it should go in the unincorporated communities cat as well as the neighborhood one? Since it used to be its own community. That's the standard I've been using anyway. Katr67 (talk) 21:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

That works for me. I'm not really a communities expert, that's you job. ;). I'm the old dead guy, guy. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Omega Phi Gamma

Hi there:

I noticed that you've been editing an article that I authored on Omega Phi Gamma, and have been removing one of our alumni that is a "non noteable" mayor. Per Wikipedia policy on verifibility, this item is noteable given that this is on his city webpage at http://ci.madras.or.us/city_council/councilors_hale.shtml and it was published in a local paper (which was cited), but I removed it a while back since the link to the newspaper has been outdated. If you must make any edits, please discuss it on the discussion page or my talk page rather than just deleting things.

Thank you and have a good day. Victor8698 (talk) 05:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Will he pass WP:NOTE or WP:BIO? If not, he's not notable by Wikipedia standards, which is the consensus used around the wiki for who should be included in Notable Persons sections. That is, notable people should be wikilinked and there should be an awfully compelling reason that the link is a redlink vs. a bluelink. I don't doubt the information is true or verifiable, he's simply not notable by Wikipedia standards, though I'm sure he's a great guy. If he's notable, please write an article about him. Though mayors of small cities are usually not notable. Katr67 (talk) 05:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

If you take a look at other Fraternity and Sorority pages for their alumnus, many of them have alumni that don't have their own Wikipedia page - some of them aren't even cited. Under noteability, local officials can be cited as long as there are enough reliable sources to prove it; for example, being on an official city website would be enough to prove noteability (I have talked to a few other people on Wikipedia about it and it seemed to be enough). I know many alumni of Omega Phi Gamma that have gone to have successful careers in fields such as law and medicine, yet they're not listed because there's not enough noteability under the guidelines. As for the lowercase titles, I didn't revert that back because the new way follows Wikipedia guidelines. I understand Wikipedia is a free community and you are making edits in hopes of making Wikipedia better, but please stop trying to make a point out of this article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor8698 (talk • contribs) 06:24, March 2, 2008

And please don't throw out an accusation of WP:POINT. You will note that POINTY edits are disruptive, and mine were not. I don't have any point to prove, I'm just trying to make the article in compliance with Wikipedia guidelines. I was actually going to check in with Wikipedia:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities to see what their standards are, and you will note I left the entry in and did not revert it back. But I'm dewatchlisting this since you seem to have matters well in hand. In closing, you might want to read about assuming good faith and ownership of articles. Good luck with Wikipedia. Katr67 (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright, maybe that was a little too rash - I apologize. But thanks for all of the advice. Happy editing! 66.68.110.221 (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Not to but in, but on your claim that a city website would bestow notability on the mayor is completely incorrect, as is your idea of what notability is on Wikipedia. First, read WP:NOTE (WP:BIO is a subset for people), it is not really about verifiability, that is a separate issue and policy under WP:V. It can be verified I was born in a certain city on a certain day, and that I went to certain schools, but that does not make me notable in anyway whatsoever. It is coverage in reliable sources (see WP:RS for what that means on Wikipedia) that are independent of the subject (i.e. the mayor here) that provide substantial coverage. Generally, mainstream newspapers, magazines, books, journals, and their online imprints are the best examples of reliable sources. In the case of the mayor, the city's website would not be independent, thus it cannot be used to establish notability. Its not about proving someone is/was mayor, it is about establishing that they are worthy of note. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yummy, tastes like chicken!

		The Resilient Barnstar
		For surviving being bonked, and not killing anyone (at least as far as I know). Welcome back. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I made at least two rude gestures, but I don't think I've killed anyone. I can't speak for my evil twin though. Katr67 (talk) 02:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Eugene "Debbs" Potts

Wow…you fixed my mistake really fast. Were you watching the page? --Kakofonous (talk) 23:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

See the FAQ. ;) Katr67 (talk) 03:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

PA status

How does one get all of the information necessary to make a Wikipedia page that meets the PA status? Creamy3 (talk) 17:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what PA status is. But if you are interested in the quality scale, start here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ. Katr67 (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Ratings

Hi Katr67, how are articles rated for importance and quality? Do you know what the page for Duncan Gibbins would be rated? Thanks. --Creamy3 (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Importance is different for each project. Why don't you check in with WikiProject Films? See their page on assessment. As for quality, this appears to be start class, but again check with the film project. Katr67 (talk) 22:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

For noticing KRRC (FM). That was a fun article to write, I was surprised to find such good sources online! -Pete (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 7 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Malheur Reservation, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--—Dark ^(talk) 10:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Old Buildings and Pictures

Greetings from WP:WikiProject Oregon. Blah blah blah. This week we have our semi-annual Picture Drive and a article creation drive for the NRHP List. For the picture drive, go take a picture, or find a free use one (lots of links to gov sites above) and upload it Wikipedia. For the National Register of Historic Places, find a red link on the main Oregon list or one of the county lists at start a new article. If its more than just a stub, don’t forget to nominate it for a DYK! Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Salem First United Methodist Church

On 15 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Salem First United Methodist Church, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 10:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Page

User:Destructo 087/Userboxes/Fooled2--Destructo^{Talk to me} 02:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

SAR

So Im actually doing the paperwork right now, and my revolutionary ancestor is Chesley Glover from Isle of Wight County, Virginia. I intend on researching more about him and what he actually did. Sorry that took forever to get back to you on.--DerRichter (talk) 20:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Nevada-California-Oregon Railway

Thank you for noticing the difference in reference style and making a clean transition. The existing style appears more suitable for articles where a single citation appropriately covers all information from a given reference. I have become accustomed to using a somewhat different style for situations where multiple line-by-line citations from several references reduce ambiguity of complex or contentious subject matter. (see Portland Terminal Company for an example) I appreciate your willingness to have the C&C Wikilink included in the NCO article in whatever format you feel provides appropriate source identification. Thewellman (talk) 08:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

L. H. Gregory

Unlikely, eh?? OK, now I'm going to have to write that article I have been putting it off. He's in the OSHoF, and was apparently quite an influential figure in the Oregon sports world with his nickname coinage and boxing coverage. Thanks for the motivation! ;-) --Esprqii (talk) 16:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The weather...it's almost spring-like...

