Talk:Zhu Dawei (baseball)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 04:21, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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Zhu Dawei (baseball) → Zhu Dawei – Unnecessary disambiguation Joeykai (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support No other Zhu Dawei article exists. Stickee (talk) 01:54, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose I know no other article exists yet, but in Google Books the most hits go to historian Zhu Dawei (historian) (朱大渭 1931) author of The Social History of the Six Dynasties and many other books, we in fact cite him in our en.wp Three Kingdoms articles. The search term "of Zhu Dawei" - using 朱大渭 obviously - Chinese Google Books produces 50 hits citing his works, and not just citing in passing but as a leading authority, as do some English Google Books, e.g.: "Zhu Dawei has observed that many cities during this period had double walls.. He has found evidence... He ascribes... " (Albert E. Dien Six Dynasties Civilization 2007 p.31), his views, and Zhu Dawei (historian) has a Baidu encyclopedia entry. "朱大渭 + 1931" gives two sources Wenshi Zhishi 1988 p.3 and Wenshi Zhuanjia Tan Zhixue 1994 p.135 giving biodata. Then there are other Zhu Daweis - Zhu Dawei a "prominent Shanghai pastor" (Lian 2010) who changed his name to Zhu Big Revolution, and so on. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:37, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Joeykai User:Stickee, ahah Zhu Dawei (historian) bio at Chinese Academy of Social Sciences... no wonder he has a Baidu entry, he's an honor member of CASS. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

• Obvious Support. No other Zhu Dawei articles exist. There is no need to disambiguate from imaginary articles that don't. If one feels so strongly that there are others by this name noteworthy enough for articles, one is of course welcome to create said articles. When said articles actually exist would be the proper time to discuss the need to disambiguate. It's pointless to do it now. Egsan Bacon (talk) 05:46, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Why do these discussions about removing (athlete) from minor Chinese sportspeople with common names always end up with adding an article on someone more notable with the same common name? User:Marc87 reviewed and moved this article to (baseball) the day after it was created back in 2009. I'm guessing Marc87 knew that there were various other Zhu Daweis. Consequently it's been sitting here stable with (baseball) all of the article's life and so what now is the urgency to disguise that this is a baseball player? Almost all baseball players have (baseball) or (baseball, born xxxx) and what exactly are we ambiguating here? this:

Zhu Dawei (simplified Chinese: 朱大卫; traditional Chinese: 朱大衛; pinyin: Zhū Dàwèi; born 25 July 1988 in Shanghai, China) is a Chinese baseball pitcher for the Saitama Seibu Lions. He was a member of the China national baseball team in the 2009 World Baseball Classic

This isn't Paris vs Paris, Texas where there's a real case for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC this is a 26 year old sportsperson who has a ranking stat on Japanesebaseball.com. Good for him, but that's several dozen notches short of the historian who now has an article. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. A case might even be made that the new article at Zhu Dawei (historian) be moved over the DAB, rather than the baseball player. Andrewa (talk) 01:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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