Talk:Martian

Deletion (2004)

11/30/04: The bulk of this 'article' was removed because it's supposed information did not match what is currently known to science about the planet Mars or the existance of alien life. In short, quoting something a psychic imagined in a vision is not the same as finding evidence of martian life. Aliens and their cities and belief systems should only be discussed in spectulative terms until such a time as they can be physically proven to exist. A more appropriate approach for this article would be to discuss the various forms of intelligent Martians that have appeared in science fiction books and movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.78.245.3 (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2004‎ (UTC)

The real Martians

there no such things of " The real Martians" and does not exist and just a cartoon just like Marvin the Martian from Looney Tunes blieve me or not? KanuT 16:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

There may be real martians, microbacteria living underground, perhaps, and there will probably be colonisation of Mars in the future by humans. So to place in the article that real martians are only found in cartoons is uncited, unlikely (on an all-time lasting scale), and in general... unsuitable for Wikipedia. ~ Ghelæ ^talk_contribs 15:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I read in a non-fiction book called ALIEN ABDUCTION? The evidence and the arguments that bacteria has actually been found on Mars. Eboynine (talk) 05:43, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Move: not primary topic (2014)

   As noted at Mars in fiction#Martians in fiction, fiction about (indigenous) Martians is largely a nostalgia topic. I haven't looked back to see if perhaps treating them as the primary topic for "Martian" was justified when the page was named, by enuf of the other topics lagging behind the creation of this sense that it did outweigh all the others that now exist. But it seems clear, now, that (given that WP:PRIMARY TOPIC does not mean "most popular topic") there is no primary topic for the the word.
--Jerzy•t 00:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

"The Martians (group)"

The usage of The Martians (group) is under discussion, see talk:The Martians (group) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 08:47, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

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Here, the Martians are disguised as humans, but towards the end of the episode we see that they have three eyes. CORRECTION: three arms -- Venusians have three eyes (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_the_Real_Martian_Please_Stand_Up%3F)

Requested move 25 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:25, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

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Martian → Martians – WP:PLURAL –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 13:44, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). – Ammarpad (talk) 12:09, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• Apart from a bold move in 2014 that was quickly reverted, this article has been stable since 2001, and I do not see it fits an exemption in WP:PLURAL. Sam Sailor 11:33, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PLURAL rule that article titles should be singular. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 15:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Doesn't the nomination statement directly contradict the proposed move? Nohomersryan (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Going to strike my oppose for now. Although it's true Martian is fictional, the consistency argument is reasonably compelling. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PLURAL. Have y'all actually read that before? We put articles on people groups in the plural - French people, Americans, Asian people, White Bolivians, etc. Not sure why Martians would be any different. Red Slash 04:17, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @Red Slash: Indeed, yes, and my thought was that Martian as a fictional element does not fit Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). But if I then look at article titles in Category:Fictional extraterrestrial life forms we either have some articles with plural titles that should be moved/discussed, or I am wrong and "Martians" is just fine? Best, Sam Sailor 07:45, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. As a nonexistent group of people, WP:NCET doesn't really apply. In general types of people are not pluralized, such as Barber or Alien (law) (I was going to check if Alien was pluralized, but actually the article is at Extraterrestrial life, a generic concept term). -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

  Not types of people, groups of people. Red Slash 01:29, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

  Colin below came up with a much better example than I was able to. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:13, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support per User:Red Slash. The article is written exactly like a people group article, not a species or phenomenon. Alien (law) and barber refer to a legal status and a profession respectively. I encourage previous commenters​​ to address this. —  AjaxSmack  18:17, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Unlike Americans and White Bolivians (and even unlike some fictional examples like Formics or Tagorians), "Martians" doesn't refer to any particular definite group of people (or sentient beings). It just refers to any things having a particular property - being native to Mars. It's a label that applies to many distinct fictional societies or species imagined by writers over the years. I think a closer analogy in this case than Americans would be articles on other classes of legendary beings - e.g. Fairy, Leprechaun, Troll. Colin M (talk) 16:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
• Cf. Earthling, but also Venusians. Dekimasuよ! 15:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

  Also Jovian (fiction). Colin M (talk) 23:07, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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