Lemme know when you're not so wikibonked, and we can work on getting this up to featured status... — Scientizzle 22:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at the updated version...like it? — Scientizzle 19:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I saw. It's watchlisted, natch. Looks good. Apparently I lied when I said I would work on the rest of it last weekend. Or was it the weekend before? Katr67 (talk) 20:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Just a friendly nudge, and there's definitely no rush. (However, 10 out of 14 marmots say get crackin'!) — Scientizzle 21:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

At first I thought that link said "famous procrastinators"... Katr67 (talk) 22:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Camera

I picked up a Canon PowerShot SD1000 recently and I'm really happy with it. You can read a really fantastic review at http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_sd1000-review/. I've found the reviews at that site to be particularly helpful, and they helped me with my camera choice. Fairly cheap too. It's nice and compact - fits right in my pocket so I can always have it on me (even on those long bike rides!). Good luck! Axcordion (talk) 02:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link! Katr67 (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I've been really happy with Canons too, good image quality, and very understandable user interface. I just got an Olympus indestructible camera, haven't used it much yet though. One newish feature to be aware of is image stabilization. It makes an enormous difference in lowish-light situations, lets you take much, much better photos without a flash. And if you're looking for something real cheap, I've got an old clunker I'd sell you for I dunno, $25. But you probably wouldn't like it too much! Congrats on the find, can't wait to start seeing your photos! -Pete (talk) 02:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I already have an old clunker--an Olympus D-600L, which though lent to me for free and has served adequately, is starting to act up and sucks AA batteries like nobody's business! Thanks for the offer though! Katr67 (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I have a Canon powershot and have had a Minolta. The Minolta had a better lens. But no matter what, get one with a rechargeable Lithium ion battery, NiMH absolutely suck as does anything using AA batteries. I personally will be getting a Pentax DSLR (hopefully soon) so I can use my old lens from my old Pentax 35mm camera. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Batteries. Right. Good to know. I gave away a Pentax lens on Freecycle a couple of years ago. Too bad! Katr67 (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on the find. Try to get something that shoots in RAW format if you are going to be doing a lot of post-processing. I would recommend fighting the urge to get one on the internet and spend a little bit more at a local store (Pro Photo Supply in NW Portland is my favorite) where you can ask questions, try stuff out, and most importantly, take it back if you have a problem. Avoid the chain stores as they typically don't have salespeople that are as knowledgeable. Cacophony (talk) 03:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with a preference for a Lithium-ion battery. My 6 megapixel Pentax Optios take two AA batteries and I use several sets of rechargeable NiMH which last for thousands of photos on a single charge over many hard months. My oldest batteries (10+ years) don't last that long, maybe only 300 photos if not always flashing. If I'm not able to recharge due to being somewhere remote and "uncivilized", it has always been possible to buy AA batteries to save the day. These batteries are the best by far.

My Sony camcorder, on the other hand, uses Li+ batteries. I've had that for 10 years. The damn batteries still cost $80 to $150 depending on size (at least tape prices have dropped dramatically). Battery half-life seems to be a little over a year: that is, their capacity decreases by half each year or so. They take forever to charge (one hour to 70%, 12 hours to 99%), and require an expensive charger. The charge duration prediction (built into the camcorder) gets worse and worse over time too—in the wrong direction. It doesn't seem to matter which generation or how many times the package says "Guaranteed not to develop memory": they all seem to have the same annoying characteristics. My next camcorder is not going to have Li+ batteries. —EncMstr 21:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I endorse EncMstr's preference for using AA batteries. Other things to consider:

1. Do you need an external flash? Some camera's have a hot foot for attaching a flash, some don't.
2. Do you use filters? Some cameras have a full-sized lens ring for using filters, some don't.
3. zoom - some cameras have a 'manual' zoom (controlled by turning a ring on the lens) some are motorized - have to push a button to operate - this can drain the batteries faster.
4. Megapixels - buy as much as you can afford. If you ever want to enlarge photos - or crop part of a photo - the more MP the better.
5. shutter lag - I've never had a problem with this. There is a way to pre-focus and have the camera ready when the moment is right, plus there are modes for firing off a burst of 3 images within a second or so - good for the kid's soccer games.
6. Flash memory cards - these have become so inexpensive it really doesn't matter if you've used one format in the past - just buy new ones. In 2003 a 128MB xD card was $100. Now a 2 GB xD is $40.

Just some things to consider. — Zaui (talk) 17:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

