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Spelling of author's name

There is a matter of contention regarding the international spelling of the author's name on this page. While we acknowledge that Kim Hyesun is a viable way of translating the name into other languages, the preferred international name used in translation (by the poet and her publishers) is Kim Hyesoon. All of her published work in numerous languages uses this spelling, and the poet herself does as well.

Changing an internationally renowned poet's name creates confusion when searching for her work, and mixes her together with other people. The Wikipedia page should reflect the most common way in which the poet's name is spelled and used.

The page should be edited to reflect this. 10TAL (talk) 19:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore, there are no known instances of the poet's name being spelled Kim Hyesun internationally, and any attempt to use this spelling should have to supply sources to support why her name should be changed. Up until recently, this page has always used the spelling Kim Hyesoon. 10TAL (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Spacestationtrustfund, who moved the page from Kim Hyesoon to Kim Hyesun (poet) on July 16. It is unclear why you moved the page. In addition to the spelling issue, there do not seem to be any other Kim Hyesuns in Wikipedia, making the (poet) an unnecessary disambiguation. Also pinging Serols, who has reverted attempts to fix the spelling 4 times in 24 hours. Serols, please explain why your reverts aren't against the 3 revert rule. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Kim Hye-sun currently redirects to Kim Hyeseon, which is why I'd added the specification. My reasoning behind changing Kim Hyesoon to Kim Hyesun was that "Hyesun" is the Revised Romanisation form of the name, which is the standard in South Korea; I personally think it's best to use the country's standard form of romanisation (unless doing so would be unreasonably confusing -- Yi Sang's name isn't I Sang, for example, because "I" would be read as a first-person singular pronoun by English-speakers, not a transliterated Korean surname, although "I Sang" *is* the correct form in the RR system). I'd think it would make the most sense (and would be the most culturally sensitive, to be frank) to be consistent about romanisation, and default to the standard system when possible. Both the McCune-Reischauer and RR systems have "Hyesun" and "Hye-sun," respectively. It seems to me that there has to be *some* standard, not just using whatever's most common... Side note, I was planning to clean up the actual text of the article sometime soon anyway, since it's a bit of a mess right now.

I'm not associated with Serols in any way; I don't know them, and I don't know why they were messing with the spelling -- I don't condone that. You *do* have a point about the fact that the poet's name is spelled "Hyesoon" more frequently, though, so even if I think it's not the most *accurate* romanisation, obviously I don't speak on behalf of all Korean speakers, much less the poet herself. Sigh. — Spacestationtrustfund (talk) 20:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Spacestationtrustfund, the relevant policy language is located at WP:COMMONNAME, which says that Wikipedia generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). The fact of the matter is that essentially all of the reliable English language sources use the "Hyesoon" spelling, as does the poet herself. Cullen328 (talk) 20:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm aware of the policy, thank you; I disagree with its application, but I already acknowledged that there was no point in arguing. I also don't think this is the place for a discussion about how English speakers and English-language sources should treat foreign names, although it's pretty obvious that I think using the language's official romanisation system is preferable. Spacestationtrustfund (talk) 20:47, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Spacestationtrustfund, we are discussing one article here, and I do not think that it is "culturally sensitive" to use an English spelling different from what she uses, that her English language publishers use and that academics and reviewers use when writing about her in English. Cullen328 (talk) 21:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

You were the one who mentioned the overall policy, man, I was just thinking of the "generally." Spacestationtrustfund (talk) 21:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

The poet herself wants to use Kim Hyesoon. Please don't apply Romanization rules to people's names when they themselves spell it a certain way. Source: https://kln.or.kr/frames/interviewsView.do?bbsIdx=387 211.178.175.51 (talk) 01:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I've restored the page name. I'm not seeing sufficient support for Spacestationtrustfund's position. The subject herself says it is wrong. gobonobo ^{+ c} 05:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that the move is clearly a controversial one, so even if there *were* some support for Spacestationtrustfund's position, that *still* wouldn't be sufficient to move the article. You would have to start by following the steps at WP:RM#CM for controversial moves, and then attempt to get a clear consensus here on the Talk page, before performing a move. That hasn't happened yet, so the original name must stand, at least for now. Mathglot (talk) 10:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Someone spelled my name wrong.

I have never used my author name as Kim Hyesun before. All of my book has published under Kim Hyesoon. Hope it could be fixed soon.

www.poetkimhyesoon.com Kim hyesoon (talk) 03:25, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kim hyesoon:, please see the section above this one. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 10:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)