Talk:Pinegrove (band)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pinegrove (band)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 12:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Will take this on for the GAN backlog, as it is well over 90 days old! --K. Peake 12:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Target Alt-country to Alternative country
• Either move the refs in the infobox to the body if they can be used to go into detail about the genres listed them or remove them for genre sourcing if useless; refs should not be in infoboxes unless absolutely required
• Where is the indie folk genre sourced?
• No association with Blue Ranger is mentioned in the body
• The word core does not need speech marks around it
• Change alternative country to alt-country for consistency
• "Pinegrove spent its early years self-releasing its music" → "Pinegrove's early years were spent self-releasing music"
• "their debut album, Meridian, in 2012" → "their debut studio album, Meridian (2012)"
• "the group issued an" → "the band issued an" but this was re-released under the record label so reword accordingly
• "Their second LP," → "Their second studio album," to be specific
• "amassing a devoted" → "gathering a devoted" to be less repetitive with the body
• "music critics' top-ten-year-end lists." → "music critics' top-10 year-end lists." per MOS:NUM with the target
• "After recording their third full-length," → "After recording its successor,"
• "the band took a year-long" → "Pinegrove took a year-long"
• "with whom he had a relationship." → "with whom they toured." because the relationship part is not properly sourced
• "Skylight saw proper release in" → "The album saw proper release independently in"
• "for their fourth effort, Marigold, released in 2020." → "for their fourth studio album, Marigold (2020)."
• The literary lyricism part does not appear to be properly written anywhere in the body; it is only said that Hall has literature influence
• Target loyal following to Cult following per the context
• "which refer to themselves as" → "which call themselves"
• "where Hall attended college." → "in Gambier, where Hall attended college." with the target, as otherwise it sounds like his college was at the nature reserve
• "The group is known for" → "They are known for"
• You should probably reword the iconography part in the body because even though the dual squares are mentioned, the style is not called geometric
• It is not written anywhere in the body that ampersand is used for their artwork and merchandise
• "Pinegrove are also known for" → "Pinegrove are also recognized for" to be less repetitive
• Target civil rights to Civil and political rights

History

Early years (2010–2014)

• The meadow img is not needed even though the band were formed in Montclair, as this type of area is not mentioned
• "childhood. Their fathers" → "childhood, during which their fathers"
• "The two first began" → "The former two first began" to specify it was them and not the fathers
• Commas are not needed around the Pug Fuglies since this is the body, not lead
• "The next year," → "During the next grade,"
• The grunge genre is not sourced
• "the band's name refers" → "the name of Pinegrove refers" but [11] should be at the end of this sentence as well as where it currently is due to backing up parts here too
• "the "pine grove" by" → "the "pinegrove" by" per the source
• "from Levine's younger sibling, Nick," → "from Zack's younger brother Nick Levine," per MOS:SAMESURNAME
• The co-production for each album part is not sourced
• [16] should be solely at the end of the sentence after [14]
• Wikilink Half Waif
• "ceased touring with the group" → "ceased touring with them" but this and the studio recordings part are not sourced, unless I missed them
• "Hall at Kenyon," → "Hall at Kenyon College,"
• The project is sourced as being synth-pop, not electronic
• "also play in as well." → "also play in."
• ""the full-time" → ""[t]he full-time" per the quote
• "based on who" → "somewhat, based on who"
• Img looks good!
• The source does not directly mention them performing in basements, plus it says they played "to no one", not small audiences
• Remove wikilink on Mixtape because that is useless in the context of it being part of the EP title
• The release of the EP is not mentioned by the source
• "in the band's early career, with the group" → "in their early career, with them" but again, this sentence is not backed up
• "The group followed it up" → "Pinegrove followed the EP up"
• "their first album," → "their debut studio album,"
• "writes that the LP" → "wrote that the album"
• "microcosm of listeners,"" → "microcosm of listeners"," per MOS:QUOTE
• Though they are mentioned as relocating in Brooklyn by the source, no mention of Hudson is offered
• "and returned home" → "and then returned home" but add the appropriate source(s)
• "The band followed the release" → "Pinegrove followed the album"
• "for their 2014 compilation," → "for their 2014 compilation album" but none of this sentence is sourced
• "which serves as an anthology of the band's" → "which served as an anthology of Pinegrove's"
• Target self-releasing to Self-publishing
• independent label → independent record label, with the wikilink
• "The group were connected with" → "Pinegrove were connected with"
• "the group received help" → "the band received help"
• "whom the group met" → "whom they met"
• The updated cover art is not mentioned by the source unless I missed it?
• "that same month." → "also in October 2015."