scappooseairport.com as external link for Scappoose Industrial Airpark

Hi Katr67

I noticed you deleted the External Link to scappooseairport.com on the Scappoose Industrial Airpark wiki page. I have added that back in and I hope you might reconsider deleting the external link again. Thank you for your efforts to watch this page, I appreciate that and we need volunteers to edit content. Though ScappooseAirport.com was commissioned and approved by the Port of St. Helens (which manages the aiport), and the businesses at the Scappoose Airport. We know the official name is Scappoose Industrial Airpark, but most call it the Scappoose Airport. As an Industrial Airpark, it is home to many businesses, and this consolidated list of businesses is not found anywhere else on the web. We will also list available properties around the airport both privately owned and publicly owned by the Port of St. Helens, for prospective businesses looking to join an aviation cluster of businesses. We recently launched this site and expect the content to evolve as each business has the ability to add and manage content on the website including maps, links, contact information, available properties, a calendar and a newsletter, weather information, and other information about the airport. If you have any questions or would like to verify this information, please feel free to contact the Port of St. Helens. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scappooseairport (talk • contribs) 04:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for contacting me. If someone removes a link, it's best to discuss the link first rather than reverting the edit. First please read about our external link guidelines. Thanks for letting me know the port sanctions the website, because I looked all over the site and it seemed to be a private commercial website, thus unlikely to be suitable for Wikipedia. You might make the connection clearer on the site somewhere. Now I note that you have a conflict of interest regarding this site, so you might also want to read up on linkspam (our guidelines discourage adding links to sites you own or work for), and take a look at our business FAQ. That said, I think the link can be included, let me ask a couple other editors what they think and I'll add it back if we can reach consensus. That's how Wikipedia works. On a more personal/political note, I'm really kind of anti-sales pitch, as are many Wikipedians, so hearing about how great and useful and "up-and-coming", etc. your site is, as you may notice in the links I've posted, might not be the best approach, especially if you plan to only have a single-purpose account. Wikipedia is not here to help you promote your website, or help people buy property at the airport. So I'm cranky about that, but I try to be fair and since your site appears to be quasi-official, I think it will be OK to include. I'll be copying this discussion on the article's talk page and give me a couple days to check this out. Other users watch this page so they may chime in in the meantime. BTW, we don't have an article on the Port of St. Helens, if you'd like to contribute that way (keeping the guidelines I've linked to in mind). Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 05:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

After checking with the port, this website is affiliated with the port, and should be OK. But I second Katr's caution about getting too involved in editing articles related to your work, and to read WP:COI. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Corvallis-Benton County Public Library

Thanks Katr67 for cleaning up our entry. We are just learning here :-0

I hope to read up on the wiki-etiquette and add some more information shortly. I'm a Reference Librarian at CBCPL.

Regards, Rumcd (talk) 19:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

March 14 OR COTW

Hello again or welcome if you are new to WP:WikiProject Oregon! Last week we did a picture drive and a NRHP creation drive. It’s hard to track the picture results, but I know I saw quite a few pictures added, so great job. With NRHP we added 7 that I saw: Mitchell Recreation Area, Salem First United Methodist Church, Portland City Hall, Crater Lake Lodge, Central Library (Portland, Oregon), Watchman Lookout Station, and Alvin T. Smith House; with most now nominated for DYK’s! So great work everybody.

This week, its back to stubs with one of the largest newspapers in the state, The Register-Guard, and a request with Oregon Coast. Feel free to help with either one, and the paper article is so short a DYK should be pretty easy to get (just need 5X expansion). As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Eugene "Debbs" Potts

Earlier this week I wrote to customer service concerning the inaccuracies and use of copyrighted materials for wiki Eugene Debbs Potts. In the email I asked you to intervene but told you that I would not make any changes unti I heard from you. I went ahead later that evening and tried editing on the chance he wouldn't find out about the changes before he was locked out. I logged in today the 13th and see all the changes I made are gone. How do I make the changes I made become permanent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikkipruden (talk • contribs) 02:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

If you give me a fax number, I will send you the court judgment papers. You may use the link www.pottsvilleoregon.com for reference #3. "Things" belongs to the Foundation. You may also add pottsville's web site as an external link. You are welcome to include information from our web site also. We are in the process of taking Mr Fain back to court for contempt, noit following the judgment. V Pruden —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.237.228.169 (talk) 21:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I will reply on the Potts talk page. Please keep this conversation on the Potts talk page, thanks. Katr67 (talk) 21:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Yer welcome...

...for Bethel. Kudos on SFUMC (which looks good!). Did some more cleanup on Catrike. More photos are "on the list". Now am going for ridey ride while there is a break in the rain. Big Blue Room, here I come! — Twisted86 - Talk - at 20:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Shooting cheez-it crumbs out my nose over this one:

undulating??! -Pete (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

That's gotta hurt. I think I was in Laurelhurt park many years ago, but I'm pretty sure it was me who was undulating, not the streets. Katr67 (talk) 18:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

71.38.147.247

Funny, I was just in the process of writing up the same thing to them. Thanks! --Trashbag (talk) 22:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

De nada. Katr67 (talk) 22:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Non neutral information.

I am confused about the edit. My information provided was the facts regarding the current situation in Salem. The information is verifiable. Salem was known as a city that embraced Golf opportunities for the general public. The quote came from the cities current Land Use Plan, a guide for the city as to the quality of life.

There are many out of date web sites that invite individuals to the city and it's convention center with the illusion that recreational ammenities include the opportunity to play golf. Salem is the only State Capitol west of the Rockies without an affordable municipal golf course for the average income earner to experience this form of recreation. It has become this way in the past 24 months. I guess this makes the community some what unique.

It would only be non neutral to individuals who would want to come to the community and play golf. I suspect a minority group of individuals. Perhaps it is a disappointment in that the only kids who can experience the playing of golf need to have parents with country club memberships.

If walking and hiking are neutral how do they differ from other recreational activities?

Thank you in advance for your kind assistance. I am sure I will need to learn to write in the style that is Wiki acceptable. SLM463 (talk) 03:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

"Salem is without a municipal golf course. At one time Salem identified "Golf courses are the primary example of outdoor recreation use in the Salem urban area, outside of facilities contained within parks." Since 2006, 2 public courses have closed and the last facility open to public play in the city has become semi-private. Visitors are encouraged to come to the State Capitol but leave your golf clubs behind, or plan on driving to facilities 10 to 20 minutes outside the city."

