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Latest comment: 4 years ago by Historyday01 in topic Split

Suggested split (never mind)

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Given how long the section on "Animated series" is and how easily it could fill its own article, I would suggest for it to be split up into a separate page called "List of animated shows with LGBT characters", while another one is "List of animated films with LGBT characters", which will also include short films. Thoughts? PanagiotisZois (talk) 17:09, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

what about hideri from blend-s?

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

Hideri does every single thing a trans woman would do. She struggles with the bathroom and that's something trans women have to go through. Masterball2 (talk) 16:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I haven't seen the show, but from what I've read he identifies as male and crossdresses as more of a hobby, and to further his dream of becoming an idol. So I'd say no. Raymond1922 (talk) 05:17, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
Then, could it be passable to put him as a "genderqueer" character, mainly because of him playing and accepting the role of a girl whilst being aware he's a boy? GlitchyM. (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
We describe the LGBT characters, rather than looking for loopholes to rank someone with. Hideri never claimed that he identifies himself as a girl or that he is not comfortable in the male gender role. Moreover, his pairing is a clear reference to straight shouta cliche with a mature woman and a feminine boy. Solaire the knight (talk) 13:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

The Crumpets

Latest comment: 5 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

I would like to add the French show The Crumpets to this list. I can't find reliable sources on the homosexuality in the show, at least out of the sources I can access. The episode where two characters married each other was screened in the Annecy International Animated Film Festival. --TheGGoose (talk) 14:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Could u specify what characters they were? GlitchyM. (talk) 19:22, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
The characters were Grownboy and Steve. Grownboy (Grangran in French) is bisexual as he is attracted to his best friend Steve, but had a temporary relationship with a woman (Ms. McBrisk) and almost married her during the episode. Steve is Grownboy's best friend; they marry in the ending of their story in that episode. The episode was "Cui-cui la praline". TheGGoose (talk) 15:28, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Ok that's fine :) GlitchyM. (talk) 13:23, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Riko Saikawa from Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The character heavily emphasizes her love for Kanna the dragon girl, to which Kanna in turn hints in returning those feelings because of stating in Episode 6 that she thrives to have a relationship with Riko similar to what Miss Kobayashi and Tohru have. Now I know there have been talks about how her young age (9 years old) might be a barrier to her being aware of her sexual orientation, however the manga has stated on several occasions that she is attracted to Kanna. Also basing it in this day of age (and considering when the anime/manga was released), most people have discovered that they are not straight at a very young age, including multiple queer celebrities. Additionally, there are also other young anime characters on the list that love the same gender, e.g. Kuro Kagami from 'Kudomo no Jikan', Various characters in 'YuruYuri' (to which almost every character is 11-14 years old), Cocona and Papika from 'Flip Flappers' who are both aged 10 and Shio Kobe from 'Happy Sugar Life' who is implied to be aged between 8 and 10. Should we at least put her as 'lesbian' or maybe 'ambiguously lesbian' unless something changes in the manga or upcoming second season?? GlitchyM. (talk) 19:58, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Ako and Riko from KissXsis

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I remember at one point adding these twins to the list, and it was seen as fine for quite a while but then it was suddenly removed. Just to make sure, is it alright to put them as bisexual because of their sexual innuendos with each other within the series and them having sex with each other in Episode 3 of the OVA? Furthermore Keita, their half-brother, is the only male character they admitted having an attraction to. Other encounters have been between each other, and at one point Riko showing a particular interest in Miharu in Episode 6 of the OVA. GlitchyM. (talk) 20:07, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

"Furthermore Keita, their half-brother" - purest speculation. As for the ecchi fanservice, you can call MC gay with the same logic, because he avoids the “accessible” girls. I have to once again tell you that speculation, scenes taken out of context or too serious reading of comic moments cannot be a reliable source. Solaire the knight (talk) 12:53, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Ahh ok I see GlitchyM. (talk) 21:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

OK KO! Let's Be Omitted?

