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A number of articles contain the word “retardataire”, which is rarely used – it is e.g. not listed in Merriam-Webster. Is there an article here best suited for them to link to, or should they just link to wikt:retardataire? Wiktionary currently makes no mention of a special meaning in art, but one external page,, defines it specifically for art and has a sample sentence referring to art, which nicely illustrates that it is mostly used in a derogative sense, but can be used by some in a positive sense (as, BTW, has happened with other names in art history before): “a mature painter, he is frozen somewhere in the mainstream of the past, his work a quixotic attempt to make a virtue of being retardataire”. If there is no article to link to, should at least the Wiktionary entry be adapted to reflect that meaning? ◅ Sebastian 17:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm not don't think there is an article that would make a good target for a link. The OED defines it as "A person who appears behind the times or who is resistant to innovation, a conservative; spec. an artist working in a style characteristic of an earlier period". I suppose we could just edit Wiktionary to improve that entry. Vexations (talk) 19:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes. It is quite common in art history, & if M-W don't have it (even the big one?), that's their fault. Johnbod (talk) 19:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Actually, I wasn't using the ‘big one’, but just their website. But I realize it was a mistake to bring up M-W; we're not here for them but for Wikipedia.
I had hoped we had an article here covering such questions as • Which styles have been called ‘retardataire’ by reliable sources? • Which noteworthy artists are often considered ‘retardataire’? • Are there any artists who take the word as a virtue? • Connection to other names in art that originally were pejorative, such as “gothic”... ◅ Sebastian 15:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Help with draft page on Chris DoroszEdit

Hello, Visual Arts Project editors. I work with Canadian artist Chris Dororsz and am here on his behalf. I prepared a draft page about him, which I just submitted for review. We're both highly conscious of COI requirements and interested and I work with Canadian artist Chris Dororsz and am here on his behalf. I prepared a draft page about him, which I just submitted for review. We're both highly conscious of COI requirements and want to do things the correct way. Any help or guidance you can provide is welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LO for Chris Dorosz (talkcontribs) 18:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Do you mean you work with Canadian artist Chris Dororsz and am here on his behalf, and you prepared a draft page about him, which you just submitted for review, and you're both highly conscious of COI requirements? Randy Kryn (talk) 18:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Well, there is nothing like making a great first impression. Thanks for bearing with me. LO for Chris Dorosz (talk) 21:23, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
This is probably about User:LO_for_Chris_Dorosz/sandbox. It could be a while before this is reviewed. My first impression is that you've tried refbombing as a strategy. A reviewer who is presented with 43 reference is going to think: "You want me to read all that?" instead of "Wow, forty-three references. Impressive! Let me skip all those and give it a quick pass." Now, as a rule, I always read ALL references, but I usually take a quick look at where they're all from before. Looking at your refs, I'd see,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,, and I'd think; "are any of these significant coverage in independent, reliable sources? The Atlantic perhaps? They're not really known for their art writing, but let's check them out." And then I'd see "This Content is made possible by our Sponsor; it is not written by and does not necessarily reflect the views of The Atlantic's editorial staff. See our Advertising Guidelines, or email to learn more". It's going to be pretty hard to recover from that. In summary, this isn't going to impress anyone and you're better off with three really good sources. If they exist, of course. Vexations (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the outstanding feedback. I had the same concerns coming in and am happy to weed out what isn't appropriate. Ref overkill is kind of a default position for me. I almost omitted the Atlantic sponsored content, except it did produce some good exposure for him—but exposure isn't what this is about. If there is anything I can do, or info I can chase, please let me know. LO for Chris Dorosz (talk) 21:23, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

request assistance with Majd RamdanEdit

I have been trying to review the article Majd Ramdan, but am finding it next to impossible to verify the claims made in the article. I would appreciate assistance from other editors who can read Arabic and/or know more about the art world in Lebanon or the Middle East than I do. For example; I cannot confirm that there is a "Salon of International Artists", an "Academy of Michelangelo for Fine Arts", a Marshall Church in Amman, that Lebanon (or any country for that matter) is represented at the Florence Biennale, that Lebanon has an award called the "Golden Shield of the Republic", or that there is such a thing as the "Distinguished International Award". I suspect that some of this difficulty comes from translations, so perhaps someone who can read the sources in Arabic can point me in the right direction. Thanks, Vexations (talk) 19:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

William TurnerEdit

I'd like to write an article about one of Turner's niche paint 1, 2 on the Polish wiki. Unfortunately, I cannot find sources that will allow me to write more than one sentence. Could someone recommend literature, websites or other sources that mention this painting? --SkrzydlatyMuflon (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

@SkrzydlatyMuflon: You might try looking at the following books. Internet Archive will require registration.
  • Hardy, William (2003). Turner. Secaucus, N.J: Chartwell Books. ISBN 978-0-7858-1649-2. OCLC 1245893535 – via Internet Archive.
  • Hirsch, Diana (1969). The world of Turner, 1775-1851. Time-Life Books. OCLC 958956494 – via Internet Archive.
  • Koch, Horst (1988) [1976]. Joseph Mallord William Turner. Avon, England: Artline Editions. ISBN 978-1-871487-08-4. OCLC 1204323618 – via Internet Archive.
  • Lindsay, Jack (1966). J.M.W. Turner : his life and work : a critical biography. Harper and Row. OCLC 1150046288 – via Internet Archive.
  • Stainton, Lindsay (1985). Turner's Venice. New York: G. Braziller. ISBN 978-0-8076-1134-0. OCLC 560901287 – via Internet Archive.
Peaceray (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Roberta ImperatoriEdit

There is a disagreement about one of the main sources used in the article Roberta Imperatori, the Enciclopedia d'arte italiana. One of the authors of the article claims they have reviewed the source and believes it has a scientific committee. There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Enciclopedia_d'arte_italiana Is this a reliable source? Vexations (talk) 13:07, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:List of most expensive artworks by living artists#Separation of NFT sales and artwork sales​ (now also an RfC)Edit

This looks like it'll need more comments and a possible RfC (EDIT:now also an RfC). Come join in (and bring a bigger tent). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

+1 😊 SiliconRed (talk) 16:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)