Breakthrough and hiatus (2016–19)

• "the band's second album," → "Pinegrove's second studio album,"
• The "basements in Montclair" part is unsourced
• "the LP represented a" → "the album represented a"
• Target following to Cult following per the context
• "across the country" not only have you not mentioned what country, but the source does not appear to
• "of the U.S. between" → "of the United States between"
• "The group recorded a" → "The band recorded a"
• Where does the source mention the release being digitally?
• Italicise Pitchfork and target to Pitchfork (website)
• "the band recorded a set" → "they recorded a set"
• "in all, the group played" → "in all, Pinegrove played"
• "of the LP." → "of the album."
• "rise to fame: "the project" → "rise to fame, writing that "the project"
• "the world right now."" → "the world right now"."
• "the group embarked on another U.S. tour." → "the band embarked on another US tour." but the source does not appear to say the tour was in the US
• "The group also released another live album," → "Pinegrove released their second live album"
• The source says the sales were committed to "fighting racial and social injustice" so are you sure the current representation is correct?
• Reword the img text so Levine's picture has relevance to this area
• The source only mentions a house being rented in upstate New York, not it being a farm one or in Kinderhook
• Where does the source mention it being on lease for them til 2020?
• "The group recorded their third album, Skylight," → "Pinegrove recorded their third studio album Skylight"
• "ten-part documentary series about the making of the LP," → "10-part documentary series about the making of the album," per MOS:NUM
• "toured the U.S. again" → "toured the US again"
• "with Saintseneca and Adult Mom set to open." → "and Saintseneca and Adult Mom being set to open."
• "its lead single, "Intrepid"," → "its lead single "Intrepid"," but don't you need a source to call it the lead single?
• "The band were widely regarded" → "Pinegrove were widely regarded"
• "its audience significantly."" → "its audience significantly"."
• Wikilink coercion
• "on the band's Facebook page" → "on Pinegrove's Facebook page," with the wikilink
• The "touring entourage" part does not appear to be sourced
• "The band canceled the" → "They canceled the"
• "in the new year, which" → "in 2018, which" but the March dates are not sourced, unless I missed something
• [2][41][3] should be put in numerical order
• Italicise Pitchfork
• "announcing the band's return." → "announcing Pinegrove's return."
• "The group's extended hiatus" → "The band's extended hiatus"
• The mediator is not mentioned as being "private" by the source
• Mention what month the independent release was in, also none of that sentence is mentioned by the sources
• "the group mutually parted" → "Pinegrove mutually parted"
• The tickets selling out is not mentioned unless I missed something?
• Where is Another Michael mentioned by the source?
• [2] should be solely at the end of the sentence before [45]
• "followed that April" → "followed in April 2019" but none of this sentence is unsourced
• "U.S. tour, with" → "US tour with"
• "Timothy Monger suggested the band" → "Timothy Monger suggested Pinegrove"
• "their lost momentum."" → "their lost momentum"."

Recent events (2020–present)

• "Later that year, the band" → "Later in 2019, Pinegrove"
• "their next full-length," → "their next studio album in"
• The parts about the album before the singles are not backed up
• Target singles to Single (music)
• "The band are currently touring across the U.S. and Europe to support the release," → "Pinegrove were set to tour across the US and Europe in 2020 to support Marigold,"
• Shouldn't Whitney Ballen and Katy J Pearson also be mentioned as assisting them?
• The pandemic stalling is not sourced
• Target Bonnaroo to Bonnaroo Music Festival
• "He also revealed" → "Hall also revealed"
• "comprehensive social platform" → "comprehensive social media platform"
• ""reimagines" songs throughout the group's" → ""reimagin[es]" songs throughout their"
• "with the band acting out" → "with Pinegrove acting out"

Imagery and following

• "and symbolic," by" → "and symbolic", by" per MOS:QUOTE
• "The group frequently uses square imagery" → "The band frequently uses square imagery" with the wikilink
• Maybe change "interlocking" to "geometric" per the source and lead?
• "the band's breakthrough effort" part can be removed, as it is already known
• "and coexisting perspectives."" → "and coexisting perspectives"."
• "Hall says the iconography" → "Hall said the iconography"
• "is just the frame."" → "is just the frame"."
• "the band has frequently referred" → "Pinegrove has frequently referred" but the majority of this sentence and the one afterward is not backed up
• ""deliberately beautiful," and" → ""deliberately beautiful", and"
• "Whenever there is an" → "[W]henever there is an"
• Remove target on reading
• [56] should be solely at the end of the sentence and merge the third para with the fourth, as the former is only one sentence
• Target progressive to Progressivism
• "made from the band's third album, Skylight, were" → "made from Skylight were"
• "The band have also contributed" → "Pinegrove have also contributed"
• The Dakota Access Pipeline protests do not appear to be sourced
• Target humanist to Humanism