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Is there an explanation for the removal of the OK KO post regarding Red Action and Enid? Despite the sources being cited, including confirmation from the show's creator, the inclusion of the OK KO post was omitted in its entirety. The only indication that I got for its removal was due to this post on the article's changes page with its edit summary stating: 

    "It's not use, i doubt it that Ian will ever gonna show It. Maybe it's was a Lie. This proof is not 100% valuable. For what 
     reason you think CN is airing off less this show?" WikiKong (talk) 03:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Suggested split

Latest comment: 4 years ago11 comments4 people in discussion
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to split. PanagiotisZois (talk) 18:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I made a similar suggestion at an earlier point but whatever. Again, I believe that this page should be split. This time, I also came with receits. According to Wikipedia:Article size, "a page of about 30 to 50 kilobytes (kB) of readable prose, which roughly corresponds to 6,000 to 10,000 words [and] takes between 30 and 40 minutes to read at average speed, which is right on the limit of the average concentration span of 40 to 50 minutes" is considered the ideal length for an article. Moreover, as Wikipedia:Splitting states, if an article consists of 100,000 bytes / 100,000 characters, it "almost certainly should be divided". In the case of this specific page, as shown with XTools right here, it consists of 306,705 bytes / 10,540 characters.

Granted, the amount of characters isn't even above 40,000, where it's stated that "length alone does not justify division". Having said that, the amount of bytes is still three times larger than the maximum (100,000). Moreover, as someone placed at the top of the article, it's too long. Navigating the entire thing is a hassle. Trying to edit it is an even bigger one. For this reason, I believe that the article should be split into two. One article will be "List of animated series with LGBT characters", which will include television series, web series, and direct-to-video ones (mostly anime). The second one will be "List of animated films with LGBT characters", which will include short films (films less that 40 minutes), and feature ones; which are longer.

Additional edit: Something else that just crossed my mind is the history section. This page seems like it's trying to be 3 different things at once: 1) A list of animated films with LGBT characters, 2) a list of animated series with LGBT characters, and 3) an article detailing the history of LGBT themes and characters in animation. We can't have an article be all 3 at once.

Pinging @Daniel Carrero, GlitchyM., and Solaire the knight: as some of the users with the most edits on this page; who are also still active. But obviously, everyone is welcome to join. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I suggest splitting between Japanese anime, and non-Japanese media, because most works currently listed here are Japanese.
Suggested article names:
--Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:32, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
@Daniel Carrero: I'd be lying if I said the thought hadn't crossed my mind. But I'm not sure if splitting the article based on country of origin is a good idea. Because then, one could take every different country of origin into consideration and make a separate list for every single one of them. And doing it in "Japanese" vs "Non-Japanese" seems kind of arbitrary. Wheareas doing it by medium - "Film" vs. "Series" - seems more objective. Especially since we already have such lists. PanagiotisZois (talk) 23:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
@Daniel Carrero: Just got an idea. What if we separate them by medium, and then country of origin? PanagiotisZois (talk) 12:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
@PanagiotisZois: At the moment, we have a few dozens of animated films and a few hundreds of animated series. I think at least the films can all be kept together in the same page. It can be called List of animated films with LGBT characters. It would be a very short article in my opinion, but I guess having a short list (with the potential to grow) is better than a very long list like the current one that contains everything together.
If we just separated by medium without worrying about anything else (say, having just List of animated films with LGBT characters and List of animated series with LGBT characters), the series one would still be very long, the removal of films wouldn't make much a difference.
We also have List of films with LGBT characters for live-action films. Someone might have the idea to merge the animated films together with the live-action films, but I'd prefer keeping them separate. The live-action list itself is getting too long, and it should have proper notes eventually for most if not all characters, which would make it longer still.
If we wanted to keep all countries together like they already are, we could separate them by date, like List of wars: 1900–1944. If we keep all films together and separate just the series by date, we can keep the articles more or less like this:
I guess we can't have separate pages for every country. There are only 3 UK series, 2 Chinese series, and so on. Plus some works are from multiple countries: Bravest Warriors is apparently from Canada and US.
Japan in an interesting case in my opinion, because there are just so many anime here. It's actually kind of hard finding non-anime here. The sort button at the top of the table helps, but there are multiple tables to check. This article basically looks like just an anime list already.
Some people may have an interest in anime specifically, or may not be interested in anime. Judging from the number of series listed, we could have at least a separate Japanese list as I suggested above. Maybe also USA separately, because there are also quite a few American works here. We also have a few LGBT-related anime categories like Category:Yuri (genre) anime and manga.
If we separated by medium, and then kept only the Japanese series in a separate article, it could look like this:
Feel free to change anything, these are just a few ideas. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
@Daniel Carrero: OK, I really like your ideas. And you're right. Even if we separated the list by medium, the "Series" would still be huge. For this reason I do believe your idea of separating them by century seems preferable. I mean, we do have lists such as List of 1970s American television episodes with LGBT themes, though those are by decade. I guess separating them by decade, at least in the 20th century wouldn't work. I mean, even now the 60s to 80s are grouped together because they just have so few examples.
As for creating a separate list containing just anime, I think that should be done at a later point, once we've separated the shows by century and made sure that everything is properly cited and whatnot. PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:34, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
A lot of entries have either no source or are based purely on first-party sources. Those should be removed as they lack significance. Listing every LGBT character that has ever appeared in an animated work is too general and too broad in scope. Especially given that the existence of an LGBT character in any given work is routine in media today. —Farix (t | c) 22:42, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
@TheFarix: I have to disagree with your first comment that a lot of entries should be removed simply because they have "no source or are based purely on first-party sources". Take Dear Brother for example. That anime has 0 sources. However, this doesn't change the fact that 1) It features multiple LGBT characters who, 2) Are also main characters and, 3) Was one of the earliest animated works with LGBT characters. Also, just because "the existence of an LGBT character in any given work is routine in media today", doesn't mean that they aren't still significant; especially in Western animation. But that's a topic for a different discussion. PanagiotisZois (talk) 23:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
no 50.106.16.170 (talk) 02:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
@50.106.16.170: Valid answer, but care to explain why, with the infinite wisdom 10 edits afford you? PanagiotisZois (talk) 12:23, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Asobe Asobase