How do you not consider that a POV, specifically referring to the last sentence, which also comes across as an opinion? So, basically, what you did is take a few facts and turn them into "Salem hates golf" which is your point of view. The points about hiking and walking are not expressing an opinion of whether either is a good or bad thing, those sentences inform the reader that those things exist at those places. The NPOV way to present golf info would be (ALL of it needs to be sourced mind you):

"There are three golf courses within the city limits of Salem, and five within 10 miles of the city limits, [or whatever it actually is] with one of these five open to the public. Salem is the only state capitol out of 10 west of the Rockies that does not have a municipal golf course [again whatever it actually is]."

I think the last sentence is a bit of a stretch, as who really cares? It's also the only state capitol in Oregon without a building over 200 feet tall too, and the only state capitol in the Pacific Northwest that starts with the letter S! So both Olympia and Carson City (both something like less than 1/2 the size of Salem) have municipal golf courses. I understand you may be an avid golfer, but remember that Wikipedia is not a WP:SOAPBOX, it is a encyclopedia. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Salem Pioneer Cemetery

you can remove that citation about it being one of largest historic cemeteries.

I know because I personally visited that cemetery as well as the other historic cemetery, Jason Lee Mission Cemetery which is comparable in size. Largest - no way! Somebody must have confused that City View Cemetery which is right west of Salem Pioneer Cemetery is part of it. Pioneer is very small. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuelsenwd (talk • contribs) 23:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for letting me know, though like the original wording, this would be considered original research so I have rewritten the sentence completely. I hope this doesn't come across wrong, but I hope just because I welcomed you doesn't mean I need to be your only contact on Wikipedia. Things like the above issue can be addressed on the article's talk page. Since lots of different editors work on each article, it's best to discuss articles on their talk pages where everyone can contribute, unless you have a specific issue about one editor's edits. You can check the page history to see who has worked on each article. BTW, I see you haven't logged in for a while, so you might not have seen that the reply to your query about Mary Ramsey Wood is on that article's talk page. Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 00:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Vera Katz and History

Howdy folks, its time for another installment of WikiProject Oregon’s Collaboration of the Week! Last week we made some improvements to the Oregon Coast and brought The Register-Guard up to B class while garnering a DYK! Great job to those who lent a hand. This week we finish up the High priority Stubs with former mayor and Speaker of the House, Vera Katz, which is pretty much a Start class now and could easily get to B class. We also have History of Oregon by request. Help out if you can, where you can. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Sinebot mucked my rollback!

Durn bots. -Pete (talk) 22:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I just figgered you thought it was the punctuation that went a step too far... Katr67 (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Columbia Meadows

Nestled. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahhhhhhh!!!!!! Katr67 (talk) 07:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

But not for long. Katr67 (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I reverted two of your edits

See this edit summary and this edit summary. Cheers! Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmph. I can't really wrap my brain around that guideline right now, but it's not the end of the world. Carry on. Katr67 (talk) 22:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Something there needs fixing. There's inconsistent confusion of "RoUGe" and "RoGUe" spellings. I don't have time to sort it out now, but I"ll try to come back. -Pete (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

That's why I moved the "Rouge" spelling away from the "Rogue" entry and bypassed the redir--to clearly show it was a different spelling. <shrug> Good luck. I'm unwatchlisting it, but let me know what you come up with. Katr67 (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Page move vandal

Page move vandals get 1 strike with me. I presume the original edits were made directly after account creation as "dummy" edits, since I don't think new accounts can perform moves, which is pretty common for sleeper accounts as to draw less suspicion. If you want the block reviewed you can bring it to AN/I, but I can't imagine it will be anything other than endorsed. VegaDark (talk) 14:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Debby Applegate

I can confirm the article existed and the brief snipet that is free says Heppner. The Oregonian says she graduated from Clackamas High School: Baker, Jeff. Wordstock best bets. The Oregonian, November 9, 2007. The best bio is: PETER SLEETH. THE MONDAY PROFILE: Debby Applegate - After 22 years, she closes the book on a hit The Oregonian, May 28, 2007. And it confirms they family lived in Heppner briefly, which is apparently the ancestral home to the clan. But I don't have E. Oregonian archive access. Hope that helps. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I looked back through the page history and someone, likely the author, noted that her parents were from Idaho and Heppner. Someone else took that out, and I suppose it's not really relevent unless it's a big influence on her career somehow, though I note in some of her bios that the religious background of her family influenced her interest in Beecher, so there's probably a Jell-O Belt connection to be had in there somewhere. I wonder if the Jell-O belt extends into Oregon at all... Katr67 (talk) 19:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Mountain Elevations

I've noticed that you take an interest in articles about Oregon. As I am sure you have noticed that I have been working on articles concerning the Mountains of Oregon. In the article Southern Oregon Coast Range I changed the source of elevations of peaks from GNIS to Northwest GeoData Clearinghouse, Department of Geology, Portland State University because this is more in keeping with practice within WikiProject Mountains. See a comment by RedWolf here. I know this is not a resolved issue but after working on mountain articles on and off for awhile now it seems to be the general practice to accept the elevations given by SummitPost.org, Peakbagger.com or NGS. The elevations at the Northwest GeoData Clearinghouse seem to have the same source and that is why I chose to use them here. I have used the same source on many of the other mountain articles as well. If you have any questions I would be glad to discuss them with you. --DRoll (talk) 08:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I just check Peakbagger.com and found this page. I'm going to have to rethink some as this data is very different from the facts as stated in the article but it's too late and I'll worry about it tomorrow. --DRoll (talk) 09:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that some of the elevations differed, but not radically, so I wasn't alarmed. I have noticed over the years that citations of the elevation of a particular mountain often differ slightly from one another. I figure that must be par for the course and I'm perfectly happy with a rough estimate. Have members of WikiProject Oregon been changing them back? I'd suggest you talk to them/and or post this message on the project talk page. We have several members interested in mountains, including Encmstr and Aboutmovies (who created most of the Coast Range articles), with whom I see you've already talked. Not having done much work on mountain articles--I think I have written one: Mount Hebo--as a layperson I would probably go with GNIS as it is more "official", while Peakbagger says it is a hobby site. RedWolf brings up some good points though. Sorry I can't be more help--why don't you work with the project for a consensus? We're opinionated, but we get stuff done. Katr67 (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Rare Portland Appearance

