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Pronunciation

Can anyone comment on the pronounciation of Weibo? Something like "Way bow"? --201.215.206.8 (talk) 07:58, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Roughly. The first sylable is first tone (high level) and the second is second tone (rising) --82.1.148.7 (talk) 19:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Google Translate, click "Listen" --Tomchen1989 (talk) 09:52, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

potential WSJ resources

• Beijing Tightens Cyber Controls DECEMBER 17, 2011 by LORETTA CHAO in Beijing and BRIAN SPEGELE in Lufeng, China
• http://blogs.wsj.com/overheard/2011/12/16/beijing-to-bloggers-we-know-where-you-live/ DECEMBER 16, 2011, excerpt ...

  The Beijing city government has announced that real-name registration will be required for city residents who want to participate in China’s hyper-active blogosphere. With their real names and addresses registered, participants will feel an added pressure to self-censor contentious opinions—taking a lot of the life out of online discussions. One of the biggest potential losers is Sina, whose phenomenally popular Weibo microblog has become a gathering point for lively discussion and, on occasion, criticism of government policies.

• Sina Weibo Releases U.S. User Numbers NOVEMBER 16, 2011, 8:27 PM HKT
• Beijing Environment Official: City Air Faces ‘Crisis’ December 12, 2011, 8:18 PM HKT
• Top Chinese Propaganda Official Puts Pressure on Microblogs October 15, 2011, 12:43 AM HKT

99.181.137.218 (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Modification

There's a famous feature in Sina Weibo that is missing here. Sina Weibo has indentification policy. It's like Twitter's verified account which could verify the identity of famous person, organization and so on. So we need to add a new section below the Fearutre part.Yaxian (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I totally agree with that. Actually, once a user get through the verification on the internet, their username will be added a colorful “V” behind. And orange is for people while blue is for organizations and companies. Also there will be a graph and declaration on its user page to show the verification.Richard lc (talk) 01:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I see, if this feature is added to this article this explanation is necessary. And the there are several kinds of verification. As what I know, personal verification, college verification and organization verification. Do you know any other verification?Yaxian (talk) 01:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Of course, there are some other verification. Such as the verification for official accounts of government departments, some social media platforms and famous companies. Sina weibo is such a good social network sites for propaganda. And here is the link of verification page. verification pageRichard lc (talk) 01:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, this link helps me understand the interface of verification, especially I have never used this function before. And I found there is another kind of verification which is very common. People whose are tied the account with their phone number and their followers, number of microblogs reach the threshold, they can apply the verification of "weibo master". I think this is a strategy to promote users to use it. The detail could be looked up hereYaxian (talk) 01:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

• Second, as far as I’m concerned, the updating of this article is limited and there are missing contents in history since 2009. We need to supplement the content of History section. There are lots of huge events or differences after 2009 for Sina Weibo. Such like on March 2, 2011, CEO of Sina Guowei Cao announced that the registering number of Sina Weibo’s users had passed over 100,000,000 and since then there would be at least 1,200 employees working in this department with more money invested in.Richard lc (talk) 01:38, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, you remind me of this part. The history of this part is very limited. Many important changes are not displayed here.

• At June 2011, Sina Weibo announced that they are developing the overseas market. And this is how North America subsite[[1]] exits.
• At March 16th 2012,[ICP license]is applied.
• At August 29th 2012, the logo changed.Here is the comparison

File:Logo change.jpg

comparison of logo

Yaxian (talk) 02:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that logo and I was really excited when I found it had changed. And there was also a big news on July 23, 2013, when Sina Weibo asserted that they will be connected to Facebook. That means people out of China could finally use it, especially for the students who study abroad. I think Sina Weibo was the first large social network site in China connected to Facebook.Richard lc (talk) 03:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

• I found another missing content. Since weibo is a social network site, it should have some rank and recommendation of users. For example who is the most famous people and who would I recommend you when you want to add a singer.Yaxian (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually yes, there are different rankings in Weibo in catalog of famous people, media, schools or websites. When you want to add a new friend on internet, there will be recommendations from these rankings for you to choose. So you can select the most famous users in Weibo to know their recent news or some other information. Here is a picture of the ranking page.

File:Rankings Page.jpg

Ranking Page

Richard lc (talk) 03:29, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

A Few Updates on Sina Weibo's data and Service description

Dear Editors,

According to Weibo's newly filed Form F-1(registration statement) to SEC, I would suggest a few updates on data and contents in this page to better reflect the reality of Weibo Corp.

1. "It was launched by SINA Corporation on 14 August 2009." We suggest changing the date to month, such as April 2009. The reference is Weibo Corporation's filing(Form F-1) to SEC, (page 7), which only disclosed month and year.

2. Update data for Users: Suggest remove “and has 503 million registered users as of December 2012.[4] ”, and replace it with the following paragraph, including data for 2013 from F-1(P1) and add a mobile user coverage for Sina Weibo(P2), which is importact to reflect weibo's user coverage, see the following:

Weibo had 129.1 million monthly active users, and 61.4 million average daily active users in December 2013. About 100 million messages are posted each day on Sina Weibo.[5] Over 70% of our MAUs in December 2013 accessed Weibo from mobile devices at least once during the month.

