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List of statues on Paseo de la ReformaEdit

If you've been to Mexico City and/or have an interest in public art displayed along Paseo de la Reforma, I'm currently working on List of statues on Paseo de la Reforma. See talk page for ongoing discussions and requests for help identifying subjects in images hosted at Wikimedia Commons.

Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Trouble at Persian miniatureEdit

What is a "morse"?Edit

"Morse in silver and enamel", designed by Herbert Maryon

This object was published in a 1903 issue of The International Studio (link), and described as a "morse in silver and enamel". It was designed by Herbert Maryon and executed by Thomas Clark, both of the Keswick School of Industrial Art. Does anyone have an idea what it is? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 04:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

From the disam page: "Morse, an archaic word for the clasp of a cope" - I'd query archaic really. Add it to the commons category! Happy Christmas & New Year everyone - Adoration of the Shepherds (Cariani) was my Christmas card this year, Johnbod (talk) 11:58, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
That makes sense, thanks. I had gotten it into my head that the morse was too big to be such a clasp, when clearly the photo just makes it look larger than it is. Good to see the examples on commons. --Usernameunique (talk) 02:55, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Florine StettheimerEdit

There is a new editor who is eager to contribute (the author of The Life and Art of Florine Stettheimer, it seems), see discussions at Talk:Florine Stettheimer and Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests#I_need_assistance_from_a_Senior_Editor. If you'd like to help, please do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:33, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Asking Wikipedia Editors to Please Approve & Replace new Florine Stettheimer Entry. (Detailed request as per Grabergs Graa Sang's mention above)

Unfortunately, the current, factually inaccurate, Stettheimer entry in Wikipedia was written by a graduate student based on incorrect and in some cases untrue information taken from an old source (who admitted in the book itself) that he "made up" and "exaggerated" what he wrote about the artist. As the writer of the only extant biography of the artist Florine Stettheimer, I have written a more comprehensive, and factually accurate entry on the artist and the significance of her work at User: Barbarabloemink/sandbox I would greatly appreciate a Wikipedia editor reading it and helping replace my more comprehensive, factual and up-to-date Stettheimer entry (far more reliable sources, both primary and factual,) with the existing entry which also does not prioritize her significance or the importance of her work. As there was no accurate biography of the artist until mine was published, a number of articles and books that are quoted in the existing article have continue(d) to quote the early source with its "alternative facts", untrue statements, and exaggerations that have completely marginalized the artist. Also, in the last decade, the artist's work has been recognized as having a great deal more significance than her being merely a "jazz saloniste" as the current entry implies. The existing Wikipedia entry also does not include most of the major reliable and primary sources on her work.

I originally did try and was able to correct significant falsehoods in the first paragraphs of the current entry, however, there was too much information that needed to be added, unreliable sources that stated outright lies (as can be checked via actual writings from the artist herself,) that needed to be deleted, and primary sources missing, that editors at Wikipedia would not allow me to continue doing sufficient editing/re-writing on the current entry to do the artist's biography/art work's significance and reliable sources justice.Therefore I was forced to write a comprehensive and factually accurate entry on Florine Stettheimer at 'User: Barbarabloemink/sandbox,' Several terrific Wikipedia editors helped me edit this according to Wikipedia format and suggested that I come to this site to request assistance in REPLACING the entry I have written with their assistance with the current, unreliable, inaccurate Stettheimer entry on Wikipedia. My only interest is to ensure that the WIKIPEDIA Entry on Florine Stettheimer provides Factual, Truthful, Accurate and Significant information on this Important Early Feminist Artist for interested readers!

I realize that this entire issue of "alternative facts" and credible sources is a complex one on a site like Wikipedia which is "collaborative" however I am the only recognized Stettheimer scholar spent 20 years conducting and writing factual research on the artist, wrote the only extant biography, and interviewed the only family members and friends of the artist who knew her before they all passed away. The entry on User: Barbarabloemink/sandbox has many many reliable sources quoted, and hopefully many others will continue to it into the future - but at least it will be factual and comprehensive from the outset! As there is no "Head Judicial Forum" to whom to appeal, I am appealing to whoever has the ability to replace the current inaccurate entry with User:Barbarabloemink/sandbox, so that interested readers/students/the public will be able to trust what they read in Wikipedia about Florine Stettheimer is factually reliable and not "false facts." Thank you in advance for your help with this. Barbarabloemink (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2019 (UTC)Barbarabloemink January 24 2019Barbarabloemink (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Commons attempt to remove image of Veiled ChristEdit

Deletion request here, image here What happened is I nominated the image for Picture of the Day, and whamm, somebody wants it removed from its page and the site. This is an image of a truly remarkable statue, an almost unbelievable human creation. Please consider commenting on its Picture of the Day nomination as well. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:15, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

UPDATE: The nominator has uploaded another nice image of the statue, and this one could work if someone horizontally cropped out some of the onlookers. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
UPDATE: I think there is far more than enough evidence now to save this image from deletion, but who knows how these things go. If COMMONS ignores the data, and I don't really see how they can, is there an appeals process? The 'picture of the day' nom was defeated because the image wasn't large enough. But what came of it is the awareness that only one marble statue has ever been made picture of the day, and another one was nominated by the same fellow mentioned above. If you have marble statue favorites and the images is more than 1500px by 1500px then it would be eligible. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:32, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Image widths and infobox at Talk:Witches' Sabbath (The Great He-Goat)Edit

