Talk:Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike

Plot section

At first glance, this looks like a GA contender. But are you planning to fix the plot section in the next few days? Otherwise, it's an auto-fail. -- Zanimum (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 21:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: TonyTheTiger(T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have my full review up shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 21:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

• a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
• b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

WP:LEAD:

Check for WP:LEAD: Check for Correct Structure of Lead Section:  Done Check for Citations (WP:LEADCITE):  Done Check for Introductory text:  Done Lead should provide an accessible overview with Relative emphasis. The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article. Significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the body. The lead should be rewritten. Check for Provide an accessible overview (MOS:INTRO):  Done Major Point 1: Production history "" (not a concise summary of the Reception section) Major Point 2: Casting "" (not a concise summary of the Reception section) Major Point 3: Plot "" (not a concise summary of the Reception section) Major Point 4: Themes "" (not a concise summary of the Reception section) Major Point 5: Critical review "" (not a concise summary of the Reception section) Major Point 6: Awards and nominations "The play won ... " (summarised well in the lead) Check for Relative emphasis:  Done Major Point 1: Production history "" (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 2: Casting "" (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 3: Plot "" (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 4: Themes "" (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 5: Critical review "" (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 6: Awards and nominations "The play won ..." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Check for Opening paragraph (MOS:BEGIN):  Done Check for First sentence (WP:LEADSENTENCE):  Done Definition and notability should be in the first sentence (WP:BETTER). As per WP:LEADSENTENCE, The article should begin with a short declarative sentence, answering two questions for the nonspecialist reader: "What (or who) is the subject?" and "Why is this subject notable?". The lead should be rewritten. Check for Format of the first sentence (MOS:BOLDTITLE):  Done Check for Proper names and titles:  Done Check for Abbreviations and synonyms (MOS:BOLDSYN): None Check for Foreign language (MOS:FORLANG): None Check for Pronunciation: None Check for Contextual links (MOS:CONTEXTLINK):  Done Check for Biographies: NA Check for Organisms: NA Check for Biographies of living persons: NA Check for Alternative names (MOS:LEADALT):  Done Check for Non-English titles: Check for Usage in first sentence: Check for Separate section usage: Check for Length (WP:LEADLENGTH):  Done The lead needs to be expanded. Check for Clutter (WP:LEADCLUTTER): None

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Done Check for WP:LAYOUT:  Done Check for Body sections: WP:BODY, MOS:BODY.  Done Check for Headings and sections:  Done Check for Section templates and summary style:  Done Check for Paragraphs (MOS:PARAGRAPHS):  Done Paragraphs should be short enough to be readable, but long enough to develop an idea. (WP:BETTER) Fix "Following its Broadway run ... at the Mark Taper Forum by Center Theatre Group.[18]" in the Production history section. Fix "As the play has moved from McCarter Theatre's ... accentuated their comedic performances.[4]" in the Production history section. Fix "On July 28, Weaver left ... by understudy Creed Garnick as Spike.[26]" in the Casting section. Fix "The cast for the Mark Taper Forum ... Nielsen and Liesel Allen Yaeger.[18]" in the Casting section. Fix "Masha has returned home to ... leaving Vanya and Sonia devastated." in the Plot section. Fix "Masha realizes that the person Spike ... listen to The Beatles as the play ends." in the Plot section. Fix "Ben Brantley of The New York Times ... "black comedy about unhappy siblings".[20]" in the Themes section. Fix "According to Charles Isherwood of ... and looking to take another, more rewarding course."[8]" in the Themes section. Similarly, fix Awards and nominations section. Check for Standard appendices and footers (MOS:APPENDIX):  Done Check for Order of sections (WP:ORDER):  Done Check for Works or publications: None Check for See also section (MOS:SEEALSO): None Check for Notes and references (WP:FNNR):  Done Check for Further reading (WP:FURTHER): None Check for External links (WP:LAYOUTEL):  Done Some external links are welcome (see What can normally be linked, below), but it is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a lengthy or comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. No page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justifiable according to this guideline and common sense. The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link. (WP:EL) official website Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike at the Internet Broadway Database Internet Off-Broadway Database Listing Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike at Theater Mania Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike at Playbill Vault Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike at Tony Awards.com Check for Links to sister projects: None Check for Navigation templates:  Done Check for Formatting:  Done Check for Images (WP:LAYIM):  Done Check for Links:  Done Check for Horizontal rule (WP:LINE):  Done

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WP:EMBED:
Done Prose is preferred over list (WP:PROSE):  Done Check for Tables (MOS:TABLES):  Done Off-Broadway production/Original Broadway production

2: Verifiable with no original research

• a. Has an appropriate reference section: Yes
• b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: good

WP:RS:

Done Check for the material (WP:RSVETTING): (not contentious)  Done Is it contentious?: No Does the ref indeed support the material?: Check for the author (WP:RSVETTING):  Done Who is the author?: Acito, Marc (Playbill) Blank, Matthew (Playbill) Gans, Andrew (Playbill) Gioia, Michael (Playbill) Haun, Harry (Playbill) Hetrick, Adam (Playbill) Jones, Kenneth (Playbill) Purcell, Carey (Playbill) Simonson, Robert (Playbill) Pogrebin, Robin (The New York Times) Healy, Patrick (The New York Times) Brantley, Ben (The New York Times) Isherwood, Charles (The New York Times) Lortel.org SFist Berkeley Repertory Theatre Internet Broadway Database Kennedy, Mark (The Washington Post) Vincentelli, Elisabeth (New York Post) Tony Awards Lipton, Brian Scott (Theatermania.com) Broadway World Does the author have a Wikipedia article?: Yes (for major sources) What are the author's academic credentials and professional experience?: What else has the author published?: Is the author, or this work, cited in other reliable sources? In academic works?: Check for the publication (WP:RSVETTING):  Done Playbill (Major publication) The New York Times Lortel.org SFist Berkeley Repertory Theatre Internet Broadway Database The Washington Post New York Post Tony Awards Theatermania.com Broadway World Check for Self-published sources (WP:SPS):  Done

WP:MINREF:

Check for inline citations WP:MINREF:  Done Check for Direct quotations:  Done "Sexy Killer" (no inline citation) Plots are generally written without WP:IC. This was added by an IP], but we have no reason to contest what seems to be a reasonable summary in general.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:50, 17 January 2014 (UTC) "The Evil Queen as portrayed by Maggie Smith on her way to the Oscars." (no inline citation) "The play sets characters and themes from Anton Chekhov in present day Bucks County, Pa.."[3] (Check on source 3, successful, "The play sets characters and themes from Chekhov in present day Bucks County, Pa. Other cast members include Genevieve Angelson, Shalita Grant, Billy Magnussen, Kristine Nielsen and David Hyde Pierce.") "thanked his mother as he recalled writing his first play in second grade in 1958."[5] (Check on source 5, unsuccessful, not in source 5) "sunny new play about gloomy people".[6] (Check on source 6, inaccessible, Http/1.1 Service Unavailable, the link that worked for me is http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/theater/reviews/vanya-and-sonia-and-masha-and-spike-at-lincoln-center.html, successful, "If you want to know what’s in a name, you could do worse than ask the title characters of “Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike,” Christopher Durang’s sunny new play about gloomy people.") "Even if you’ve never read a word of Chekhov, you’re likely to find plenty to make you laugh: Mr. Hyde Pierce’s skillfully low-key comic discomfort; Ms. Nielsen’s segues from manic eruption into glazed smiling stupor; Ms. Weaver’s game sendup of every self-loving, self-doubting movie queen there ever was."[6] (Check on source 6, inaccessible, Http/1.1 Service Unavailable, the link that worked for me is http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/theater/reviews/vanya-and-sonia-and-masha-and-spike-at-lincoln-center.html, unsuccessful, not in source 6) "blander and thinner" [6] (Check on source 6, inaccessible, Http/1.1 Service Unavailable, the link that worked for me is http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/theater/reviews/vanya-and-sonia-and-masha-and-spike-at-lincoln-center.html, usuccessful, not in source 6) "lost souls" ... [6] (Check on source 6, inaccessible, Http/1.1 Service Unavailable, the link that worked for me is http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/theater/reviews/vanya-and-sonia-and-masha-and-spike-at-lincoln-center.html, usuccessful, not in source 6) "The country-house setting is also borrowed from the work of that Russian master, as are the self-delusions and self-pity that plague the central characters, all of whom have reached the difficult age when life’s path has narrowed uncomfortably, and there is little point in turning around and looking to take another, more rewarding course."[8] (Check on source 8, successful, "The names, of course, are all swiped from notable characters in Chekhov plays. The country-house setting is also borrowed from the work of that Russian master, as are the self-delusions and self-pity that plague the central characters, all of whom have reached the difficult age when life’s path has narrowed uncomfortably, and there is little point in turning around and looking to take another, more rewarding course.") "broad comic acting is raised to the level of high art."[8] (Check on source 8, successful, " In fact when undertaken by the Durang specialist Kristine Nielsen, who brings much of the helium to the play’s series of variations on Chekhovian themes, broad comic acting is raised to the level of high art.") "In Durang Land, of course, heartache is generally fodder for belly laughs" ... [8] (Check on source 8, successful, "In Durang Land, of course, heartache is generally fodder for belly laughs. There are enough sprinkled throughout his latest play to keep the temperature in the theater from cooling for long, although this romp through an Americanized version of Russian anomie is more a series of loosely connected set pieces than a cogently put-together play. ") "My play is not a Chekhov parody...I take Chekhov scenes and characters and put them into a blender."[19] (Check on source 19, unsuccessful, not in source 19) "Cassandra, who's a cleaning woman and soothsayer, is like the Greek-tragedy Cassandra. In some ways, she's like the nanny in Vanya, but she doesn't reflect Chekhov as much."[19] (Check on source 19, unsuccessful, not in source 19) "black comedy about unhappy siblings".[20] (Check on source 20, successful, "“Vanya and Sonia,” which draws on themes from Chekhov plays like “Uncle Vanya” and “The Seagull” for a black comedy about unhappy siblings in present-day Bucks County, Pa., opened at Lincoln Center Theater in November to generally good reviews. ") "overindulgent, self-centered and unaware she’s on the decline" ... [27] (Check on source 27, inaccessible, Page Not Found, Google results do attribute this quote to Mark Kennedy of The Washington Post, fix this link or attribute this quote to some RS) "Hyde Pierce is a master of the slow burn, while Nielsen’s wild-eyed Sonia often looks as if her train of thought has a loose caboose."[28] (Check on source 28, successful, "Hyde Pierce and Nielsen make the most of their monologues — his a fierce tirade about how Vanya preferred the life of his youth; hers a heartbreaking phone call setting up a date — and their timing is flawless. Hyde Pierce is a master of the slow burn, while Nielsen’s wild-eyed Sonia often looks as if her train of thought has a loose caboose.") "has turned her life into a performance."[28] (Check on source 28, successful, "This character has turned her life into a performance, but Weaver makes it clear that Masha is, in fact, a terrible actress who can’t convincingly fake anything. ") "college professors who dabbled in community theater".[28] (Check on source 28, successful, "") "scattershot".[31] (Check on source 31, successful, "Oh, those Chekhovian names? The trio’s late parents were college professors who dabbled in community theater.") "a bit of a patchwork".[32] (Check on source 32, successful, "New York Magazine, like a few other reviewers, found the piece a bit of a patchwork: "Like its Chekhovian characters, Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike is assembled from mismatched parts and is desperate for affection, which it miraculously earns."") Check for Likely to be challenged:  Done (cited well) Check for Contentious material about living persons (WP:BLP):  Done

