Talk:Mairead Maguire

Mairead Corrigan and Israel

I've tried to enrich the section on Israel by adding some information. It still needs more work, though. There's a paragraph there about Obama's election victory that doesn't belong under an Israel heading. And the details relating to Corrigan's participation in the Gaza flotilla need to be updated and worded better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.64.188.14 (talk) 12:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm the same editor as before. I've expanded the Israel section some more, including details relating to the latest incident of Corrigan's detention in Israel after being refused an entry visa. It might be a good idea to include one of those CURRENT EVENT headlines at the top of the page until that situation is resolved. I also removed the following text about Barack Obama from the section on Israel:

On 9 October 2009, Corrigan expressed disappointment with the choice of U.S. President Barack Obama as the winner of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, stating, "[g]iving this award to the leader of the most militarized country in the world, which has taken the human family against its will to war, will be rightly seen by many people around the world as a reward for his country's aggression and domination."

It's here in the Discussion in case someone wants to reinsert it in a more appropriate location.132.64.187.250 (talk) 16:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

References

Peace activist?

I'm considering changing the first paragraph of the article: it seems to me that labeling Corrigan a peace activist represents a point of view and doesn't accurately reflect objective reality. However, I'd prefer to receive input from other editors before making that change. Basically, a peace activist is supposed to be a person who is committed to nonviolent activism. Yet Corrigan's participation in a number of violent protests, both in the US and in Israel, along with her warm ties to Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, suggest that Corrigan doesn't really deserve to have the title peace activist conferred on her. Perhaps the edit could take the direction of something like "Ireland peace activist," to stress that Corrigan's commitment to nonviolence applied to her days as an activist on behalf of a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Northern Ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.64.208.150 (talk) 11:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

It seems that you are trying to make a content decision based on your own analysis of reality without referring to what reliable sources have to say on the matter.

• The BBC seem to go for 'Nobel peace laureate'/'winner'
• The Belfast Telegraph follow the same lines with the occasional 'peace campaigner'.
• The Independent go for 'Nobel peace laureate'/'winner' too.
• Jpost does too.
• Haaretz does too with a couple of 'activist' thrown in.
• New York Times too.
• Britannica refer to her as 'Northern Irish peace activist'
• Forward go for 'activist'/'Irish Nobel Peace laureate'/'Irish peace activist'

Sean.hoyland - talk 18:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, those are reliable sources. "Peace activist" stays, then. My only comment would be that the label "peace activist" has itself become diluted of any real significance. That's another argument of course, though.132.64.208.149 (talk) 11:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Sources

I've removed the 'In May 2009, following a visit to Guatemala..etc' for now as the sourcing doesn't look great. blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2009/05/mairead_maguire_customs.php is a blog..obviously...and I'm not sure it complies with WP:BLPSPS. www.freegaza.org doesn't look good enough for a BLP either. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Understood. Would this be an acceptable source? http://www.nobelwomensinitiative.org/images/stories/Mairead_Maguire_Detained.pdf | 132.64.188.17 (talk) 13:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I think so because it's a statement issued through her organization in her own words. This Huffington Post article looks okay too. Sean.hoyland - talk 02:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Corrigan or Maguire?

Having rewritten the United Stated section over the weekend, and done considerable work on the page in general lately, it seems to me that virtually every news source out there refers to Mairead as "Mairead Maguire" and not "Mairead Corrigan." This is also, as far as I can tell, how she signs her own letters. Shouldn't we change the title to reflect this reality?132.64.188.15 (talk) 09:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Criticism section

If you look through the History back to around May 2007, there was stuff on the page about the controversy surrounding the decision to keep the prize money, and there was also stuff about whether or not the People People really affected the situation in NI and whether they were worthy of the Nobel Prize. Back then there were no sources for anything, so it's understandable that it was removed over the years. This time, though, I think there're valid sources out there to warrant an expanded criticism section.132.64.188.40 (talk) 11:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I had a quick look at the additions and it looked okay to me. I also removed something below that without a source/attribution. Sean.hoyland - talk 11:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, that wasn't intended to be anything more than an introductory paragraph to lead into the actual critics. I thought I was stating self-evident information and putting the information below into context, but okay. 132.64.188.44 (talk) 14:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

It was an unsourced synthesis of unspecified material in an article covered by BLP. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved; no objection to appeal to WP:COMMONNAME. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 08:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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Mairead Corrigan → Mairead Maguire — 1. "Mairead Corrigan" is outdated. Few if any news sources still report events using that name. What is ubiquitous - and has been for years now - is "Mairead Maguire." ("Mairead Corrigan Maguire" is also relatively less common.) 2. Furthermore, two reliable sources explicitly note that Mairead changed her name following her marriage to her brother-in-law Jackie Maguire. (See references in infobox after name.) 3. And finally, a Google search for ["Mairead Corrigan" -wikipedia -"corrigan maguire"] yields 175,000 results, whereas a search for ["Mairead Maguire" -wikipedia] returns 335,000 results.132.64.188.17 (talk) 08:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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Some ideas for developing the article further

Help from other editors in these areas would be very helpful.

1. Expand the Early life section. There's only one line there. What did Maguire do in the years leading up to her sister's tragedy?
2. Obtain more photos. The Peace People may agree to share some of its photos with Wikipedia upon request. By the same token, the Israeli army may respond positively to formal requests from Wikipedia for permission to use photos like the one here.
3. Create a Personal philosophy section. Maguire's activism, contrary to what the media's coverage suggests, is backed up by a pretty rich philosophical and spiritual base. This speech in Rome from 2006 and this one in London from 2009 could be two places to start.
4. Break up the Israel section. The Israel section is rather long and should be broken up into subheadings. Maguire's Vanunu activism and her flotilla sailings naturally warrant subheadings of their own, but there's other material – both in the article and online – that, with the proper organization, would enrich the article considerably were it integrated.
5. What other troubled regions of the world has Maguire personally visited or directed her attention to? The web is loaded with references to Maguire's Palestine campaigns, her criticism of Western involvement in the Gulf, and of course her activism in Northern Ireland. But she's spoken out on the conflict in Chechnya, the situation in Tibet, and the list probably goes on.
6. Add Maguire's signature to the infobox. See comment in the infobox source: there's a signature that can probably be made available for use on Wikipedia by request from the publisher on page 14 here.—Biosketch (talk) 18:47, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

"by some" and "excess" civilian deaths

Regarding edits by ip 89.168.120.72: After a quick search, I have found no reliable research indicating that sanctions against Iraq caused fewer that "hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths." If anyone has this research, please bring it forward. I have found quite a few estimates of reliable research showing that the sanctions did cause "hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths."

I believe all civilian deaths are excess. I have not looked up the laws, but imagine the geneva conventions on war also defines causing civilian deaths during war as criminal. Dkreisst (talk) 18:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

There probably was this many excess deaths during the 90's although those are Iraqi figures, but there are many who blame the excess deaths on the Iraqi government because they chose not to buy medicine or food or rebuild relevant buildings. People who assert much culpability on the Iraqi government include Bill Clinton and Madelaine Albright. The previous version factually blames the sanctions for everything. Check Sanctions against Iraq page. Anyway this paragraph is a summary of Iraq in the 90's and bears no mention to Mairead Maguire so it should be removed. It is not relevant and is not needed. The next paragraph already mentions her opposition to the sanctions. 89.168.120.72 (talk) 23:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the paragraph doesn't mention Maguire, but it does add context to her opposition to the sanctions, which is useful to the reader. I'll add a sentence to the paragraph, let me know what you think. Dkreisst (talk) 05:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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