Talk:Vladimir Burliuk

Ukraine spelling

Please provide the Ukrainian spelling of his name abakharev 22:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I totaly agree. Anyway, Google gives 12,100 for Vladimir Burliuk, and 925 for Wladimir Burliuk. —dima/s-ko/ 02:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Added a new category to this page Mike Lawrence Turner 18:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Nationality

@Vanjagenije Burliuk is Ukrainian, both in cultural upbringing, ethnicity, and nationality, whether or not Ukraine was currently under occupation. Its important the cultural differences between Ukraine and Russia, whos distinctions were destroyed during the russification process in which Ukrainian national and cultural identity was erased are realized, as part of the greater decolonization process. This change in thinking reflects the identification of Burliuk in the majority of post 1991 sources. And while were at it, why is his name spelled with polish conventions? Bigshlomo (talk) 01:17, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

As per our guideline: The opening paragraph should usually provide [...] the country, region, or territory, where [...] the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable. This person was born, lived whole life, and died in the Russian Empire. His Ukrainian ethnicity is not disputed here. It is clearly states in the "Biography" section. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:39, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

“Usually”. It’s a guideline, we still have discretion. Artists like this can’t always be judged using the same set of standards, his art is inspired by aspects of his Ukrainian childhood and of its society. Burliuk’s contributions to Ukrainian culture should be acknowledged. It’s the same reason many prominent Ukrainian political figures from the same era are listed as Ukrainian in nationality. They are no less “Russian” than Burlliuk, but their Ukrainian identity is the root of their notability. I’m sure you know this, but one of Wikipedias core policies is that “ all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source”. The fact is that the current consensus among artistic/academic institutions is that Burliuk is Ukrainian. Wikipedia is not a place to push your own agenda, and with regards to what I said above and the decolonization movement, its only right we make the distinction. Bigshlomo (talk) 13:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

So is that a yes or a no? If you're not responding im going to assume you accept my argument. Bigshlomo (talk) 13:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Use Vladimir Burliuk

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 20:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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Wladimir Burliuk → Vladimir Burliuk – Most sources call him this + better reflects Ukrainian identity Bigshlomo (talk) 18:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support: JSTOR: "Vladimir Burliuk" = 26 results, "Wladimir Burliuk" = 1 result, Google Ngram doesn't even have data on the latter. –Vipz (talk) 10:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Why is the article even called Wladimir? His name would generally be transliterated into English as Vladimir from Russian and Volodymyr from Ukrainian. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Support because it’s an improvement as the common English romanization of the Russian name (Volodymyr Burliuk would reflect his Ukrainian identity).  —Michael Z. 15:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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