Talk:Louis Wessels

Requested move 8 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: No move. There's no agreement to use the ß after 10 days. Cúchullain ^t/c 20:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Louis Wessels → Louis Weßels – Primary country of notability and place of residence both Germany; German spelling is Weßels Rovingrobert (talk) 05:55, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:59, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

• Might be controversial per WP:EN. The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources. — Zawl 11:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
• @Rovingrobert and Zawl: Queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:59, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
• Keep at Wessels. The "ß" is not used in English sources. Are we going to start using the Russian alphabet for our Russian sports figures? Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:18, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
• Keep - as above - the ligature "ß" is not used / not legible in English. WP:EN. (I'm sure that this has already been discussed to death but can't find the link now). Eustachiusz (talk) 01:06, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
• Comment as WP:ß summarizes, German double s is used in en.wp when it comes to scientists, German authors and most locally notable politicians, except the one big internationally notable exception Franz Josef Strauß. However as we know per WP:TENNISNAMES and WP:TENNISNAMES2, tennis player articles are the most resistant to "foreign names" on en.wp and we have Unicode-phobic nonsense like the removal of the Puerto Rican Olympic gold medal winner's first Spanish accent, but not her second Spanish accent in her matronym. So I don't see this passing, sorry for the 19 year old who so far is only notable for play in Germany. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:46, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose - foreign letters are generally transliterated into English. The "ß" falls into the same category as Russian or Greek letters, as it's a letter, not just an accented version of an English letter. Academicoffee71 (talk) 22:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC) see SPI
• Move This player simply is not important enough to have established a WP:COMMONNAME akin to Franz Josef Strauß. As far as the argument regarding Russian letters that keeps getting mentioned is a total strawman as the "ß" is still part of the latin script and as such there is no need to transliterate as opposed to russian or greek. It has also long being established that we do not have to follow English sources that are known to be typographical challenged. Agathoclea (talk) 15:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
• Change to support - the appearance of new user prompting Sock Investigation above reminds me how disruptive in the long term this anti-diacritic business is. This young athlete is barely known outside Germany and it will not harm anyone to arrive at his correct spelling via a redirect, this is a BLP, and no reason not to be accurate with biodata. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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