• c. No original research:  Done

WP:NOR:
Done Check for primary sources (WP:PRIMARY):  Done Check for synthesis (WP:SYN):  Done Check for original images (WP:OI):  Done

3: Broad in its coverage

a. Major aspects:

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b. Focused:
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4: Neutral

WP:NPOV:

Done 4. Fair representation without bias:  Done Check for POV (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for naming (WP:POVNAMING):  Done Check for structure (WP:STRUCTURE):  Done Check for Due and undue weight (WP:DUE):  Done Check for Balancing aspects (WP:BALASPS):  Done Check for Giving "equal validity" (WP:VALID):  Done Check for Balance (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for Impartial tone (WP:IMPARTIAL):  Done Check for Describing aesthetic opinions (WP:SUBJECTIVE):  Done Check for Words to watch (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for Attributing and specifying biased statements (WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV):  Done Check for Fringe theories and pseudoscience (WP:PSCI): None Check for Religion (WP:RNPOV): None

5: Stable: No edit wars, etc:

6: Images  Done (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license)

Images:

Done 6: Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:  Done Check for copyright tags (WP:TAGS):  Done Image (McCarter Theater2.JPG): This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license. This version permits free use, including commercial use. Check for copyright status:  Done Image (McCarter Theater2.JPG): Free. Check for non-free content (WP:NFC): None Check for valid fair use rationales (WP:FUR): NA 6: Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:  Done Check for image relevance (WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE):  Done Image (McCarter Theater2.JPG): Relevant. Check for Images for the lead (WP:LEADIMAGE): None Check for suitable captions (WP:CAPTION):  Done Caption: "Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike was commissioned by the McCarter Theatre." succinct and informative

As per the above checklist, the issues identified are:

• The lead should be rewritten.
• Fix short paragraphs throughout.
  • I think this is resolved.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:28, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
• Fix lengthy list of external links. Links to Internet Broadway Database and Playbill already appear in the references.
  • Although both are usesd as references, they remain general resources of value to the reader. 6 ELs is not really excessive in many cases such as this.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
• "Sexy Killer" (no inline citation)
  • The plot is not suppose to have citations.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:47, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
• "The Evil Queen as portrayed by Maggie Smith on her way to the Oscars." (no inline citation)
  • The plot is not suppose to have citations. (Note that this was contributed by these edits: [1] and [2]).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:44, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
• "thanked his mother as he recalled writing his first play in second grade in 1958."[5] (Check on source 5, unsuccessful, not in source 5)
  • See "“I can’t say I wasn’t practicing in front of the shower curtain for a couple days for this speech,”she said, going on to thank her mother for introducing her to Broadway cast recordings as a child" in second page of article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:52, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
• "Even if you’ve never read a word of Chekhov, you’re likely to find plenty to make you laugh: Mr. Hyde Pierce’s skillfully low-key comic discomfort; Ms. Nielsen’s segues from manic eruption into glazed smiling stupor; Ms. Weaver’s game sendup of every self-loving, self-doubting movie queen there ever was."[6] ... "blander and thinner" ... "lost souls" ... [6] (Check on source 6, inaccessible, Http/1.1 Service Unavailable, the link that worked for me is http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/theater/reviews/vanya-and-sonia-and-masha-and-spike-at-lincoln-center.html, unsuccessful, not in source 6)
  • Again, see page 2.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
• "My play is not a Chekhov parody...I take Chekhov scenes and characters and put them into a blender."[19] (Check on source 19, unsuccessful, not in source 19)
  • Link is working for me.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:36, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
• "Cassandra, who's a cleaning woman and soothsayer, is like the Greek-tragedy Cassandra. In some ways, she's like the nanny in Vanya, but she doesn't reflect Chekhov as much."[19] (Check on source 19, unsuccessful, not in source 19)
  • Again, see second page of source.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:43, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
• "overindulgent, self-centered and unaware she’s on the decline" ... [27] (Check on source 27, inaccessible, Page Not Found, Google results do attribute this quote to Mark Kennedy of The Washington Post, fix this link or attribute this quote to some RS)
  • Ref swapped.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