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I do not understand, are you kidding me? Is it really not clear that when a character’s real gender is running gag and plot intrigue, does it not say anything about their perceived transsexuality? Solaire the knight (talk) 12:47, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

But Tsugumi Aozora was described as a feminine-presenting classmate. Oh well...would it be a stretch to still retain Tsugumi as bisexual since according to Episode 5 and 10, Tsugumi used to have a boyfriend and at the same time kisses/takes an interest in Kasumi? GlitchyM. (talk) 21:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
As bisexual? Well, considering that gender identity doesn’t change much about bisexuality, I think we can. But only with an indication of the context. Solaire the knight (talk) 12:16, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Asexual characters

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

"This is a list of animation series with LGBTQ+ characters. This list includes gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender fictional characters..." In my opinion, asexual characters such as SpongeBob should not be included. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. Frankly, I'm not sure this is a good idea for an encyclopedia article, full stop. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:35, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, well I added it thinking it would be acceptable considering that recent Asexual characters like Todd Chavez from BoJack Horseman were available. But I guess although Stephen Hillenburg confirmed it himself, doesn't mean the characters (Spongebob and Patrick) were open or probably aware of it. GlitchyM. (talk) 21:04, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
I do not mind, the main thing is that, like in trans case, here not be dragged any characters that are simply not interested in romance. Solaire the knight (talk) 12:13, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Split

Latest comment: 4 years ago9 comments3 people in discussion

I know, I know. I'm making another suggested split. Though this isn't necessarily me saying that we should do it; merely providing some factual information. So, I went looking through the page to see how many series are listed here. Granted, I might have made a mistake here and there, and the numbers might be off by one or two digits. Either way, these are the amount of series in every section: "1960s-80s" has 8, "1990s" has 38, "2000s" has 138 (yeah, I noticed that), and the "2010s" has 205 series. The last section, all by itself, has more series than the previous three combined.

In total, there's 389 animated series on the list. From those numbers, 299 are Japanese anime. If you round up that number in percentage, it comes up 77%. Non-Japanese animated series on the other hand are 90, making up 23%. From those "cartoons", 70 of them are American. 5 are Canadian, 3 French, 3 American-Canadian productions, 2 Brazilian, 2 are British, 2 are Chinese (so I guess those fall under the category of donghua than cartoon), 1 is American-Israeli, 1 Australian, and lastly, 1 is Kiwi (New Zealand).