To my loyal stalkers: Anybody a fan of the Asylum Street Spankers? I'll be seeing them at the Aladdin tonight. Drop me a note if you'll be there too. Katr67 (talk) 18:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Arg, how did I miss this?! Guy Forsyth is no relation so far as I know (though I've drunkenly claimed he was on several occasions), but my Uncle Dave, whose musical tastes are unfailingly excellent, made me finally give the guy a real listen, and he rocks. Sorry I missed it! Was it good? -Pete (talk) 22:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Very entertaining as always, if even raunchier than usual in places. I like the Alladin, I'd never been there before. And so near the Hotcake House! I've seen 4 or 5 different Spanker configurations but I don't think I've seen them when Guy was still with them. Sounds like Guy is more straight up alt.country than the Spankers now? Check out the SUV video on the Spankers page to see them at their best (opening lyrics a bit not work safe). They come to Oregon about every year or so, be sure to see them next time! Katr67 (talk) 23:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Anti admin club

Well I am sometimes anti-admin because some admins did unfair things to me not long ago. I am generally GENTLE.Dust429 (talk) 14:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

High Pass

Thanks for your help expanding the geography around Low Pass. I created a stub at High Pass (Oregon) to take care of your red link. Something needs to be done about the Tolkien article High Pass. I'm not sure what the best solution is -- propose a move for that article? or just put a disambig link at the top? -- so I thought I'd lean on your expertise...Northwesterner1 (talk) 20:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. No sign of signbot... Anyway, I'm in the middle of something, but I'll check it out when I get a minute. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. Normally I'd just be BOLD and move the page, but High Pass is in a Tolkien template, which means lots of articles link to it. I think it should be redirected to Cirith Forn en Andrath and made into a dab page, but it looks like there is a merge proposal in the works anyway. I don't really want to try to sort that all out right now, since I'm sure the Middle-earth folks will have opinions about this. I added High Pass (Oregon) to the hat note for now but we should probably drop a note on the WikiProject Middle-earth page and see what they think. There are three other High Passes and a High Pass Lake in the U.S...Katr67 (talk) 22:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I put in a word at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth#High Pass. Northwesterner1 (talk) 22:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

It had to brew for about six months before it was ready--much like the thick, itchy water of the lake itself. --Esprqii (talk) 21:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Part of the reason it took me so long was that I wanted to get a picture but I've been too lazy and the weather too crummy, so I finally decided to go with it as is. But hey, it's a nice day now...hmm... --Esprqii (talk) 22:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I have to admit I was secretly thinking "finally". :P So how about some more shots of the old furnace? And while you're at it, can you stop in at Trader Joe's and tell them they should build a store closer to me than that one? I'd appreciate it. Katr67 (talk) 22:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

So, I'll just take the rest of the day off then, thanks. While I'm down there, I could also snap George Rogers House, the Ladd Estate Company Model House, and the Lake Oswego Odd Fellows Hall, and hey! maybe the Oregon Ash down around there is leafing out. I will get the Jantzen place too once it warms up and I can steal my brother-in-law's kayak. I'm putting this in pixels so you will feel free to harass me when I never actually do it. Is that really your closest TJ's? Yikes! --Esprqii (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, 'cos it's not like I ever procrastinate. Yep, my city lacks many things, but you'd think even the folks here could use more Three-Buck Chuck... Katr67 (talk) 22:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Here ya go...

User:Katr67/Bennett Welsh. — Scientizzle 22:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Bicycle Transportation Alliance

Thank you so much for your additions and general sprucing up of the Bicycle Transportation Alliance article. It's looking great now. Keep up the good work. Gobonobo ^{T C} 19:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! I'm a member but hopefully I can keep out the COI, though I do have to say that Floyd Prozanski is my hero. I made a bicycle category too if you run across anything else that should go in there: Category:Cycling in Oregon, especially more images. The BTA seems to be really increasing its visibility lately--there is a Mid-Willamette Valley chapter starting up--so there should be a lot more third-party sources to be had. Happy cycling! Katr67 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Old buildings in Salem

Hey, do you know if this or this or this are NRHP? The last two are at State and High. Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

1) Franklin Building aka Masonic Lodge, Ellis F. Lawrence, NRHP and I already have two images of the facade, rats I should stop slacking 2) See Capitol Theater (Salem, Oregon) 3) I think that's called the Oregon Building, it's a contributing property to the historic district. What else ya got? Katr67 (talk) 05:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. As to prize, more pictures!

1. Image:US Bank downtown Salem Oregon.JPG
2. Image:Pioneer Trust Bank Salem Oregon.JPG
3. Image:Building on State Street in Salem Oregon.JPG

I'm guessing more contributing properties. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! Ladd and Bush bank is architecturally a big deal, I think it's one of the few buildings in Salem with a cast iron facade, and a bunch of it was imported from an identical Bush-owned bank in Portland and added later. Pioneer Trust is NRHP contributing, despite the Moderne remodel on the ground floor. And the shoe place is cute. I've got the old Gothic-looking Salvation Army too, BTW. Capitol Travel, the Richardonsonian thing with the turret is also a big deal. My art history prof showed us an image of an identical building in New York, of which it is an exact copy. Damned if I've been able to find anything about it on the Internet, I guess I'll have to see if the library has his book. Katr67 (talk) 05:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! None look like they have their own NRHP entries though. I did get a couple shots of the turret, but need to try again with less traffic and from across the street. Walked by the JK Gill building, but it didn't look like much going straight by and missed the stuff across the street from it. If its clear again next week I might try for some more. Thanks again. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Didn't wanna leave without saying goodbye.