This article is a promising GA nominee. I'm happy to see your work here. I'm putting the article on hold. All the best! --Seabuckthorn ♥ 23:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I am going to need another week for this one.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I've reverted my previous edit and closure as per discussion in the GA forum. However, I'd like to resign from this review. I apologize for the inconvenience caused. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 06:00, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Now that this has been reverted I again request 7 days to attend to these issues. Then any reviewer can assess the status of the article however he or she sees fit.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:57, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I have now responded to the prior reviewer's concerns. I welcome a new reviewer and will do my best to respond to his/her concerns.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

GA review 2

This review is transcluded from Talk:Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bobamnertiopsis (talk · contribs) 12:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I'll take this one. It's been sitting in purgatory for far too long. I'll try to complete my review today. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 12:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Resolved GA comments

Comments Overall, this article is pretty close to GA-status. It's great to see articles on new theater at this level so early in their lives. Cleanup is mostly needed in the prose quality and some updating is needed, seeing as this one has been sitting around for a while. I'll add specific comments below. Feel free to contest any of these. Thanks for the detailed review. I love the feedback. I'll plod through this gradually. Not sure if I will finish it in a week or not, but as long as I am making progress, I hope you will be patient.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Yeah, for sure. No rush whatsoever as long as you're working on it. I'll ping you if there's no activity for over a week, but I otherwise see no reason to do these things hastily. Good luck! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:46, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Lead "Several of the play's characters are named for the characters in plays by Anton Chekhov, and the play's setting in a cherry orchard and the possible loss of the family home are also from Chekhov works." Would this sentence work better slightly restructured for more cohesion? "Some of the show's element's were derived from the works of Anton Chekhov, including several of the characters' names, the play's setting in a cherry orchard, and the theme of the possible loss of an ancestral home." Variations would also work. Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Can you make the line about critical review and commercial success active and more specific? "Critics praised VSMS for (X elements). The show also proved to be a commercial success, recouping its $2.75 million investment in under a year." I'd rather see more information about the crtical and commercial appraisal in the lead than a list of the various awards it won. Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC) "the play's setting in a cherry orchard and the possible loss of the family home are also from Chekhov works." After a readthrough, I don't see this information cited anywhere in the article. Production history Ref#1 uses the date format (Month Day, Year) where all the rest use (YYYY-MM-DD). It's also not in a cite template like the rest of the refs and it's missing an accessdate. Finally, some refs use "playbill.com" while others use "Playbill". I like the latter more, but they should probably be standardized. Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC) A few more refs are also missing accessdates throughout the article. Please check for these and add them. Done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC) "Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike was commissioned by the McCarter Theatre, Princeton, New Jersey in association with the Lincoln Center Theater." States, when listed as (City, State) need a comma after the state as well as the city. ..."Princeton, New Jersey, in association"... O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC) Likewise, when (Month Day, Year) dates are written in prose, they require a comma after the year. "The play ran at the McCarter Theatre[2] from September 7, 2012 to October 14, 2012." This needs a comma after the first instance of 2012. O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC) Take a read through the article to check for other instances of the above two comma-requiring situations...there are a few. Did I get them?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC) I think so! I'll check more thoroughly on my second readthrough after the rest of this huge slew of comments are addressed. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:09, 14 March 2014 (UTC) File:McCarter Theater2.JPG — GFDL/CC-BY-SA-3.0, self by uploader. Looks good. O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:01, 13 March 2014 (UTC) "The play ran at the McCarter Theatre[2] from September 7, 2012 to October 14, 2012.[3] The show was originally a one-act play.[4]" Any way you can combine these two sentences to decrease choppiness? Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:41, 13 March 2014 (UTC) "When Durang later won the Tony Award for this work, he "thanked his mother as he recalled writing his first play in second grade in 1958."[5]" This sentence feels very out of place here. Is there somewhere else it would be better placed? Your first mention of Durang in this section should be wikilinked and use his full name. Not necessarily, per WP:LASTNAME.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC) Ref#7 can (but doesn't have to) link Lortel.org to Lortel Archives. Linked.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC) Charles Isherwood can (but doesn't have to) be wikilinked in Ref#8 and other refs in which he appears as the author. I don't wikilink authors in citations.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC) "It opened on Broadway on March 14, 2013 at the John Golden Theatre,[10] after previews from March 5,[11] as scheduled.[9]" What does "as scheduled" mean here? You can also consider changing "from March 5" to "beginning March 5". Clarified.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC) "The Broadway engagement was originally announced to close on June 30, but had been extended to July 28, 2013.[12]" Awkward tenses. Try "The Broadway engagement, originally announced to close on June 30, was extended to July 28." Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:56, 13 March 2014 (UTC) "On June 10 (the day after it won the Tony Award) it was announced that the play had extended again, to August 25." had→had been Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:58, 13 March 2014 (UTC) "Julie White took the role of Masha as of July 30; Sigourney Weaver left the cast on July 28.[13]" Up to this point, I had no idea Weaver was in the cast. You mention before that "the show would transfer to Broadway for 17 weeks with its original cast" but it would be great if you could specify who was in that cast, if it's known. Also, wikilink Weaver's name at its first appearance. I added the notable members of the original cast to the lead, Is this O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "the house got bigger and bigger." Is there a more elegant way to phrase this? Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC) Optional: "The actors had to make adjustments to compensate for the changes." Any idea what these adjustments were? An actor might understand what the source means, but I do not.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "Nielsen and Pierce both said that the proscenium accentuated their comedic performances.[4]" Who are Nielsen and Pierce? I have now listed the original cast above.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "Following its Broadway run the show is scheduled to tour." is→was Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "It ran at the Berkeley Repertory Theatre in September and October 2013" Mention which state this Theatre is located in. Done (city, state mentioned).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:35, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "Tony-nominated Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike actor David Hyde Pierce will direct the January 29 — March 9, 2014 production at the Mark Taper Forum by Center Theatre Group.[18]" Obviously, this hadn't occurred when you wrote the article, but since it has now, check the tenses. Also on the above sentence, I'd be interested to know which character DHP played in VSMS. Try "David Hyde Pierce, nominated for the Tony Award for Best Actor (or whatever) for his role as X in the (whichever) production of VSMS, directed a production of the show at the Mark Taper Forum by Center Theatre Group in (city, state) that ran January 29 — March 9, 2014." Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "Although the characters in the play share names with Chekhov characters due to their naming by university professors," → "Although the characters in the play, named by university professors, share names with Chekhov characters," O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "but are derived from their namesakes as well as other characters." as well as→and Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:44, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "than any Chekhov's characters named Masha.[19]" any→any of Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "Rather than mimic Three Sisters" Comma after Sisters. Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "his play has a sister, brother and stepsister, with the latter two being the most Chekhovian of the titular characters." Two questions: What does it mean to be "Chekhovian"? And who claims that these the sister and brother are inherently more Chekhovian? Do I need to put the WP:IC after every sentence in this paragraph. This content seems to be adequately referenced by the IC in the following sentence.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:54, 14 March 2014 (UTC) This is all pretty much Durangs comments in from the IC presented.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:59, 14 March 2014 (UTC) My tendency is to error on caution's side and overuse ICs, and this particular sentence is one case where I think it makes sense to use the same IC twice in two consecutive sentences just because its an interpretive assertion that's being cited, even if it's one coming from the author. In most other cases, however, I've got no problem with citing a couple sentences with just one IC. Does that work for you? BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:09, 14 March 2014 (UTC) "However, who Nina seems to be very much derived from the character of the same name from The Seagull was the most like a Chekhov character according to Durang.[19]" Sorry, I'm having a lot of trouble understanding this sentence. Could you clarify? Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:11, 15 March 2014 (UTC) "After five marriages to her contemporaries, Masha has taken up with Spike in a May–December relationship.[19]" Does this line belong in a section about production history? I have reorganized the article and put this in a Characters section.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC) "Durang says that "Cassandra, who's a cleaning woman and soothsayer, is like the Greek-tragedy Cassandra. In some ways, she's like the nanny in Vanya, but she doesn't reflect Chekhov as much."[19]" This one is tricky. Durang references two different elements with which the audience might not be familiar: Cassandra and Uncle Vanya (at least, I assume that's what "Vanya" refers to in this sentence). I'd suggest wikilinking them, but WP:LINKSTYLE warns against wikilinks inside quotations. It instead suggests adding a note template, {{Efn}}, and a {{Notelist}} at the bottom. I suggest considering this to explain the references. You might also try to work in an explanation to Cassandra in the text of the article somewhere and use notes solely to explain the line about Vanya (especially when it could be possible to mistake it for this play's titular character). If the reader needs further explanation, I am a believer in linking things. I don't understand the reasoning behind this rule. I just linked inside the quotes. If you really care or someone else does, I will try to learn this fancy template.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:34, 15 March 2014 (UTC) Casting The producer list is four lines long on my screen. How important is it to have each of these names listed? I am not yet in the industry. So, I couldn't say. Advice welcome.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC) I'm unclear on the significance of various names being separated with amersands and slashes: " Joan Raffe/Jhett Tolentino" and "Martin Platt & David Elliott". If this list is kept, can the names all be equalized in such a way that there are either no slashes/ampersands or that their importance is explained? This was copied from IBDB.com. I am not sure of the meaning of the list as it was presented there. I am not sure if changing the punctuation would lead to misleading information.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC) Internet Broadway Database can be linked in ref#21. Also, this needs an accessdate. Linked and dated.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:09, 16 March 2014 (UTC) "Magnussen, who earned his first Tony nomination with this role, had previously made his Broadway debut in The Ritz in which he played a character that also spent a lot of stage time being exposed.[22]" A few things: this sentence reads strangely after a long list of producers. "had previously made"→"previously made". "character that"→"character who". "stage time being exposed"→"stage time exposed". Maybe link "exposed". Thanks. Fixed grammar. Why don't we see if pinging Ssilvers can help us figure out this producer issue.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:21, 16 March 2014 (UTC) Discussion of the actors' Tony histories might better be suited for the Awards and nominations section. Moved.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC) "On July 28, Weaver left the cast and was replaced on July 30 by Julie White as Masha.[24][25]" This has already been mentioned. fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:50, 17 March 2014 (UTC) "The cast for the Mark Taper Forum production will be Mark Blum, Christine Ebersole, Grant, David Hull, Nielsen and Liesel Allen Yaeger.