Talk:William Bronston

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the great nephew of Leon Trotsky was a physician for the Black Panther Party and helped deinstitutionalize Willowbrook State School? Source: "Raised in Hollywood, he was also the son of a major movie producer, Samuel Bronston, and the great nephew of socialist revolutionary Leon Trotsky." (Nisbet 2021, p.39); "...he moved to New York, where he served as the main physician for the Black Panther Party." (Nisbet 2021, p.39); "He then moved to New York City, and in the early 1970s he became a major force in publicizing and protesting the horrendous conditions at Willowbrook, a state facility on Staten Island that housed 5,000 mentally disabled adults and children. These efforts culminated in a 1975 state court decision to deinstitutionalize the facility’s patients." (Rogers 2001, p. 19). Full book titles can be found in the article.
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Created by Freedom4U (talk). Self-nominated at 12:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William Bronston; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
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• Other problems: - Is Deinstitutionalisation what is meant here? If so, I think it should be linked in the lead and body of the article as readers may not understand. (In the hook we could leave it unlinked or rephrase to add a link without creating a sea of blue.)

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Great hook and a very interesting article! — Bilorv (talk) 23:07, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

• @Bilorv: Thank you! I've addressed your concerned about wikilinking deinstitutionalization. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 16:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• ALT0 approved. Thanks for the quick response! — Bilorv (talk) 20:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

"particularly relevant"

@GiantSnowman I'm sorry for creating so many discussions, but regarding including Trotsky in the infobox, I'd like to point out that the guidelines state that it needs to be "particularly relevant" to the article, not simply notable (in the general sense or in the Wikipedia sense). I'm not quite certain what being included in the DYK hook really has to do with all this. There's one book that provides a mention of him being the great nephew of Trotsky when introducing him, but that's really it. Him being related didn't impact of influence him, hell he didn't even know him. I doubt that the distant relationship counts as "particularly relevant". ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 19:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

If it's notable enough for DYK, then it's notable enough for the infobox - and that seemed to be your concern? GiantSnowman 19:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Anything is "notable enough" for DYK so long as it is supported by an in-line citation in the body of the article. I'm unsure what that has to do with the guideline that relatives added to the infobox must be "particularly relevant" to the subject of the article.

A small aside, in case this is the confusion, the guidelines for relatives is stricter than the guidelines for parents/children. Parents/children only require the person to be either independently notable or particularly relevant (emphasis my own). Relatives (and distant relatives like this) require the person to be both independently notable and particularly relevant (again emphasis my own). ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 19:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)