It was a pleasure working with you, and I greatly appreciate your contributions to all things Oregon-related on Wikipedia. Nor will I soon forget your kindness in tending to the free use battles I left behind.

I'm now fully retired from the project. I wish you all the best. Perhaps we'll bump into each other elsewhere in cyberspace, or even an actual location in our state. "J-M" (Jgilhousen) (talk) 00:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your gracious and thoughtful reply on my talk page. I should have also noted that my retirement will not preclude my occasionally making a "minor edit" if I find a typo or misplaced modifier on a Wikipedia page. And, of course, my offer of hospitality should you find yourself in the Gorge area with some time on your hands still stands, open-ended. I'm in the book. "J-M" (Jgilhousen) (talk) 21:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Gutenberg College Article

Katr - I am a former student of Gutenberg College and I took your suggestion on the talk page of that article to rewrite the article in my own words. I posted it today and am wondering how to further resolve the neutrality dispute. ThanksSarahcculver (talk) 17:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Oregon & Eureka Railroad

Are you quite certain about your conversion of the Oregon & Eastern and Oregon & Eureka Railroad references in the Northwestern Pacific Railroad and the San Francisco and Northwestern Railway articles to Oregon, Pacific and Eastern Railway WikiLinks? The OP&E appears to have been a central Oregon railway, while the O&E was (to the best of my knowledge) limited to coastal California just north of Humboldt Bay. What is your reference for their presumed common identity? Thewellman (talk) 04:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. I thought I was certain, but my reasoning was faulty. I couldn't find anything on the Internet on the Oregon & Eastern so I assumed it was a mistake, and somehow leaped to the conclusion that the OP&E's sister company Yreka and Western must have been what was meant, since that is roughly the area being talked about. That was dumb. Besides which the connection between OP&E and Yreka was much more recent than I realized. So I was wrong, however, the two articles I changed contradict each other. One says "Oregon and Eureka Railroad was formed in 1903 for Southern Pacific Railroad to assume control of logging lines around Arcata at the north end of Humboldt Bay. Merged into Northwestern Pacific in 1911.", while the other says (before I changed it) "Southern Pacific Railroad had simultaneously secured control of the logging lines north of Arcata through their subsidiary Oregon and Eastern Railroad." Are the two companies synonymous? In any case, O&E is mentioned in a few sources: [1], [2], [3]. So please go ahead and revert my changes but, if you could clear up the confusion between the two companies, that would be great. I suspect O&E was very short-lived indeed, since the normally thorough railfan crowd doesn't cover it online. There are a few more hits for O & Eureka, though there are a lot of false hits for O & Eastern to sort through. Of course if everyone who started these articles and added info used full inline citations, this kind of thing would be easier to track down.</soapbox> Thanks for getting in touch, I'm glad you caught that! Katr67 (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, my written references both say "Oregon & Eureka", so I don't know where that "Oregon & Eastern" came from -- probably from late-night editing. Thank you for pointing out that slip from reference to recollection. I have corrected the San Francisco and Northwestern Railway article and included in-line citations for both articles. Borden has the better description, but Stindt's 1978 volume also lists the Oregon & Eureka among the forty-two railroad company predecessors of the Northwestern Pacific. Thewellman (talk) 04:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. Oregon and Eastern is still here. Is that correct? Katr67 (talk) 05:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you again. That locomotive is difficult to find. It was the only O&E engine adopted by the NWP as all the others remained in use by predecessor lumber companies. And it initially carried a different NWP number to add to the confusion. Stindt has the history on page 130. Thewellman (talk) 06:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You might find [4] (and other numbers up to search_5) useful; it's not complete or reliable but can help keep names straight. If you type in "Oregon & E" it gives one result, the Oregon and Eureka Railroad from Samoa to Trinidad. --NE2 17:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Boy I'm tired. I'm thinking "Not only are Samoa and Trinidad nowhere near Oregon, how do they get the trains to run over the water like that?" Katr67 (talk) 06:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to increase the confusion, the O&E also passed through Manila en route. Humboldt County had a fixation for town names ending in A, including Eureka, Arcata, Fortuna, Scotia, Loleta, and Petrolia. Thewellman (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Elected Oregon

Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks and entities. Thanks to those who helped out with improving Vera Katz and History of Oregon during the last Collaboration of the Week! As you may have noticed, we have changed the banners a bit, but not our dedication to everything Oregon! This week, in honor of the political process, we have: Current Oregon Senate members & Current Oregon House members. Hopefully by November we can have an article on every current member of the Oregon Legislature. So feel free to turn a red link blue or expand an existing article. Since it is an election year, there should be plenty of newspaper stories. Plus, the state archives has this site that allows you to go back and see when they started serving and district info, plus at a minimum show they were a state legislator from a WP:RS. And per WP:BIO, all state legislator's are notable so no need to worry about AFD. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

CPs and HDs

Once a historic district has been recognized, any property previously listed is also a contributing property. Daniel Case (talk) 20:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. NHLs are RHPs at the same time, as well. Daniel Case (talk) 23:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

River mile

Glad that youu and others found this a useful article. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

munch munch

Ooooh, I've been busy with real work. I gotta catch up... --Esprqii (talk) 22:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Help

If you have the time and the mood, I have seen that the Lost Valley Educational Center article has been rewritten in a style that seems to me to be self promoting. I would not like to see the article butchered or placed up for deletion as selfpromoting, yet feel that I may be too close (having lived there) to revert or edit the article within a neutral point of view from myself. And I cannot find the template tag that says "wikipedia is not an ad". Thanks rkmlai (talk) 05:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I am a worker at Lost Valley Educational Center, and I was attempting some outreach on WP on behalf of the facility. About 1 1/2 hours later my work was rolled back. I was able to provide much more information than was previously posted, so I was dissapointed to see you updating it with less. I'm aware of WP's proclaimed standards, and I was mostly following them. If you have a vested interest in keeping the page neutral, PLEASE USE the information I spent my time gathering and editing, instead of deleting it because it doesn't fit in with your standards. Because I am working for Lost Valley, they are ok with potentially copyrighted material, such as harmless pictures of the facility, ect.