[18]" This would be past tense now, right? Updated.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC) Right now, it seems like the article would benefit from some reordering among the first three sections. I think this might work better is Plot came first, followed by Casting and then Production History. Also, is the Casting section so much about Casting as much as it is about Cast? Just a thought. In any case, you might try switching the order around on these sections. Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:16, 17 March 2014 (UTC) Plot "Middle-aged siblings Vanya and Sonia, named after characters in Chekhov's plays (their parents were both professors and both active in community theatre), live in the family home in Bucks County, Pennsylvania." There's a lot of information in this sentence and it meanders. How would something like this work? "Middle-aged siblings Vanya and Sonia, named after characters in Chekhov's plays by their parents (both of whom were professors active in community theatre), live in the family home in Bucks County, Pennsylvania." Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC) Just a gander but are the characters given last names? Every source I have seen only refers to first names.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "They live in the house they were raised in, after spending their adulthood looking after their now-dead parents. Neither has a job, and money is provided by their sister Masha, who is a movie star, who owns the house and pays the bills." You already mentioned that they live in the family home, so I suggest combining these sentences into something like "After spending their adulthood looking after their now-dead parents, neither has a job, and money is provided by their movie star sister Masha who owns the house and pays the bills. O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "spend their days doing nothing, reflecting on their lost chances and bemoaning their rather Chekovian lot in life." You don't need "nothing" in here. It's enough to say that they spend their days bemoaning... Also, again, Chekovian is undefined. A note might help here. Eliminated nothing, but kept reflecting.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC) If the term "Chekhovian" remains in this article, standardize the spelling to either "Chekovian" or "Chekhovian". I just noticed that it was misspelled when correcting the last point.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC) The fact that Cassandra is mentioned in this section again makes me think that Plot should be the first section in the article. Already done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:51, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "bringing with her a flurry of drama, an endless litany of insecurity, and a much-younger, gorgeous, dimwitted lover named Spike" Maaaybe trim some of the descriptors. Do you perceive any of them to be redundant.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "much-younger" No hyphen. Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "Sonia's resentments" Of what or whom? Above we have described their lost chances and Chekhovian lot. That I presume.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 18 March 2014 (UTC) Italicize Sexy Killer, Entourage, and Entourage 2. Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:00, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "Masha has returned home to attend a costume party at an influential neighbor's" Influential neighbor's house? An indirect object would be good to have. Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "(she herself is Snow White, of course).[27]" This probably does not need to be included and if you feel it does, the "of course" definitely does not. Also, the "herself" can be removed regardless. Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "Sonya rebells"→Sonia rebels Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:45, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "dresses up as "The Evil Queen as portrayed by Maggie Smith on her way to the Oscars."" Is this important to the plot? If so, it needs a citation as a quote. Evil Queen should be unlinked. "As Cassandra does Voodoo on Masha" Can it be clarified exactly what she's doing? Voodoo is awfully vague. "Hesitantly, she steps out of her shell and accepts." Remove "steps out of her shell". O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "about the devolution of culture since the 1950s, Global warming, Senor Wences and pretty much everything else." The current structure suggests that he's talking about the devolution of culture since global warming and Senor Wences as well as the 1950s. Try this phrasing: "about global warming, Señor Wences, and the devolution of culture since the 1950s, among other topics." Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:57, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "her personal assistant, who he has been having an affair with"→"her personal assistant, with whom he has been having an affair" Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:01, 18 March 2014 (UTC) In general, the Plot section can be trimmed. Instead of, "Masha's fifth marriage has recently ended and her career, which has mostly been as a star of films with names like "Sexy Killer", is starting to stall", it would suffice to say, "Masha's fifth marriage has recently ended and her career is starting to stall." Specific instance fixed. Do we need more detail on the Voodoo then?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC) Themes "According to Robin Pogrebin of The New York Times, "The play sets characters and themes from Anton Chekhov in present day Bucks County, Pa.."[3]" This is nothing we don't already know. Do you consider this a redundancy to be eliminated. I consider it an introductory sentence for that paragraph, despite any repeated content.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "The characters Vanya, Sonia and Masha are middle-aged siblings named after Chekhov characters.[6] Their deceased parents were "college professors who dabbled in community theater".[28]" We've already heard this before. Do you want this removed. Basically the theme section describes Chekhovian elements.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:57, 18 March 2014 (UTC) "According to Charles Isherwood of The New York Times, not only are the character names borrowed from Chekhov, but also "The country-house setting is also borrowed from the work of that Russian master, as are the self-delusions and self-pity that plague the central characters, all of whom have reached the difficult age when life’s path has narrowed uncomfortably, and there is little point in turning around and looking to take another, more rewarding course."[8]" This is good insight. It is odd that you describe this Chekhovian element as inciteful and the others as redundant.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC) Pogrebin and Brantley can be wikilinked in references in which they are the authors. My stylistic preference is to wikilink the authors in the prose and not the references.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC) Critical review Careful with tenses in this section. "Knowledge of Chekhov will increase the enjoyment of this work's in-jokes, but not as much as an understanding of Durang's absurdism, according to Theatermania.com's Brian Scott Lipton.