Talk:Security incidents involving George W. Bush

Requested move 8 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 15:18, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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• Assassination attempts against George W. Bush → Security incidents involving George W. Bush
• Assassination threats against Barack Obama → Security incidents involving Barack Obama

– Recent discussions - 1 2 3 - have highlighted that there are WP:BLP issues with having articles titled "attempted assassination" where there was no conviction for attempted assassination/murder. Both the George W. Bush and Barack Obama articles contain multiple incidents that do not meet this bar. For example, the Barack Obama articles contains the case of Omar J. Gonzalez, who was ultimately convicted on weapons charges, and the case of threats to kill Michelle Obama (which, while very serious, is clearly not a threat to assassinate Barack Obama). The George W. Bush article contained, until recently, the case of a man who fired at the White House and was convicted on weapons charges. There are multiple potential BLP issues stemming from the mismatch between the article titles and the incidents described. These incidents could be excised from the articles, but that would mean removing multiple notable events and would leave the articles pretty bare. Moving the articles to the new titles will allow them to comprehensively capture all security incidents involving the presidents in question while avoiding any BLP issues, as well as ensuring consistent naming across articles (i.e. when does a "threat" become an "attempt". McPhail (talk) 08:13, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Works for me! Feoffer (talk) 08:40, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Changing the title seems more accurate than current title. Vote to change. Nicolet1327 (talk) 16 October 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was to merge Bush shoeing incident into Security incidents involving George W. Bush. Wow (talk) 23:42, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

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Bush shoeing incident should be merged into this page which already covers two other security incidents. As that page's GA review states, it's unnecessarily long, particularly in the aftermath section. The reviewer "did not look closely at it for sourcing or copyvio issues" but it appears that the event section was copied and pasted from Muntadhar al-Zaidi#Shoe incident, though that can be solved by condensing the information on al-Zaidi's page. There's already been one attempt to redirect it which happened minutes after it was created. --Wow (talk) 05:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC); edited 06:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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This was not a merge, this was a backdoor deletion. No substantial content was moved, the article was simply blanked and redirected. I've undone the merger. WP:Deletion is not cleanup. ––FormalDude ^talk 20:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Discussion - plot to assassinate President Bush

List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots#George W. Bush:

Shihab Ahmed Shihab Shihab, an Iraqi citizen and resident of Columbus, Ohio, was arrested for involvement in a plot to assassinate President Bush based on information obtained from conversations he held with several undercover FBI informants.<ref>{{cite news |title=FBI foiled terror plot to kill George W Bush |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61569650 |access-date=25 May 2022 |work=BBC News |date=24 May 2022}}</ref> He was also accused of committing an immigration crime and planning to illegally smuggle Iraqi aliens into the U.S. from Mexico in order to assist with the plot. He additionally claimed to informants that he had direct connections to members of the former ISIS, including ones to former ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (before his death) and a former ISIS financial chief, the latter of whom he intended to launder money from into the U.S. via a Columbus car dealership. In February, Shihab and an informant travelled to the Bush home in Dallas, Texas and to the George W. Bush Institute to conduct surveillance. Shihab entered the country illegally in September 2020 with false identification. Shihab claimed to have worked with Iraqi terrorists to kill many American servicemen in Iraq from 2003-06 following the invasion. He stated that the motivation behind the assassination plot was anger over the Iraq War.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Benner |first1=Katie |title=Iraqi Man Helped Plot to Kill Bush, F.B.I. Says |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/24/us/politics/george-bush-plot-isis.html |access-date=25 May 2022 |work=The New York Times |date=25 May 2022}} {{subreq}}</ref>}}

Security incidents involving George W. Bush" I know this applies.

666hopedieslast (talk • contribs) 21:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

The plot was thwarted before it became a "security incidents involving George W. Bush", therefore it does not belong in this article. As noted, the plot is, as it should be, covered in George W. Bush section of the List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots article. Drdpw (talk) 21:58, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@666hopedieslast: I am waiting for you to engage in a discussion of how this plot may or may not fall within the parameters of this article. Drdpw (talk) 22:44, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I will not discuss semantics with you. Any person can rationally see that this is a security issue. 666hopedieslast (talk) 08:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

As you refuse to engage in a conversation I've requested a third opinion. Drdpw (talk) 12:23, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

2 editors want this in the article, you don't. You are arguing semantics. It is clear from your deletion of this material there will be no comprise. 666hopedieslast (talk) 20:58, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

About the Third Opinion request: The request made at Third Opinion has been removed (i.e. declined). Like all other moderated content dispute resolution venues at Wikipedia, Third Opinion requires thorough talk page discussion before seeking assistance. If an editor will not discuss, consider the recommendations which are made here. A note to 666hopedieslast: Wikipedia is built around a model of being willing to work things out collaboratively on a talk page through discussion; refusing to discuss can be seen as evidence of an editor not being here for the benefit of the encyclopedia, that is WP:NOTHERE. If your position on this is one that "any person can rationally see" then it ought to be easy enough for you to explain here on this talk page and discuss. — TransporterMan (TALK) 19:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Edit War Notice to both editors: Enough! You're obviously involved in a slow-motion revert war. It's not necessary for the 3-revert rule to be violated in order to be subject to sanctions for reverting without discussing. If either of you reverts the other again in the next 30 days, I'll report both of you to the edit war noticeboard. Either resolve this through discussion or drop the stick and walk away from this article. Again, if an editor will not discuss, consider WP:DISCFAIL and, if that's too much trouble, then walk away. — TransporterMan (TALK) 17:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

@TransporterMan: Agree . Drdpw (talk) 18:51, 1 July 2022 (UTC)