Sandyz0616 (talk) 03:56, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion on updates on Weibo's data and business descriptions

Dear Editors,

I noticed in User session, there's a paragraph "According to iResearch's report on 30 March 2011" which is not updated and still reflects Weibo's data for 2011. To further enrich the contents for weibo users' broad range, I extract a few parts from Weibo corporation's F-1(P1&4) to depict Weibo's user base and update data to December 2013. We suggest using the following paragraph to replace iResearch's 2011 data paragraph. See below:

A microcosm of Chinese society, Weibo has attracted a wide range of users, including ordinary people, celebrities and other public figures, as well as organizations such as media outlets, businesses, government agencies and charities. Celebrities, opinion leaders and other public figures use Weibo to engage directly with their fans, to make public announcements and publicize social causes they care about. Weibo has over 700,000 verified individual accounts on our platform, including those of actors and actresses, singers, business leaders, athletes and media personalities. Large companies and SMEs use Weibo to create brand awareness, engage with potential and existing customers, launch new products and services, make public announcements and manage customer relationships. More than 400,000 businesses have opened Weibo enterprise accounts, which enable them to create Weibo Pages as landing pages on our platform free of charge. Government agencies use Weibo as an official channel for disseminating timely information and gauging public opinion to improve public services. More than 80,000 government agencies and officials at the local and national levels across China have established Weibo accounts and the total number of their followers exceeded 250 million as of December 2013.

Sandyz0616 (talk) 04:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion on Updates on "Other Services"

Dear Editor,

I noticed there is a paragraph describing Weibo's "Other services". In this part, services, like Weilingdi (微领地), Tuding (图钉) and Sina Lady Weibo (新浪女性微博) are no longer active or popular in Weibo's current services. Instead, according to Weibo Corporation's F-1, page 129, there are descriptions on Weibo's current popular services. I suggest update on the introduction of other services, please see the suggested revised paragraph:

Weibo has developed mobile apps to further enrich the service offerings. For instance, Weibo has recently released Weibo Headlines, which aggregates news and information from Weibo and delivers them in an information feed format based on the level of popularity on Weibo as well as a user’s social interest graph. Other apps include Weibo Weather, a leading weather app in China that features photos from cities where the users choose to keep track of weather as well as other interesting information from Weibo.

Sandyz0616 (talk) 04:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion on Weibo logo's Update

Dear Wikipedia Editor,

The logo of Sina Weibo is not the most updated official logo for Weibo Corporation. Weibo Corp released its new logo recently. The Chinese logo only includes Chinese word "微博"，rather than the one currently on Wiki's Sina Weibo page “新浪微博”. Please make sure that the logo is the most updated one.Please see the logo on weibo's offcial website for China. http://weibo.com/ Sandyz0616 (talk) 09:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

• Umm, agree this should be updated. This affects the RM below too In ictu oculi (talk) 23:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

On 28 March, "Sina Weibo" dropped "Sina", changing its name to just "Weibo", in preparation for entrance into the American stock market.

I find that, on 25 March, Sandyz0616 (talk · contribs) started to make some edits, including those might have a tendency of having "Sina Weibo" renamed to "Weibo" and having other "XX Weibo" renamed to "XX microblog". Seemingly such edits have almost never happened before. By performing a Google search, I found no indication of Sina Weibo's renaming prior to 28 March. It is a little suspicious because Sandyz0616 might know Sina Weibo's future official renaming before anyone knew it. It may be reasonable to doubt his background subject to WP:Conflict of interest.

However, Sandyz0616's behaviors should not be linked to User:Timmyshin and his renaming request below. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 20:56, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Despite of the possible conflict of interest, some of User:Sandyz0616's suggestions, like updating the data or something, may still be good. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 21:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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• Sina Weibo → Weibo
• Weibo → Weibo (disambiguation)

– Sina Weibo is clearly the primary topic in terms of usage. Also, as its domain name is weibo.com, almost everyone refers to it as simply "Weibo". Compare traffic stats of Sina Weibo with Microblogging in China Tencent Weibo Weibo (town), also see A Google News Search. Timmyshin (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• Difficult, probably not - This is awkward, since this is the most famous weibo, and occupies the url, but the other weibo (= microblog) mainly still exist. It seems more appropriate to continue with natural disambiguation - as zh.wp has Sina Weibo - but somehow raise this weibo to first on the dab list. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:53, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose NY Times (2011) uses "weibo" as a generic term first, calling Sina Weibo by its full name. I support moving Sina further up the list on the disambig page, but Timmyshin's arguments are not convincing. Neither what's currently in our Google bubbles, nor out-of-context traffic stats (what were the readers searching for?) should dictate naming policy. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 20:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Comment by User:Tomchen1989

Oppose:

Weibo = microblog(ging) and was not created by Sina

The term "Weibo" (微博) was not coined by Sina, it is a transliteration for "microblog(ging)" and was used before Sina Weibo's establishment. The "microblogging" article ("微博" (Weibo)) in Chinese Wikipedia was created in September 2007, long before August 2009, Sina Weibo's creation. However the article was initially under the name ("微博客" (Weiboke)), later renamed to "微博" (Weibo).