[31]" is a fine in present tense because the play may still be enjoyed, but the next sentence, about the performances of certain cast members, should be written in past tense: "Brantley noted that even people who are unfamiliar with Chekhov would appreciate some of the humor, especially from Hyde Pierce, Nielsen and Weaver:" Brantley noting this already happened and so should be conveyed in the past. Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC) "Brantley notes that even people who are unfamiliar with Chekhov will appreciate some of the humor, especially from Hyde Pierce, Nielsen and Weaver: "Even if you’ve never read a word of Chekhov, you’re likely to find plenty to make you laugh: Mr. Hyde Pierce’s skillfully low-key comic discomfort; Ms. Nielsen’s segues from manic eruption into glazed smiling stupor; Ms. Weaver’s game sendup of every self-loving, self-doubting movie queen there ever was."[6]" The prose portion of this section essentially says exactly what the quote does. Could you do with one or the other? O.K. I like his words better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC) "calling it "blander and thinner"," comma should be a period. Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:34, 20 March 2014 (UTC) Would it make more sense to cut this quote down? "He also noted that typically, "In Durang Land, of course, heartache is generally fodder for belly laughs" and that this work had plenty." How about "He also noted that in Durang's plays, "heartache is generally fodder for belly laughs" and that Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike had plenty."? O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:11, 20 March 2014 (UTC) "According the New York Post critic, Elisabeth Vincentelli, the show improved with its transfer from Off-Broadway to Broadway, especially, Weaver's role, which was the weakest.[28]" Three things: 1) remove the comma after especially. 2) What is meant by "Weaver's role"? Did Weaver's acting improve? Was Masha rewritten by Durang? Some combination of the two? Something else? 3) "especially Weaver's role, which was the weakest." should again be clear that this was Vinventelli's opinion. "especially Weaver's role, which Vincentelli deemed the weakest." Fixed 1 & 3. The source says the following two things: "the one weak performance — that of Sigourney Weaver — has grown more nuanced and funnier" and "the award for most improved goes to Weaver". What do you make of this?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC) "Weaver's character is an "overindulgent, self-centered and unaware she’s on the decline" movie star, that Mark Kennedy of The Washington Post thinks her class of 1974 Yale School of Drama classmate Durang may have written for her.[27]" Three things: 1) Is Kennedy suggesting a causal relationship, that Durang wrote the part for her because they were classmates in 1974? 2) I'd move that she's a movie star before the quote. 3) that→who. Does this work instead? → "Weaver portrayed a movie star who was "overindulgent, self-centered and unaware she’s on the decline", a role that Mark Kennedy of The Washington Post suggested Durang, with whom Weaver graduated from the Yale School of Drama in 1974, may have written for her." O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC) "Vincentelli also notes that Sigourney Weaver "has turned her life into a performance."[28]" No need for "Signourney". Also, what does the fact that she has "turned her life into a performance" mean in this context? It sounds like it relates to her life and not necessarily the show. Fixed (I think).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC) Awards and nominations "six Tony Awards nominations"→"six Tony Award nominations" Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC) "The play won the 58th Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Play.[34] The 2013 New York Drama Critics' Circle Awards recognized the play as Best Play.[35]" Can these be combined? Sure.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC) "Shalita Grant received a Theatre World Award for Best Debut Performance, to be presented on June 3.[36]" This should be updated. Removed the last bit.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:59, 20 March 2014 (UTC) I don't know that the prose of this section has to mention every award for which the play was nominated...you might trim out one or two of the less important awards. "won the awards for Outstanding New Broadway Play and Outstanding Featured Actress in a Play .[40]" Remove the space between "Play" and the period thereafter. O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC) "The production won the 2013 Off-Broadway Alliance Award for Best New Play.[41] The show received an Artios Award nomination from The Casting Society of America for Outstanding Achievement in Casting, New York Broadway Theatre – Comedy.[42]" Can these two sentences be combined? Can the "Pending" Artios Award at the bottom of the table be updated? Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC) Refs 40 and 41 use the (Month Day, Year) format instead of your preferred (YYYY-MM-DD). O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:42, 20 March 2014 (UTC) I'd unlink the actors' names that have already been linked prior in the article from the prose portion of this section. I'm fine with linking them in the table, but ensure that each is only linked once. Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC) Notes Looks good. External links "Internet Off-Broadway Database Listing" can probably be reformatted for consistency to Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike at the Internet Off-Broadway Database Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:28, 20 March 2014 (UTC) More later! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 13:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Alright, I've finished a first review. There are a lot of small things to fiddle with but the article is fundamentally pretty sound. I'll put it  On hold for a week for now, though if you need more time, I'm happy to extend that. Once you've dealt with these issues, I'll give it another readthrough and we'll work from there. Good work on this so far! Sorry it was waiting in the queue for so long... Best, BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 20:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Second readthrough Great job resolving most of my comments! I'm taking a second readthrough now and will try to respond to any questions you had above. I've made a few small copyedits (Plot, Critical review Awards). Throughout, standardize the use of Off-Broadway in instances when it's not part of an award or organization title: does it include a hyphen or not? Fully hyphenated throughout.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:19, 21 March 2014 (UTC) Can I ask about the single citation in the Plot section which supports the fact that Masha has everyone dress up for the costume party? If there should be a citation anywhere in this section, it should be after the following sentence's quotation: "Sonia rebels, and dresses up as "The Evil Queen as portrayed by Maggie Smith on her way to the Oscars."" This assertion should either be followed with a citation or the quote can be removed and paraphrased. If it helps, as far as I can tell, the text of the play itself is: "MASHA...You said you were going as the Evil Queen but no one got 'Mirror Mirror' from you, they got Dame Maggie Smith winning a fucking Oscar." (p. 54) That one was hard to ref because we are being mirrored in so many places. We added the content on 16:14, 28 October 2013.