Talk:Maria Pia de Saxe-Coburgo e Bragança

Requested move 14 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. After 21 days and one relisting (long enough for two relistings), there is no good reason yet to rename this article. As usual, the no-consensus decision means that there is no prejudice toward a new move request; however, it is strongly suggested that editors garner some consensus for a new title before a new request is made. Happy New Year to All! (closed by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  19:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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Maria Pia de Saxe-Coburgo e Bragança → Maria Pia of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza – All the Braganza's family names are translated in EN-Wikipedia. This lady is also referred with the translated name in several English language bibliography: for example, Maria Pia of Braganza was cited as Princess Maria Pia of Saxe-Coburg, duchess of Bragança in CHILCOTE, Ronald H.; The Portuguese Revolution: State and Class in the Transition to Democracy, page 37. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers; Reprint edition (August 31, 2012). Also Jean Pailler book cited her as "Maria Pia of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha Braganza, the Princess Royal of Portugal and Duchess of Braganza" and as "Maria Pia of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza". Anjo-sozinho (talk) 17:36, 14 December 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose this is a modern person, no need to translate the name. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:43, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
• Agree with the move. The other modern persons related with Maria Pia of Braganza have their names translated and also in the English sources (the cited bibliography) she have her name translated. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 12:04, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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Complete a technical move (simple translation)

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The result of the move request was: procedural close of the move request: the current discussion is unlikely to establish consensus to move the page at this time. This is not just a technical move, because there is a great deal of discussion of the current title in the archives of this page, indicating that the matter is not one of simple translation. Further, the previous move request which garnered no support took place just weeks ago. Like the previous closer, I suggest engaging in discussion with other editors before requesting this move again. Dekimasuよ! 17:10, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Maria Pia de Saxe-Coburgo e Bragança → Maria Pia of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza – All the Braganza's family names are translated in EN-Wikipedia. This lady is also referred with the translated name in several English language bibliography: for example, Maria Pia of Braganza was cited as Princess Maria Pia of Saxe-Coburg, duchess of Bragança in CHILCOTE, Ronald H.; The Portuguese Revolution: State and Class in the Transition to Democracy, page 37. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers; Reprint edition (August 31, 2012). Also Jean Pailler book cited her as "Maria Pia of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha Braganza, the Princess Royal of Portugal and Duchess of Braganza" and as "Maria Pia of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza". Anjo-sozinho (talk) 23:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

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Surname at birth

Frustratingly her surname at birth is still an unknown to us. It could not have been the name that is now in the first mention of this article. There are rules about that on Wikipedia. I removed “of Braganza” from the text because it is a claim to a title and in no way a surname. I keep wonderkind about the first mention though. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 18:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Undid revision 1086186207 by Ricercastorica (talk) Please explain why "Manlio" should be removed from his name

Because Manlio was the brother of Giuseppe, please refer to its genealogy https://gw.geneanet.org/mblais_w?lang=it&pz=francois&nz=blais&ocz=6&p=giuseppe&n=blais&oc=1 Regards, --Ricercastorica (talk) 07:02, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

The fact that an internet genealogy source says that Giuseppe had a brother Manlio, does not mean that Giuseppe himself did not also have the name Manlio. He is referred to as "Giuseppe Manlio Blais" by the Italian Communist newspaper L'Unita: https://archive.org/details/unita_1965-02-03/mode/2up?q=%22Giuseppe+Manlio+Blais%22&view=theater Noel S McFerran (talk) 21:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)