So, there you have it. The breakdown of the shows on this list. Personally, given that Japanese anime are almost 300 and make up more than three quarters of the list, while I'm not saying that they should be split into their own section, it does seem reasonable. PanagiotisZois (talk) 11:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I saw a Draft:List of Japanese anime with LGBT characters but it stands to be a content fork if the anime series are kept here. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

I think splitting it off would be acceptable as long as this page links to that page. I also tried to add in some sources for some of the anime, but I found a couple which are not listed on this page, according to here which should be added to the text whether or not being split off into another article:

  • El Cazador de la Bruja (2007)
  • Yuru Yuri (2011)
  • Kiniro Mosaic (2013)
  • Yagate Kimi ni Naru (2018)
  • Asagao to Kase-san (2018)

The same goes to ones listed here:

  • Oniisama E (Brother Dear Brother) [already below, called a different name]
  • Maria-sama ga Miteru (The Virgin Mary is Watching You)
  • Noir

Additionally, someone needs to go through ALL of these entries and either source the content or remove it. There's a lot listed here, but sadly few sources are cited. That could be easily remedied.

I'm only beginning my watching of anime, but I'll do my best to add in what I've watched to try and improve this article. It is clearly a work in progress. Historyday01 (talk) 03:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Going through the list, here are those that need sourcing:

  • The Rose of Versailles
  • Patalliro!
  • Stop!! Hibari-kun!
  • Genesis Climber MOSPEADA
  • Fight! Iczer One
  • The Simpsons (apart from Patty and Smithers)
  • RG Veda
  • Dear Brother
  • Ai no Kusabi
  • Yu Yu Hakusho (for Itsuki)
  • Akazukin Chacha
  • Dirty Pair Flash
  • Gargoyles (for most characters)
  • Miyuki-chan in Wonderland
  • Fushigi Yûgi
  • El-Hazard (for Fatora Venus)
  • Gunsmith Cats (for Misty Brown)

And those are the only ones I see so far. There are undoubtedly more which I'll also list here. Historyday01 (talk) 03:36, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok, here are a few others I noticed without sources:

  • Rurouni Kenshin
  • Superman: The Animated Series
  • You're Under Arrest
  • Revolutionary Girl Utena (for Kozue Kaoru)
  • Maze
  • Battle Athletes
  • Variable Geo
  • Space Goofs
  • South Park (for Mr. Slave, Stephen Stotch)
  • Outlaw Star
  • Devil Lady
  • Sorcerous Stabber Orphen
  • Cardcaptor Sakura (for Ruby Moon)
  • Hunter x Hunter
  • Turn A Gundam
  • Mission Hill
  • One Piece
  • Family Guy (for Ida Davis)
  • OH! Super Milk Chan
  • Miami Guns
  • Descendants of Darkness
  • Gravitation
  • Inuyasha
  • As Told by Ginger
  • Queer Duck
  • Fruits Basket
  • The Oblongs
  • X
  • Time Squad
  • Hanaukyo Maid Team
  • Mirage of Blaze
  • .hack//sign
  • Cheeky Angel
  • Clone High
  • Red vs. Blue
  • Air Master
  • Saint Beast
  • Eddsworld
  • Ikki Tousen (all except for Ryofu Housen)
  • Godannar
  • Yami to Bōshi to Hon no Tabibito
  • Fullmetal Alchemist
  • Samurai Champloo
  • Yakitate!! Japan
  • Kannazuki no Miko
  • Mezzo DSA
  • Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo
  • Doki Doki School Hours
  • Gakuen Alice
  • Girls Bravo
  • Burst Angel
  • Kyo Kara Maoh!
  • Magical Teacher Negima!
  • The Venture Bros. (most of the characters)
  • Embracing Love
  • Paradise Kiss (for Jōji "George" Koizumi)
  • Loveless
  • Legend of DUO
  • He Is My Master
  • Sukisho
  • Ultimate Girls
  • Moral Orel
  • Fudêncio e Seus Amigos (for Jacques Janine Costeaul and Policeman Delcídio)
  • The Boondocks
  • American Dad!
  • Zegapain
  • The Third
  • Ouran High School Host Club
  • Princess Princess
  • Simoun (most characters)
  • Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl
  • Kagihime
  • Marginal Prince
  • Gakuen Heaven
  • Tactical Roar
  • Air Gear
  • Ray the Animation
  • Witchblade
  • Tsuyokiss
  • Le Chevalier D'Eon
  • Happiness!
  • Red Garden
  • Sasami: Magical Girls Club
  • Strain: Strategic Armored Infantry
  • Code Geass
  • Kirarin Revolution
  • My-Otome
  • Gintama
  • Lizzy the Lezzy
  • Shattered Angels
  • Gurren Lagann
  • Tōka Gettan
  • Lovely Complex
  • Zombie Loan
  • Rick & Steve: The Happiest Gay Couple in All the World (for Chuck Masters & Evan Martinez)
  • Blue Drop
  • Myself ; Yourself
  • Darker than Black
  • Candy Boy
  • Nodame Cantabile
  • Chowder
  • The Nutshack
  • Moyashimon: Tales of Agriculture
  • Rosario + Vampire
  • Monochrome Factor
  • Macross Frontier
  • Antique Bakery
  • Shōjo Sect
  • Kamen no Maid Guy
  • Penguin Musume
  • Mnemosyne)
  • Koihime Musō
  • Black Butler
  • Superjail!
  • Junjou Romantica
  • A Certain Magical Index; A Certain Scientific Railgun
  • Magician's Academy
  • Akikan! (for Hidehiko Otoya)
  • Hetalia: Axis Powers
  • Tenchi Muyo! War on Geminar
  • Valkyria Chronicles
  • Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
  • The Goode Family
  • Sweet Blue Flowers (for Yasuko Sugimoto and Shinako Sugimoto)
  • Taishō Baseball Girls
  • Kanamemo
  • Whispered Words (for Tomoe Hachisuka, Miyako Taema, and Masaki Akemiya)
  • Fairy Tail
  • Kiddy Girl-and (for Di-air)
  • Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas
  • Maria Holic (for Mariya Shidō, Shizu Shidō, and Miki Miyamae)
  • Kämpfer (for Vice-Chairman)
  • The Cleveland Show (for Lloyd Waterman)
  • Fight Ippatsu! Jūden-chan!!
  • Nyaruko: Crawling with Love
  • Monogatari
  • Archer (for Woodhouse)
  • Queen's Blade
  • Chu-Bra!!
  • Baka and Test
  • Durarara!!
  • Rainbow: Nisha Rokubō no Shichinin
  • The Betrayal Knows My Name
  • Mary Shelley's Frankenhole
  • Kuttsukiboshi
  • Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt
  • MM!
  • Squid Girl!
  • Tantei Opera Milky Holmes (for Mori Arty)
  • Togainu no Chi
  • Princess Jellyfish
  • Young Justice (some characters)
  • Yuri Seijin Naoko-san (for Hii-chan)