Because of this encounter, I will write more neutrally, and pay closer attention to the roolz, BUT I will also be much less willing to post information to begin with, if its going to be destroyed so instantly.

On another note, I appreciate and share your love and interest in Oregon, both currently and historically. I love checking out old buildings, such as the McMurphy house in Eugene. In the future, when I have more access to the net I may browse your contributions. Signed Mocosomocoso. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mocosomocoso (talk • contribs) 17:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll reply on your talk page, thanks. Katr67 (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

tThank you for your assistance. rkmlai (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Much Obliged

Just starting out as a Wikipedian and have much to learn. Thanks for the hint.

Ronkonkaman Ronkonkaman (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Juxtaposition COTW

Howdy Ho WikiProject Oregon! Time for another installment of Collaboration of the Week. The last few weeks we’ve knocked out quite a few articles of our current state legislators, and even a few former ones too. Great job to all those who helped make it happen. On a related note, we have had several DYKs from this and now have 53 DYKs so far this year (not counting multiples), less than four full months into the year. Last year we had a total of 83 DYKs for the entire year, and 7 combined for 2006 & 2005. So we are well on our way to another record year. Each time an article makes it to the main page as a DYK it will typically get an extra 1000 hits, which is usually far more than the typical 100 hits per month most minor articles receive. With that said, this week we have two requests, Portland Lumberjax and Silicon Forest. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article O. P. Hoff, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 21:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I did? Cool! Katr67 (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

I'll take the fact that the cake only has about 25 candles as a nice compliment :) -Pete (talk) 22:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

how you say...

I saw you were giving NW pronunciation lessons. I finally learned Idanha, but I need a reliable source on Scio.

Somebody with full-on NW creaky voice needs to record the names of all these dadblasted places.

--Esprqii (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

How do you pronounce Idanha? Scio? That's easy. I know a native Scioian, and it's pronounced SIGH-oh. And I recently learned that Pratum is PRAT-um, not PRATE-um. Katr67 (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I knew a—Scio-onium? Scionite? Sciolander?—who said the worst pronunciation he ever heard for it was ess see ten. —EncMstr (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

They were calling it "ih-DAN-uh" (rhymes with Dan Tanna) on the news when it was snowed in. I usually trust the weatherpeople for local town pronunciation as without that, they lose whatever cred they might have actually had.

Dang it, Pratum breaks the usual Oregon rule that "if it looks like you should use Romance language rules--don't." (qv Estacada.

SC10--heh. Thanks guys! --Esprqii (talk) 01:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

SC10?! I'll have to tell my friend that. It sounds like a tractor engine additive... My latest mission is to disseminate the sad-but-true information that Buena Vista follows the above mangle-all-foreign-languages rule: BYOONA (rhymes with Tuna) Vista. Katr67 (talk) 01:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Northwest cities with goofy pronunciation anyone? --Esprqii (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm such a novice....

I don't even know if you got my message of a few minutes ago regarding Young's Scouts. If not, please email me at jcdurand3391@gmail.com and I'll try again. Thanks. Jcdurand3391 (talk) 11:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC) John Durand

Young's Scouts

Hi, My name is John Durand and I'm writing a history of the 1st North Dakota Volunteers in the Philippine-American War. One of my sources is an unpublished diary kept by John Baxter Kinne, a later member of Young's Scouts. I received a photo of the Scouts from Kinne's family with the understanding that I would include it in my book. The only person the family could identify in the picture is Kinne. I would like to post this picture on the Wiki entry for Young's Scouts and seek help in identifying other members. However, I don't know how to do this and am wondering if you might help. To my knowledge there are only two pictures of Young's Scouts, one taken at Baliuag and this one, taken in Manila on the Scouts' return from Lawton's Northern Campaign. Kinne's diary says they went directly from the train station to a photo gallery to have their picture taken. The Baliuag photo may or may not be in the public domain. I have also compiled a complete roster of Young's Scouts which I intend to include in my book as an appendix. I would be willing to add this information to Wiki, but as copywrited material, as I did considerable to research to get the full names and other information regarding the soldiers' service as Scouts. I hope to hear from you one way or another. jcdurand3391@gmail.com 75.130.24.242 (talk) 11:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi John, that sounds really interesting! I have to run, but for now, the short answer. (And, Psst, don't forget to sign in).

• I really don't think a Wikipedia article is the place to get your photo identified. See what Wikipedia is Not for more information. Basically, the article should be just like something you would find in a print encyclopedia, and shouldn't contain 2nd person instructions or contact info like "If you can help identify the people in this photo, please contact fooian@blahblah.org"
• If you're unsure about the copyright status of the photo, it is likely to be deleted anyway
• If your material is copyrighted, it can't be in the article
• Until your book is published, it sound like the info you want to add to the article is a) Original research b) From primary sources. We need to be using citations from what are considered reliable sources, and though I'm sure the info you have is accurate, it doesn't fit those criteria.