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC) In re: voodoo, from what I can tell, Cassandra is using a voodoo doll on Masha. I'd mention this and link voodoo doll. Also, lowercase the v in voodoo. I am not sure if you are asking me to expand the text or not, but I have linked the term voodoo.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:11, 22 March 2014 (UTC) The article's order works much better this way; thank you for changing around the first three sections. No problem.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:13, 22 March 2014 (UTC) I'm still unsure about the inclusion of this line in the Characters section: "After five marriages to her contemporaries, Masha has taken up with Spike in a May–December relationship." This information is basically already included in the Plot section, is it not? I don't think saying he has a fit body and saying he is much younger are the same thing.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:17, 22 March 2014 (UTC) I tried building a collapsed table to include all the producers with this edit, then reverted it. Thoughts on presenting the information that way? It makes sense and looks good.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC) "The play, which was originally a one-act play," Would it be alright just to say "The play, which was originally a one-act,"? I don't thinks so.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC) "As the play moved from McCarter Theatre's proscenium stage to Newhouse Theater's thrust stage to the Golden Theatre's proscenium stage, the house got expanded each time." How about: "The house expanded with each of the play's moves, first from McCarter Theatre's proscenium stage to Newhouse Theater's thrust stage, then to the Golden Theatre's proscenium stage." O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:44, 22 March 2014 (UTC) "David Hyde Pierce, nominated for the Tony Award for Best Actor in a Play for his role as Vanya in the original Off Broadway and original Broadway production of Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike, directed the January 29 — March 9, 2014, production at the Mark Taper Forum by Center Theatre Group.[9]" Sorry to change around my advice on this line, but since the article was reordered the reader now already knows who Hyde Pierce is and what his relationship to the show was. I'd suggest: "Hyde Pierce reunited with the show to direct the January 29 — March 9, 2014, production at Los Angeles's Mark Taper Forum by Center Theatre Group.[9]" Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC) ""The play sets characters and themes from Anton Chekhov in present day Bucks County, Pa.."[13]" I'd remove both links from this quote since you've already linked both items above and neither are especially crucial, as Cassandra and Vanya were above. Delinked.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:51, 22 March 2014 (UTC) Upon a reread, I'm happy with the Themes section. Good.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:52, 22 March 2014 (UTC) I made a few tense changes to the Critical review section. I also changed "Weaver's role" to "Weaver's performance", which I think the source suggested. Please feel free to contest this. Fine.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:52, 22 March 2014 (UTC) I made a few very minor edits to the Awards section as well. Fine.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:52, 22 March 2014 (UTC) In the lead, you mention that the play is set in a cherry orchard, but I don't see this information anywhere else in the article. This was an interesting addition. Thanks for pointing this out.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:07, 22 March 2014 (UTC) Overall, this article is very close to GA-status! Keep up the great work! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 15:54, 21 March 2014 (UTC) Final check These are the last few things, I promise. These are all in the lead which I purposefully neglected while the article's body was undergoing work. The big one is that there isn't really anything in the lead about the show's plot. Could you add one to two sentences giving a quick overview of the show's basic premise, probably after the sentence "Subsequently it was produced in California."? I am not sure if I have gotten this right, but I have taken a stab at it.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC) "The original Off-Broadway and original Broadway casts" Can we do without the second original? Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC) "included David Hyde Pierce, Sigourney Weaver, Billy Magnussen, and Kristine Nielsen." How about "included David Hyde Pierce, Kristine Nielsen, Sigourney Weaver, and Billy Magnussen in the respective titular roles."? O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC) If ever there was a theater article that would benefit from the inclusion of its original promotional material in the infobox, this might be the one. Consider uploading a downscaled copy of the show's promo/poster image (here) which not only acts as a generic article illustrator but also shows off all four original principal actors in costume. How cool is that? This is of course optional, but it would be a great addition in my opinion. I used a slightly different version.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:58, 23 March 2014 (UTC) And it looks like your FUR for it is good. You might consider adding a caption mentioning that it depicts the four original principal actors. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC) Thanks for all your work on this! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 16:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

You've done an artful job of brining this article up to GA-status and indulging my suggestions! I'm happy to ✓ Pass. Congrats and keep up the good work! Best, BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 23:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

The first sentence in the PLOT section is convoluted as it sits (12/20/14)

"Middle-aged siblings Vanya and Sonia, named after characters in Chekhov's plays by their parents (both of whom were professors active in community theatre), live in the family home in Bucks County, Pennsylvania."

Post-Broadway productions

As time has gone on, this article has been steadily gaining mentions of further productions at regional theaters and smaller theaters across the US. I don't know if there's a guideline about which of these to include and which not to, and I know a number of other theater articles also suffer from an overabundance of performance mentions, plus presumably this show will continue to be produced elsewhere nationally...does anyone have thoughts regarding the inclusion of these post-Broadway productions? BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 15:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if that list is meant to be all inclusive or not, but there is no mention of one of the earliest productions outside of NYC and LA, at the Goodman Theatre in Chicago: https://www.goodmantheatre.org/press-room/2014-2015-season/vanya-sonia-masha--spike/ 2603:8001:2A00:7428:295A:DDE5:6BF6:166D (talk) 02:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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