  • Wandering Son
  • Sekai-ichi Hatsukoi
  • Tiger & Bunny
  • Battle Girls: Time Paradox
  • Aria the Scarlet Ammo
  • YuruYuri (most characters)
  • Penguindrum
  • R-15
  • Crash Canyon
  • China, IL
  • Ben-To
  • Future Diary
  • Good Vibes
  • Allen Gregory
  • Symphogear
  • Bodacious Space Pirates
  • Brave 10
  • Inu x Boku SS
  • Gokujyo
  • Lupin the Third: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine
  • Jormungand
  • Brickleberry
  • Kamisama Kiss
  • From the New World
  • Psycho-Pass
  • Bravest Warriors
  • Hakkenden: Eight Dogs of the East
  • Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet
  • Attack on Titan (for Reiner Braun)
  • Yuyushiki
  • Kin-iro Mosaic
  • Gatchaman Crowds
  • Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya
  • RWBY (for Saphron and Terra Cotta-Arc)
  • Log Horizon
  • Samurai Flamenco
  • Steven Universe (for Rose Quartz)
  • Hamatora: The Animation
  • Sakura Trick (for Mitsuki Sonoda and Rina Sakai)
  • No-Rin
  • Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha
  • Riddle Story of Devil (for Eisuke Inukai)
  • The Kawai Complex Guide to Manors and Hostel Behavior
  • Inugami-san to Nekoyama-san (for Tamaki Nekoyama)
  • Is the Order a Rabbit?
  • Knights of Sidonia
  • Clarence
  • Dramatical Murder
  • Sabagebu!
  • Akame ga Kill!
  • Love Stage!!
  • BoJack Horseman (most of the characters)
  • Gugure! Kokkuri-san
  • Cross Ange
  • The Seven Deadly Sins
  • Mike Tyson Mysteries
  • Hybrid Child
  • Yurikuma Arashi (most characters)
  • Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?
  • Mikagura School Suite
  • Gate (some characters)
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
  • One-Punch Man
  • Valkyrie Drive: Mermaid
  • Dawn of the Croods
  • Haruchika
  • My Hero Academia
  • Super Lovers
  • Anne Happy
  • Kiznaiver
  • The Loud House (for Luna Loud and Sam Sharp)
  • Voltron: Legendary Defender
  • The High School Life of a Fudanshi
  • Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak High School (for Juzo Sakakura)
  • Prisoner Zero
  • Magical Girl Raising Project
  • Nanbaka
  • Yuri on Ice (for Viktor Nikiforov and Yūri Katsuki)
  • Kiss Him, Not Me
  • Drifters
  • Fuuka
  • Spiritpact
  • Scum's Wish
  • Love Tyrant
  • Hinako Note
  • Kado: The Right Answer
  • Seven Mortal Sins
  • Hina Logi: From Luck & Logic
  • Kakegurui – Compulsive Gambler
  • Love and Lies
  • NTR: Netsuzou Trap
  • Altair: A Record of Battles
  • Hitorijime My Hero
  • A Centaur's Life
  • UQ Holder!
  • Big Mouth (most characters)
  • Land of the Lustrous
  • Ms. Koizumi Loves Ramen Noodles
  • Devilman Crybaby
  • Citrus (most characters)
  • Slow Start
  • Hakata Tonkotsu Ramens (for Jiro)
  • Darling in the Franxx (for Nines)
  • Killing Bites
  • Nomad of Nowhere
  • Magical Girl Ore
  • Lupin the Third Part V
  • Tachibanakan Triangle
  • Comic Girls
  • Magical Girl Site
  • Devils' Line
  • Cutie Honey Universe
  • Big City Greens
  • Back Street Girls
  • Banana Fish (for "Papa" Dino Golzine)
  • Miss Caretaker of Sunohara-sou
  • Chio's School Road
  • Mo Dao Zu Shi
  • Dropkick on My Devil!
  • Shoujo☆Kageki Revue Starlight
  • Paradise PD
  • The Dragon Prince (for Queens of Duren)
  • Bloom Into You (for Yuu Koito, Touko Nanami)
  • Our Maid is Way Too Annoying!
  • Boarding School Juliet
  • Dakaretai Otoko 1-i ni Odosarete Imasu.
  • Anima Yell!
  • Million Arthur
  • Super Drags
  • Domestic Girlfriend
  • Endro!
  • Love, Death & Robots
  • RobiHachi
  • Carole & Tuesday
  • Sarazanmai
  • Bug Diaries
  • Tuca & Bertie
  • Demon Lord, Retry!
  • Wasteful Days of High School Girls
  • O Maidens in Your Savage Season
  • Given
  • Twelve Forever (some characters)
  • Stars Align