Other Weibos and their media giant owners

There are curently many Weibo services which explicitly use "XX Weibo" as their name, see Microblogging in China#List. Similar to Sina Weibo, they are all operated by Chinese Internet or paper media giants, like Tencent Holdings, Sohu, NetEase, People's Daily, etc. Although these Weibos are less popular, they are still notable.

These Chinese Internet media giants all have a distinct navigation link named "Weibo" (微博), without their prefix, on their highly visited front page, pointing to their own Weibo services. (actually I think there will probably be a lawsuit between Sina Weibo and other Weibos about the trademark soon, either Sina or other Weibos will win, I don't know.)

Usage of the term

When Chinese people use "Weibo" (微博) in Chinese, it unclearly refers to any Weibo services, although there's a good chance it refers to Sina Weibo due to its popularity. I think in English it is more or less the same situation, there's still a chance that "Weibo" refers to Tencent Weibo or others. The meaning of "Weibo" in media news articles highly depends on the context.

POV and commercial competition

Another crucial point is, we should probably be more careful and "conservative" when we deal with these commercial things where a commercial competition is involved. The renaming, if done, might cause serious POV and BIAS problem.

Confusion

Also, it would confuse a lot of readers if the renaming is done, since "Weibo" would mean both Sina Weibo and all Chinese Weibo services.

Sina Weibo's official renaming

On 28 March, "Sina Weibo" dropped "Sina", changing its name to just "Weibo", in preparation for entrance into the American stock market. But their renaming doesn't mean Wikipedia should follow suit. Nor does their domain name Weibo.com.

Trademark and legal issue

It was reported by Chinese media that Sina Weibo has successfully registered "Weibo" trademark in some categories, but failed in some other categories in China. It is still unclear if they have successfully registered "Weibo" in proper categories in China and in US, to make their official renaming legally undisputed.

Some Chinese laywers and intellectual property right consultants suggested that "微博" (Weibo) is a generic name or generic trademark, thus cannot be registered. (1, 2, 3, all in Chinese)

This part may need some lookup, and also professional lawyer's further point of view. And even if it checks out legally, it still doesn't mean the Wikipedia entry should be renamed, although it could be considered as a factor in favor of the renaming.

See also Ubuntu debate

This "Weibo" debate may be comparable to "Ubuntu" primary topic debate, except that a commercial competition is involved in this "Weibo" debate, Ubuntu (philosophy) and Ubuntu (operating system) do not have commercial competition, but these Weibos have. The reasons against the renaming would be similar to those in Talk:Ubuntu#Requested move, plus POV and those I mentioned above.

--Tomchen1989 (talk) 21:43, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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The article obviously lacks critical point of view about the service. Considering that it is a Chinese-based company. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 11:20, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Removal of Function section

I removed the Function section because it seems redundant and is difficult to source without veering into How To territory, which WP tends to discourage. Open to discuss in case of disagreements, discussions. Krakatow (talk) 17:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 November 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved to Weibo. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 18:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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Sina Weibo → Weibo (website) – Per WP:COMMONNAME. In 2014 this website changed its name from "Sina Weibo" to "Weibo". For me I first know about this website after the renaming, and from my experience seeing from news source, social media, etc, the name "Weibo" is overwhelmingly used. The title in parenthesis can probably be changed to something other than "website" if it is suitable, as long as the name Sina is removed. Hddty (talk) 05:35, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Weibo" is a generic term for microblogging and WP:NATURAL says that we should use a natural disambiguation if we have one rather than a distinguisher with parenthesis. 三葉草SanYeCao · Talk 05:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

  In Chinese, "微博" (weibo) is a generic term for microblogging, but in English, "Weibo" commonly refer to this website. COMMONNAME can takes preference over NATURAL, similar to Coachella (festival) (not Coachella Festival or Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival). Hddty (talk) 05:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

• @Hddty: Any reason why we can't just move it to Weibo and move that page to Weibo (disambiguation)? It feels like a primary topic in English. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

  @King of Hearts That's also possible, for me at least Sina is removed. Hddty (talk) 07:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

  Weibo Corporation also exists, and makes that primary topic claim a bit muddled. 162 etc. (talk) 15:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

  Generally, websites are primary over the eponymous company that runs them, e.g. Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, if both articles exist (Google Inc. and Facebook Inc. have since changed names, but it was true even before the rename). We only see the company being primary if there is no separate article for the website, e.g. Baidu, eBay. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:11, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

  I support @King of Hearts's proposal. Killuminator (talk) 11:23, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support move to Weibo, with the dab page also being moved to Weibo (disambiguation). This article subject seems to be the WP:PTOPIC in English for the term "Weibo", and it's a bit more natural to have the moves go this way. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 15:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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