Talk:Reinhold Glière

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It strikes me that since this version is in English, we ought to use the accepted spelling for names (transliterated ones as well) in English and not use "oktet" for octet or Arenskji for Arensky, Taneev for Taneyev and many others. It is very inconsistent, on the one hand there is Rimsky Korsakov which is the common English spelling, rather than Rimskji Korsakow etc etc. Somebody ought to go though this article and make the required changes to the accepted English.

Done. A start, anyway. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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Reinhold Gliere grew up with Russian, not some fake Ukrainian culture, with Russian language, committed to Russia (he is the author of St. Petersburg anthem) and as he lived and composed in Soviet Union, he is a Soviet composer. Americans would never dissect their own personalities by ethnicity and ancestry the way they attempt to dissect others, even from distinctly non-ethnic multicultural states like Russia. Roobit (talk) 18:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the Russian: The native language in Kiev in those days was, for most people, Russian (it still is today too): as was the dominant culture - albeit with a local flavour. In fact, to start with Glier was an Imperial Russian composer rather than a Soviet one, as he was already successful before the revolution. Glier's first teacher was my great-great-grandfather, Adolf Weinberg (d 1918), the Kapelmeister of the Kiev Lutheran Church, a former army bandmaster and viola player in the Imperial orchestra in St Petersburg. The Weinberg and Glier families were social acquaintances on good terms, and Glier in turn taught my grandmother, great aunt, and my great grandfather's much younger brother Konstantine. He in his turn ended up being a music teacher in the Weimar Konservatorium. (I have documentary evidence of all this). Sasha (talk) 21:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

For this reason I am changing the recent (Ukrainian-influenced) spelling "Kyiv" to the traditional Russian-influence spelling "Kiev". "Kyiv" is anachronistic. Zaslav (talk) 01:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

What is the basis for this in Wikipedia policy? Newimpartial (talk) 01:29, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Name and spelling issues

There are some things about his name and the spelling thereof that I've never understood.

• Glière was the second son of the wind instrument maker Ernst Moritz Glier. His original name, as given in his baptism certificate, was Reinhold Ernst Glier.

Already I'm in trouble. What's a person born and raised in Imperial Russia doing with a baptism certificate written in Latin script? Maybe he was baptised in a Lutheran, Catholic, or some other non-Orthodox church – that I could readily accept, given his parents' background. But even so, surely all churches in Russia/Ukraine used Cyrillic rather than Latin script? Or, if it was a Catholic church, maybe the entire document was written in Latin – but then, wouldn't Ernst have been rendered as Ernestus or whatever the Latin equivalent is?

But even if his baptism certificate really was written in Latin script, and it really does call him "Reinhold Ernst Glier" – there's still the question of his official, legal birth name, which would have been registered somewhere other than on his baptism certificate, and most definitely using Cyrillic script. We're told it was Рейнгольд Морицевич Глиэр; shouldn't that be considered his "original name", rather than whatever appeared on his baptism certificate?

• His patronymic worries me. His father's first given name was Ernst; Moritz was his middle name. So why was Reinhold given the patronymic Moritzevich, rather than Ernstovich?

• About 1900 he changed the spelling and pronunciation of his surname to Glière.

But in what contexts? I see no evidence he ever went abroad (and we say he never did so after 1917). At home, why was a name in Latin script ever required? Was this name used for his compositions published in the West? Was it a spelling he himself chose, or did his publisher make the decision for him? Given he was of German and Polish descent, why was a spelling that looks like French or Belgian used? Sabaneyev put about the untruth that he was of Belgian descent, but the composer knew this was not true, so why did he feed the lie by using an orthography that seems to confirm it? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 21:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Gliere complete works

For completeness it would be nice for someone to include all the vocal works, film music etc. Is there a list somewhere else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.28.80 (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Yup. Knock yourself out. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 19:54, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

PLEASE: Can someone more musically knowledgeable than I am add to Gliere's accomplishments a reference to the finale of The Bronze Horseman being extracted as the "Hymn To The Great City." This has become the municipal anthem first of Leningrad and now of St. Petersburg. When the Marinsky (formerly Kirov) Ballet performed overseas the performance began with the playing of Gliere's Hymn, the audience standing in homage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wsjacobs (talk • contribs) 00:24, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Tagged Sept 2014: Article needs more in-line referencing, please

First off, from what I see, this article is pretty well-done, ♥, providing that the information (this is one composer I know virtually nothing about except from The New Grove and AllMusic's Classical Archive pages) is reflected in the references listed. However, large chunks go by in the paragraphs without in-line citations. If this is corrected, I'd say this is one for Good Article status? HammerFilmFan (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

what Baker's Biographical Dictionary had to say in 1919 . . .

from Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians, ed. Remy, 3rd Edition, 1919, NY-Boston G. Schirmer:

Gliere, Reinhold Moritzovitch, b.Kiev, Jan. 11, 1875. Pupil of Taneiev and Ippolitov-Ivanov at the Moscow Cons., 1894-1900; since 1913, dir. of the Cons. and cond. of the Symph. Orch. at Kiev. As a comp. he has attracted favorable attention with his orchl. and chamber-music works, which give evidence of remarkable inventive power and fine technical workmanship. -- Works: 3 Symphonies (op.8, Eb; op.25, C; Illia Murometz [really a symph. poem]; op.33, Die Sirene, symph. poem; op.13 Suite; op.5 String-octet in D; 2 String-quartets (op.2, A; op.20, G); 3 String sextets (op.1, F m.; op. 7, B m.; op. 11, C); pf.-pieces and songs. He has just finished an opera, Awakened, in which folk-themes are extensively employed (1916).

HammerFilmFan (talk) 14:30, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

a reference states only author & date - tagged

"David Ewen (1968)" - does this refer to The world of twentieth-century music, David Ewen, Prentice-Hall, 1968, or possibly Twentieth Century Composers, David Ewen, Books for Libraries Press, 1968, or maybe The Complete Book of Classical Music, David Ewen, Prentice-Hall, 1968? And page number(s)? HammerFilmFan (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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