There are some ongoing discussions at Talk:Witches' Sabbath (The Great He-Goat) re: images and whether or not the article should have an infobox, if any project members care to weigh in. The conversations started when the article appeared on the Main Page today. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:28, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

New article: Portrait of Don Miguel de Castro, Emissary of CongoEdit

Hi people,

I created a new article, Portrait of Don Miguel de Castro, Emissary of Congo. As I'm not very well-read on visual arts, I don't know on which articles to reference this painting. It remains a bit of an orphan. Any help is very much appreciated! Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 18:44, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

I've added Category:Black people in art, which seems the first thing to do. Johnbod (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Comments please at Talk:Laocoön and His Sons#Darwin's commentEdit

Where there's an ongoing discussion. Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 23:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Old "Folk art" replaced.Edit

It's not really on my beat, but the old "Folk art" has been entirely replaced and redirected to Folk art objects - a jump from 7kb to 80kb. A very short & odd Folk arts has also been set up. The new article has many obvious issues, even on a cursory scan. The same editor created Mexican-American folklore in December, which also had big problems. He doesn't seem very responsive. The old page got avge. 335 views pd, so it should be decent. What we have now seems to me a rambling top-level essay on the theory of folk art, with almost no discussion of even broad categories of actual examples, nor any new images. It seems unlikely to be what the reader wants. Meanwhile, Folk arts seems to draw from one of those long UNESCO committee-written screeds that were being dumped around the place. Johnbod (talk) 02:39, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Johnbod, are you suggesting a revert to the former page or to improve the article at the link. Please do what you think works best with this. Thanks for pointing it out. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:58, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
At the moment, I think the easiest might be moving the new Folk art objects to Theory of folk art, for gradual digestion, and reinstating the old "Folk art" version - poor though it was. Then hopefully improving it. Johnbod (talk) 03:12, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
At Folk arts, in the Forms of folk arts section, I find the wording "tangible objects". It occurs to me that perhaps the title Folk art objects should be changed to Folk art (tangible objects). Bus stop (talk) 03:56, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
How does that help? In general, we keep to art=visual art, ie (normally) "tangible objects" - & treat "artist" likewise, avoiding "artist" for musicians etc. And there's really no discussion at all in the article of any actual "tangible objects", it's all theory. I think it's very generally understood that Folk art means tangible stuff. At the moment Folk art just redirects to the objects article, but I don't think that will do. Johnbod (talk) 04:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Smithriedel 04:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC) Thanks Johnbod for giving me specifics to respond to.

1) I did not create the text on the page Mexican-American folklore in December. That text landed on my page Folklore, without context, and I simply moved it to its own page. I do not know anything about that topic, so I can't fix it. Maybe you should delete it.

2) The very short Folk arts page is to separate all the different forms of Folk arts. Dancing, singing, and objects. My page only deals with the material folk arts, i.e. objects. Any title Folk art will get muddled with both intangible and tangible folk art forms. I created that page to distinguish and point to the different forms, each of which has their own page.

3) All folk art objects are tied to a specific region and culture. I have put a list somewhere to include links to pages of regional folk arts. Maybe the list needs to be made more prominent. In this page, I cannot pick any one folk art form, because they are literally all over the globe.

4) I don't do pictures, but other people love to add images. Just not my thing.

5) I would be fine with a rename of the page to Folk art (tangible objects), or Folk art theory keeping the Folk art on the front of the title. The old article is inaccurate and wrong, please don't use it again. You cannot have a single article on material Folk art. You can only have articles on different cultural folk art forms.

6) I have no problem working with you to clean this up. I have written other folklore pages, and they have all stayed quite stabile. This one uses a lot of quotes and citations, because it is quite difficult to pin down, between what is art and what is beauty, etc. I looked for consensus in the professional literature. Smithriedel 04:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I see you wrote Family folklore, mostly in 2014, & that is stable. But that gets >10 views a day, while Folk art got 300+, so you must expect a lot more scrutiny. After 5+ years, you still don't realize we don't randomly bold words and phrases in the middle of text? I could live with a move to Folk art theory. I don't agree at all that "art" is ambiguous (see just above - if anyone thinks that German art will cover music or literature, they find out differently as soon as they arrive. Johnbod (talk) 04:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

I also wrote the pages Folklore, Folklore studies, Jokes, etc. I know my stuff in folklore. In cultural heritage, the rules are a little different. I would be very happy with a title change to Folk art (tangible objects). Have to go to bed now, please don't do anything drastic until I am up again tomorrow. Smithriedel 04:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC) Smithriedel 04:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

No, I don't think Folk art (tangible objects) is good or necessary. Another thing you haven't learnt is how to indent on talk pages I see. Johnbod (talk) 04:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
For now, I have reinstated the old Folk art there, leaving Folk art objects where it is, though I still think it should be moved. Both pages have considerable issues - in particular the "objects" page is clearly largely concerned with North America, and has many statements that are not applicable to Europe, let alone the rest of the world. I will comment on this at the talk page there. Johnbod (talk) 16:45, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm copying this section to Talk:Folk art objects, and will continue the discussion there; please add there rather than here. If a move proposal comes, I will notify it here also. Johnbod (talk) 00:21, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
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