Musical style and influences

• Regarding my comments about the sources in the infobox, you should probably move them here along with any info that can be added
• Target alt-country to Alternative country
• "The group has toured with" → "The band has toured with"
• "Pelly of Pitchfork notes "this" → "Pelly noted "this"
• "a discernible ease."" → "a discernible ease"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "of labeling the group," → "of labeling the band,"
• "emotive vocally, frequently."" → "emotive vocally, frequently"."
• "the band's mission: "emo" → "Pinegrove's mission of "emo"
• "to point outwards."" → "to point outwards"."
• "The group also has been" → "They also have been"
• "math rock and Americana."" → "math rock and Americana"."
• "The group's style has been" → "The band's style has been"
• Remove wikilink on fusion genre
• ""Gillian Welch, and early Death Cab for Cutie."" → "Gillian Welch, and Death Cab for Cutie's early material."
• "among the band's more direct" → "among their more direct"
• [58] should solely be after the second semi-colon
• "of the band narrativizes" → "of their narrativizes,"
• Add release year of Okonokos in brackets
• "as the catalyst" → "was the catalyst"
• "such as Stephen Steinbrink and" → "such as Steinbrink and"
• "Pinegrove as "language-arts rock."" → "Pinegrove's sound as "language arts rock"." per the source

Personnel

• Only permanent members and occasional members should be the sub-headings here, as they are all that makes up the members subheading
• Should Josh Marre be listed as Josh Marré like the prose says?
• Megan Benavente is not sourced as having been a member anywhere in the article

Discography

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks too high at 51.9% for ref 55; cut the quote para in Imagery and following to fix this
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 1, 21 and 45
• Wikilink The Daily Beast on ref 2
• Cite AllMusic as publisher instead for ref 4
• Cite OC Weekly for ref 6 with the wikilink, but it shows up as blacklisted for my laptop; is this because the website was deleted or another reason?
• Noisey → LNP on ref 8 and target to LNP (newspaper)
• Cite Consequence of Sound as website instead for refs 9, 26 and 43
• Remove the publisher from ref 11
• Wikilink Noisey on ref 12 per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Thelineofbestfit.com → The Line of Best Fit on ref 13 and fix MOS:QWQ issues
• Cite MTV News as publisher instead for ref 14
• I have my doubts about ref 15's reliability, being that it is a blog dedicated 10% to indie rock
• Remove or replace ref 16 per WP:RSSM
• Remove Pitchfork from ref 17's title and change pitchfork.com → Pitchfork, targeting to Pitchfork (website)
• Cite Pitchfork instead as website for refs 18, 20, 27, 34, 35, 36, 38, 39 and 44, with no targets for any of these ref numbers
• WP:OVERLINK of Spin for ref 23
• Cite NJ.com as publisher instead for ref 25
• NPR.org → NPR on ref 28 with the wikilink, citing as publisher instead
• Target The Observer to the appropriate article on ref 29; take a look through The Observer (disambiguation) to find which one if you're confused
• Cite Stereogum as website instead for refs 30 and 40, but remove wikilink for the latter
• Target Mic to Mic (website) on ref 31
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 32 and target Under the Radar to Under the Radar (magazine)
• Cite NPR as publisher instead for ref 37
• AXS.com → AXS on ref 46, citing as publisher instead and target to AXS (company)
• WP:OVERLINK of Consequence of Sound and MOS:QWQ issues with refs 48 and 49
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 50
• Not sure about ref 53's reliability, as the about page calls it a blog for looking at music based on favouritism
• Cite KPSU.org as publisher instead for ref 55; this would be a WP:RSSM violation but it is an interview so is fine to be cited
• Ref 56 is a duplicate of ref 7
• WP:OVERLINK of AllMusic for ref 59
• Remove wikilink on The Line of Best Fit on ref 60
• Cite Creative Loafing Tampa as publisher instead for ref 61
• Target AMNY to AM New York Metro on ref 62
• WP:OVERLINK of Kenyon College for ref 63
• Target Alternative Press to Alternative Press (magazine) on ref 64 and fix MOS:QWQ issues

External links

• Remove this since the website is linked to from the infobox

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; great to help cut down on the outstanding nominations, but the main issue here is the original research. --K. Peake 17:13, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

• I am going to have to ✗ Fail this article, as it has been on hold for two weeks and only seen that number of edits from the nominator plus they were both more than a week ago. If the nominator makes a return to actively editing Wiki and wants me to reopen, I possibly will. --K. Peake 06:32, 16 March 2021 (UTC

Should we still be referring to Nandi by her maiden name?

Hey so it looks like Nandi is referred to as Nandi Rose Plunkett throughout the article. But when she married in 2019 she changed her last name to Levine (for sources that this is her last name, see her credit in the 2020 Poise EP and her educator bio for Kite's Nest). Since then her name as a performer has been Nandi Rose and her full name had been Ananda (Nandi) Rose Levine. I think referring to her as either Nandi Rose of Nandi Rose Levine would probably be more accurate than using her maiden name.

Is this worth changing? And which of the options would be better? Tiny Ivy (talk) 23:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)