Talk:John Paulk

Fired or Left?

The section labeled "Controversy" says this: "The incident received national headlines in newspapers and news magazines. Paulk remained in his position as manager of the Homosexuality and Gender Department until choosing to leave that position in 2003."

However, it says in the introduction of the article that Paulk was "removed" from those positions of leadership (in Exodus, as well as Love Won Out) because he was caught in a gay bar called "Mr P's." Both cannot be true, so this needs to be rectified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.226.142 (talk) 16:34, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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Betty Bowers is a parody website -- can we be sure that image wasn't photoshopped?

Added material from "Exodus International" to "John Paulk" under "controversy"

In an effort to tighten up the Exodus International article, I moved most of the detailed material concerning Mr. Paulk from Exodus to this article (John Paulk). I also removed some of the uncited material that was previously under the section marked "controversy", and replaced it with a more verifiable source. There are still a few statements (made prior to my work on Exodus International) that need citations. If not verified within a month or so, please do remove them. Caryn LeMur (talk) 19:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 17:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Christianity and orientation

Are Paulk and his wife both Christians now? If so, which denomination? Are they still both ex-gay? Are they active in the church and the ex-gay movement? Alfred Kinsey (talk) 12:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

POV

Several parts of this article are POV, and by looking through previous versions of the article, I can tell that it has seen been changed. For example, the article reads: His overcoming of homosexuality is the subject of his autobiography Not Afraid to Change. The article reads like ex-gay propaganda, and violates Wikipedia:Fringe theories. Camillex555 (talk) 13:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Exposed as fraud..AGAIN! (December 2012)

http://www.truthwinsout.org/news/2012/12/32488/ Surprise, surprise. --76.105.145.143 (talk) 09:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Removed dead links

I have removed the following dead links from the article, but I do not want them to disappear into the ether because they are part of Paulk's life and fact patterns.

1) *[http://www.anotherway.com/pages/john.html Another Way Out] John Paulk's autobiography
2) *[http://www.family.org/welcome/press/a0025556.cfm "John Paulk Eyes New Ministry Opportunity"]

Sjkoblentz (talk) 22:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

John Paulk editing

An editor without a user account, claiming in edit summaries, recently did some extensive editing on this article, which has since been reverted. Since he is unlikely to check the IP talk page, I am addressing him here, with hops that he will see it and be able to address concerns.

Mr. Paulk (assuming that is indeed you), I appreciate your attempt to improve Wikipedia. We're always in favor of improving our articles! However, your specific edits run into certain concerns.

• You added material on your more recent efforts, and we would certainly love to have a clear picture of your current status in the article. However, particularly for articles about still-living people, we place emphasis on making sure that the material is verifiable and comes from a reliable source. I'm sure you think "well, what could be a more reliable source than me?", but
  1. We cannot count on an anonymous poster being who he is
  2. What you say is not "verifiable", there is no reasonable way for someone reading the article to check that it is something you've claimed, as opposed to material that is in, say, a magazine article
  3. We assume people are reliable only for things that aren't boastful or likely to benefit them. If I say I'm 5'8", that's not something I'm apt to lie about, so something I write can be cited for that, but if I say I can bench-press 800 pounds, I'm not reliable for that.
• You removed a large chunk of sourced material on matters that were highly covered in the press. As uncomfortable as some of those matters may be, they are important to telling the full story, not just of you but of the ex-gay movement. (And as a side note, I think that having them visible serves your current goals, as an example of the levels of denial built into the groups pushing for ex-gayness.)
• You removed various details that make clear specifics of your former involvement in the ex-gay cause.

We actually highly discourage people from editing articles about themselves, as you can see in our guidelines on conflicts of interest. That doesn't mean that you cannot help in improving this article in various ways. Some suggestions are:

• If you know of any reliable sources, such as magazine and newspaper articles, that cover material that our article is missing and you think it should have, post links to those materials here on the talk page..
• If there are things about you and what you are currently doing, particularly things that aren't particularly boastful, post that information on a blog or other web presence that you may have and that can be clearly identified as yours. Then post a link to that information here on this talk page.
• If there is information that is inaccurate in our article, or other specific things that you think should be changed, post about that here on this talk page, so that we can evaluate your statements and the sources we have, and see if we can arrive at a more accurate and balanced article.

There are a number of editors who watch for changes to this talk page and should be able to consider such changes. That doesn't mean that you'll always get what you want, but that is your best path. Let me know if you have any questions! --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

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