I think if you look at the article's talk page, you will see a link to the military history WikiProject. I bet they would be able to give you more advice. More later, Katr67 (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Katr67, Thanks for your helpful reply. I wish I knew of a Wiki-like site for cooperating on the kind of research I'm doing on Young's Scouts. I think I'll just post the photo on my Puzzlebox Press website and ask for help. Yesterday I went into the Young's Scouts entry and changed an erroneous date: Young could not have been wounded in 1898 because Lawton's Northern Campaign was fought in 1899. Today I noticed the date had been changed back to 1898, which is the wrong date. I regret that I don't have more time to learn the intricacies of Wiki (which seem very complex) but I'll do what I can to extend the fund of human knowledge.Jcdurand3391 (talk) 11:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The rules are kind of complex but if you skim through the links provided in the welcome template on your talk page, you'll be able to understand most of it. The problem with your change of date was:

• You weren't signed in
• You didn't leave an edit summary

Anonymous vandals like to come along and make subtle changes in articles like that, so the editor who reverted it probably took it for vandalism. You can also see the page history to see when and possibly why your change was reverted, and by whom. So if you want your change to stick, sign in, to show you're not a random vandal, and explain in the edit summary the reason for your change. If the date you're putting is different from what is common knowlege, you many have to provide a citation, and/or open a discussion about the discrepancy on the article's talk page. I hope that helps! Katr67 (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Scene Missing Magazine

I'm the admin and owner of the online photoblog/interview website Scene Missing Magazine. Recently, I updated the permalinks for several interview links on wikipedia pages,and was surprised to find today that that not only had all the time I spent doing this had been undone, but my website was coming up in a google search to a wikipedia discussion of whether or not I was spamming wikipedia. What bothers me most is that simply following the link verifies it as legitimate, and yet these links were removed. Please contact me regarding this at scene.missing.magazine@gmail.com 04/22/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.216.203 (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have time to contact you via e-mail. I simply reported the situation as possible Spam at WikiProject Spam I had no hand in deleting the links or blacklisting the website. Please check the page history of the articles in question and contact the user/s who made the deletions. You are also encouraged to take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#Scene Missing Magazine? Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

FSA Images

I know -- I was surprised to see Lange also. You can search the Library of Congress's digital collection here: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/mdbquery.html. Then choose preview images. The search results with a blue border around them have digital files online. There are a lot of FSA images of the Vale-Owyhee irrigation project, etc. best, Northwesterner1 (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

your edit just now

I think you didn't mean to remove all the text you just removed here - can you fix please? thanks Tvoz |talk 20:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Never mind - I fixed it - but you can check to be sure yours is where you wanted it. You may have been editing from an earlier version of the page which caused the other unrelated text to be deleted, but you should have gotten an edit conflict advisory. Don't know what happened. Tvoz |talk 20:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Of course not. I have no idea why that happened. Thanks for fixing it. Katr67 (talk) 20:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict again!)I've got several windows open right now and I'm multitasking, but yeah, if the page was stale I should have gotten the edit conflict message. <shrug> Thanks for putting it back in the right place. I blame Pete. </joke> Katr67 (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

hahaha I don't know Pete, but I'll take your word for it... cheers Tvoz |talk 20:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I think he was posting on that page the same time I was. We're pals, don't worry. Take care, Katr67 (talk) 20:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Full Sail

Hello Katr, My edits were trying to get the entry up to date and correct inaccuracies. I am the Brewmaster, so i appreciate the toning down... BrewmasterFSBC (talk) 06:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral. Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations. Thank you again, VanTucky

You're coming to WikiWednesday? Awesome! That's wonderful Katr67. See you there, VanTucky 22:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

:-)

		The Rescue from Deletion Barnstar
		is hereby awarded to User:Katr67 for saving Warren, Oregon from speedy deletion and turning it into a great article. Great work!--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 07:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 14:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The Leaburg, Oregon rescue

Nice rescue on Leaburg, Oregon, on which I requested a speedy. And looking at the entry above that state owes you an ever-growing debt. :-) 196.211.5.241 (talk) 11:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, my session timed out there. Preceding comment by me. 9Nak (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

What can I say? One of my cats is a native of Leaburg. No way I could let her down. :) Katr67 (talk) 14:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Searchbox help

OK, whoever is watching this page, help me out here. What is up with the autocomplete in the search box, and how do I make it go the heck away? Katr67 (talk) 04:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Under my preferences, search, click "Disable AJAX suggestions" . Aboutmovies (talk) 05:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! Katr67 (talk) 06:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I'm watching you! Aboutmovies (talk) 06:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Eeek! Make the scary man go away! Katr67 (talk) 06:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

David Wolman

Thanks for diving in and doing the work! It looks like Tillamook Air Museum was a full-on collaboration thanks to your instigation. —EncMstr (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: List of University of Oregon people

As you might have noticed by now, I have reverted the move and left a message on the talk page of the person who moved it. VegaDark (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

joke

You forgot to mention that second-place finish in your school's Battle of the Bands...Hope you don't mind that I cribbed your boilerplate box, though I think I changed it enough to avoid a copyvio.  ;-) --Finngall ^talk 17:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Rats. Yeah, just don't go pirating my pirate pirating userbox. Or BGD will come get you... "Where's my golden aaaarrrrmmmmm????" Katr67 (talk) 17:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

IE

Thanks, I was looking at Monobook too, which is my FF setting, but for some reason in IE, the font is all screwed up--like it's rendering at a size that the browser doesn't support. I'm sure if I decided to stick with IE I'd figure it out eventch. But never mind for now. And hey, aren't you supposed to be on break? --Esprqii (talk) 22:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Dang, I must've missed that. But surely you mean popped Zea mays? --Esprqii (talk) 23:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm caught up now. How did I totally miss that? So much for my total information awareness. --Esprqii (talk) 23:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Educational Accountability and Standards System

I wondered the same thing. I was overwhelmed by the size of the article; it was absolutely unreadable until I identified buried section headers and formatted it. My first thought was a copyvio, but it looks like you did some digging. I think you concluded there are no sources to cite, so I guess we wait to see what he does. —EncMstr (talk) 01:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)