Talk:Wight (disambiguation)

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Huh? Wight may also refer to: Isle of Wight Festival, music festival in the Isle of Wight
But not the island itself at all, since it is not linked? 85.217.21.147 (talk) 22:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 7 January 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 09:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

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• Wight (disambiguation) → Wight
• Wight → Wight (folklore)

– DAB from the various meanings listed at the DAB page. While this does receive significantly more views than the surname and Dungeons & Dragons, the Isle of Wight gets many more and is a level 5 vital article.[[1]] Apart from the WP article and Collins Dictionary the Isle of Wight appears to come up almost entierly in page after page of Google results. A Google Book search also shows nearly all results for the island and also the one in Virginia. I don't think that the island is primary since I think its unlikely people searching in an encyclopedia (as opposed to a search engine) would use just "Wight" but the searches would at least suggest no primary topic. The DAB page includes "Wight" as a region of the English Channel (which is just a link to another article and thus doesn't have views). Isle of Gigha, Isle of Mull, Isle of Noss, Isle of Raasay and Isle of Skye don't include the "Isle of..." prefix in the article names even though its on the OS (although there is an open RM for Noss). The target matches Brownie (folklore) but maybe Wight (creature) would be better. There has also been discussion at Talk:Wight about merges and disambiguation. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 04:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - The folklore topic is primary topic among others topics which use the exact title. "Isle of Wight" and any topics named after that are not exact title matches. Proposers search results may point to the need to expand the hatnote on this page to include a link to Isle of Wight], but doesn't justify displacing the primary topic. -- Netoholic @ 04:53, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support - We haven't a redirect for Wight (sea area) or similar (nor for any other sea area, as far as I can tell), but that would be an exact title match. Nevertheless, a gsearch for "Wight -Isle -corpse -dead -death -monster" gives me companies and people, not the sea area (which is what would spring to mind to me personally). I still get a masp of the Isle of Wight on Page 1, though.

(In passing I've reworded the DAB entry for the sea area, per WP:DABPIPE.) 92.249.211.146 (talk) 08:08, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support. I agree with the idea that the folklore topic for "wight" is not the primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:56, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support - way too obscure for primary topic Red Slash 21:22, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nom. —  AjaxSmack  22:27, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose the only other prominent topic appears to be the Isle of Wight, which I don't think is a naming conflict; as an American I've never heard the isle referred to as "Wight". A hat-note on the Wight article would be justified. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose no evidence that this subject is not the primary topic. No evidence that this is a common search term for "Isle of Wight". As others have noted, this is the only prominent topic referred to, and likely to be searched for, as "Wight". That's the definition of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --В²C ☎ 20:44, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

  @Born2cycle: Here you made the argument that Chocolate brownie is primary for "Brownie""Brownies" based on Google. Although a site:wikipedia.org Wight returns the folklore first, as opposed to the Chocolate brownie for site:wikipedia.org Brownies. The main (and Book) searches at least would suggest that there is no clear PT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

  Yes, the chocolate brownie is PT and the wight folklore is PT, as both are the first topic returned by Google for searches at site:en.wikipedia.org. Perfectly consistent. --В²C ☎ 00:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

  Oh, now I see what you mean. The chocolate brownie is primary for the plural brownies too, per the Google test. Well, things are a little gray and different when trying to make a distinction with plural forms of search terms. --В²C ☎ 01:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

  I'm not sure how you can reach the conclusion that both "Brownies" and "Wight" have primary topics based on Google. Although the chocolate and folklore come up first in a Google search limited to ENWP, that isn't necessarily strong evidence that there is a primary topic, it only tells us which topic would be primary. For example when searching site:en.wikipedia.org Mercury the element comes up first (followed by the planet) but that doesn't mean that the element is the WP:Primary Topic for "Mercury", it merely shows that its probably the most likely. For the same reason you pointed out at the Freston discussion about Tom not being primary for "Freston" (even though you clearly didn't think the village was), it seems like there is insufficient evidence that the folklore is primary. This is especially the case given that the island dominates the other Google searches (even though I don't think they are good evidence that the isle is primary). If you search on a plain Google search and a Google Books search, does the island dominate? Likewise you probably get different results if you're searching from Google.com, instead of Google.co.uk and due to you're location. What does searches, both limited to WP and general give you for "Birmingham", "Gloucester", "Winchester" and "Carlisle" for example.

  Sorry I missed the final "s" when referring to the primary topic of "Brownies" (which obviously changes things). Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:23, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. No indication of change in primary topic for the single-word title. That other isles use other names for their common name and Isle of Wight doesn't support the proposal; it indicates that the isle's common name isn't Wight while Skye's common name isn't Isle of Skye. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Yep, I'd definitely say the folklore creature is the primary topic. IMO, this move request is somewhat akin to moving Zombie or Ghost away from their current titles. Steel1943 (talk) 19:19, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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