Talk:The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest

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Ernie (The Fastest Milkman in the West)

There is lots in this song that is reminiscent of Ernie (The Fastest Milkman in the West) by Bennie Hill. Starple (talk) 22:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

If you had been commenting on the way that Benny Hill's song is in some way similar to "Big Bad John", I could understand the comparison.

However, the chief connection between Ernie and the subject of this article is that they both contain words.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 01:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that heavy metal band Judas Priest took their name from Bob Dylan's song "The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest"? Source: Grow, Kory. "Judas Priest on Their Half-Century Heavy-Metal Odyssey". Rolling Stone, March 9, 2018.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Venus in fiction
  • Comment: Suggestions for alt hooks welcome.

5x expanded by BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Self-nominated at 18:53, 11 September 2022 (UTC).

• "Lee asks Priest for a loan of money. Lee offers the money freely. Priest spends it in a brothel over 16 days, then dies of thirst in Priest's arms." This makes no sense and needs to be reworded--I can't even find a way to switch only one name and make it make sense. Jclemens (talk) 05:34, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
  • D'oh. Now fixed. (Lee asks Priest for a loan of money. Priest offers the money freely. Lee spends it in a brothel over 16 days, then dies of thirst in Priest's arms.) Thanks, Jclemens. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:23, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
• New enough and large enough expansion (was 5x from last revision prior to edit; looks like some old removal of POV edits might account for this). QPQ present. Hook source article is a non-politics Rolling Stone piece and checks out to support the hook. No sourcing or textual issues; Earwig gets hung up mostly on song titles and small quotes. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:19, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ippantekina (talk · contribs) 07:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Lead and infobox

• "The song's lyrics refer to two friends, Frankie Lee and Judas Priest. Lee asks Priest for a loan of money. Priest offers the money freely. Lee spends it in a brothel over 16 days, then dies of thirst in Priest's arms" This reads rather staccato. Any ways to improve the flow?

• I amended it, which is hopefully a bit of an improvement. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• "He has performed the song live in concert 20 times, from 1987 to 2000." → "Dylan has performed..."

• Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Background and recording

• "spent the next year-and-a-half recovering at his home in Woodstock and writing songs" → "spent the next year-and-a-half recovering and writing songs at his home in Woodstock"
• "From around June 1967, to October of that year" → "From around June to October 1967"
• "; some of the recordings were issued on The Basement Tapes in 1975" → I suggest removing this as it has no direct relation to this song or the album John Wesley Harding
• "In 1968 it was issued as the lead track of an EP single in Portugal,[16] and it was included on the compilation box set The Original Mono Recordings (2010)" → "It was issued as ... in Portugal in 1986, and included on ... in 2010."

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Lyrical interpretation

• "Lee asks Priest for a loan of money. Priest offers the money freely. Lee spends it in a brothel over 16 days, then dies of thirst in Priest's arms" ditto
• "Scholar of English Homer Hogan" → English-language scholar Homer Hogan
• "and Priest represent the music business" → may present
• Inconsistency of present ("Critic Andy Gill regards", "Hogan argues that") and past ("AJ Weberman interpreted the song" etc) tenses throughout

• Addressed. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Reception and influence

• I tweaked the heading myself; feel free to revert (as long as you leave out the comma as in the previous version)
• Avoid one-sentence paragraphs

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Live performances

• "live 30 times" lead says 20?

• Fixed. (It's 20). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Verdict

•  On hold for seven days. Ippantekina (talk) 16:56, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Many thanks, Ippantekina. I've addressed all of your comments, but let me know if more is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you for your work on the article. It looks fine to go now, great job as always! Ippantekina (talk) 14:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)