I'll try to add stuff for Puni Puni Poemy and Astra Lost in Space soon, since I just watched both anime. Historyday01 (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Due to the disruptive edit by a meddling Wikipedian, the following anime also do not currently have sources:

  • 'Konohana Kitan'
  • 'No.6'
  • 'YuruYuri'
  • 'Sweet Blue Flowers' (for Chizu Hanashiro)
  • 'Nabari no Ou'
  • 'Miyuki-chan in Wonderland'

This is a setback, but I will do my best to still make this article better, despite annoying meddling. Historyday01 (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Updated above list, marking the ones I have gone through with strikethroughs.Historyday01 (talk) 21:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Please note there is a List of yuri anime and manga so please be wary that you're not creating a content fork. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:29, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for letting me know about that. I'll do my best to not create a content fork and may add the other information there instead. Regardless, if the anime entries are going to stay on this page, then perhaps someone should read a book like The Anime Encyclopedia, 3rd Revised Edition: A Century of Japanese Animation and update the page accordingly. My hope is that a book like that would have adequate sources rather than just citing the Anime News Network all the time, which doesn't always note LGBTQ+ relationships in the descriptions of series. Historyday01 (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Remove classification column

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This isn't done with other Lists, so why does it need to be expressed here? Also it would be original research to pick a particular term which may not even have been coined yet for older programs. Details can be put in the Notes column. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Good point. The classification is listed on List of animated films with LGBT characters but not on List of LGBT-related films by year (from what I can tell), or List of yuri anime and manga. Maybe we should put genre in that column instead, like if its yuri or yuoi for example? Then, if we wanted to split the page, it could be done into something like "List of yuri anime with LGBT characters" and "List of yuoi anime with LGBT characters," while perhaps keeping the rest here. That's at least my idea. Historyday01 (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Keep classification, at least in my opinion. LGBT is a group of various things. I think the classification column helps finding each group of characters, in part by using autosort or search function. Plus the "notes" column are currently pretty detailed instead of the straightforward "lesbian", "bisexual", etc. phrases. If we deleted the classification column, chances are some "notes" cells would need to have that basic information anyway, like saying "Character X is lesbian", "Character Y is gay".
As an alternative idea, we could split (or maybe duplicate?) this page into List of lesbian characters in animated series, List of bisexual characters in animated series, List of transgender women in animated series, and so on, since this is a rather large page and this would help find each classification separately.
A different idea would be having List of LGBT characters in anime, which was discussed before. Unfortunately List of yuri anime with LGBT characters seems a bit redundant with that specific wording, because every yuri anime has lesbian characters and therefore has LGBT characters. But I think I see what you mean. If I'm not mistaken, the general idea with that could be worded as List of LGBT characters in yuri anime. Another idea, a bit more specific, would be List of lesbian characters in yuri anime. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 07:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Hmm, that does seem like a good idea. I'm not for getting rid of the classification column anymore. I think something like List of lesbian characters in animated series, List of bisexual characters in animated series, List of transgender women in animated series could work better than List of LGBT characters in anime, as getting into classifications of yuri or yuoi could be a bit contested, as whether an anime falls into those categories can be continually debated, although organizing them as "animated series" is pretty broad. If we did that, at its current method, then there would be, by my count, which might be a little off. These are just hypothetical pages, and do not have to be created into actual pages, I'm just going off your idea:
There are also two series which have no characters defined, just that they have "LGBTQ", "LGBTQ+", or "multiple" characters that fall into these categories (specifically The Dragon Prince, Q-Force (due to the fact it hasn't aired yet), Danger & Eggs, and Young Justice).
The above list is a bit complicated by the fact that some characters fall into multiple categories, making the classifications for those characters a bit unworkable, although it works well for other characters, which could lead to duplicate listings across various possible pages, although that is probably ok. Due to the low number categorized as drag queens, asexual characters, trans men, intersex characters, or non-binary characters, maybe they could all put on one page together? Not sure what to do about that.
These are only my thoughts, and I'd love to hear yours.Historyday01 (talk) 17:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for counting. I think creating separate pages like these would be a good idea. At least the biggest ones like List of lesbian characters in animated series seem definitely notable.
Arguably, maybe we could create even the small pages like List of drag queens in animated series with just 4 rows. I'm not sure if that would be a problem. But if we don't want any small lists like that, then yes, I think they can probably be kept in the same page.
The article Non-binary gender states at the beginning that "non-binary" and "genderqueer" have the same meaning. If that is accurate, then I suppose we only need List of non-binary characters in animated series. All characters currently classified as genderqueer or non-binary can be listed there.
List of animated series with LGBT characters currently has 327,543 bytes and is the entry #356 in Special:LongPages, so splitting it into separate pages would be an improvement in my opinion. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
I mean, you are right, we could create small pages like that, sure. I wouldn't mind putting together non-binary and genderqueer together. I also think splitting this page into various pages is definitely an improvement, I agree.Historyday01 (talk) 02:15, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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