Talk:Jesse James (television personality)

Correction: He was born Gregory Jesse James. His mom still calls him Greg. I’d ask for a birth certificate but if he can have Pink Slips of Salvaged cars fixed then I’m sure he can get a new birth certificate. Ask his mom what she calls him. She probably still lives on Hackett Street in Lakewood, California. Ask Karla. Hahaha she’ll straighten it out

Date of birth

birthday according to information on imdb is April 19, 2204304

Trivia integrated

Trivia Section Integrated - mods please delete messages about such. -- Hurricanefloyd 23:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC) Trivia section reinstated - It looked like it was part of the "woman attacks jesse james" section.Scoresheet 08:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Infobox

Should the info box not also have details of his first two marriages as referred to in the article's text? --ukexpat 00:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Pro-anti?

what is that "pro-anti" sticker in the picture? is it a company or slogan or what? Swatoa 15:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Economics not right

• The article claims production of 12-14 custom choppers per YEAR with a workforce of 50 people. That cannot be a profitable venture. For this company to be profitable, it has to generate about 100k per employee, in other words, about 2 choppers built per employee and year. Hence, total production should be 100+. Therefore, likely the article meant 12-14 bikes per month (about 150 per year).

November 17, 2008

• • The bikes are most likely a very small part of his buisness, parts like fenders, frames, gas tanks, oil tanks, foot controls, hand controls as well as merchandise are most likely the main source of income for WCC theese days... Roger Workman (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

• And the history of motorcycles is littered with companies that sold motorcycles for less money than it cost to make them. Some of them somehow hung on for several years before going bankrupt. So perhaps Mr. James is making a terrible mistake; time will tell.--Dbratland (talk) 17:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Jesse could easily do it with selling merchandise. after all dress designers lose money on dresses, but make it up on perfume sales. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.156.208.3 (talk) 03:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Outlaw ancestry?

Have I just dreamt this or is he a decendant of the outlaw Jesse James? And most importantly - is that information then wiki worthy material? 213.114.38.60 (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Jesse G. James brings it up constantly. He says it's the reason he puts 9 mm and 44 magnum shell casings on the gas caps of his choppers (even though they didn't have 9mm and 44 mag in the 19th century but close enough I guess). Almost any story you read about West Coast Choppers or Jesse G. James will mention that James claims to be a descendant of the famous outlaw. I'm not aware of anybody researching the birth records or anything, but most reports only say James claims to be a descendant, not that he is a descendant.

The fact that numerous reputable publications choose to relay this information whenever they cover the subject means that Wikipedia should reflect that. If the media ignored it, then WP would probably ignore it too, but they don't so WP doesn't.

In my opinion, the reason journalists include the fact is that it gives insight into Jesse G. James: how he fancies himself an anti-hero and he works hard to market that image to the public. In the biker world, the old west outlaw is a powerful metaphor and role model, and it serves James well. --Dbratland (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I just got back from the Jesse James farm in Kearney, Missouri. They said they have repeatedly offered to research an ancestry chart for him but has ignored the offer. According to various web sites Jesse G. claims that he was related to a "cousin." The outlaw's grandchildren were all girls and his name was not transmitted via that line. Americasroof (talk) 04:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

From my understanding of Jesse G. James' public image, he would never want to cooperate with any of these formal organizations. He doesn't want official recognition and legitimacy. He wants to be perceived as an outlaw who doesn't care what anyone says about him. Fortunately, it is not Wikipedia's job to resolve disputes, only to report what each side said. --Dbratland (talk) 16:11, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

For someone who chooses not to investigate his ancestry, he bears a startling resemblance to his ancestor. He could be his brother. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

James Preservation Trust and ericjames.org

Can anyone point out where on the website http://www.ericjames.org/ it mentions Jesse G. James and the assertion that he has refused their requests for proof that he is a descendant of the Jesse James? It seems to be a poorly designed, Flash-heavy website that is not easy to find specific documents on. I couldn't find this issue mentioned in any third party sources either. --Dbratland (talk) 03:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Response re Query about The James Preservation Trust & ericjames.org

Dbratland: It appears you only viewed the flash entry to the web site, and did not enter the web site to view its contents. You will find what you're looking for on the following web pages: http://www.ericjames.org/Contents_for_James_Genealogy.html/

http://www.ericjames.org/Jesse%20G%20James/index.html

http://ericjames.org/wordpress/

http://www.ericjames.org/Meet_Phil_Stewart.html/

Also see:

http://www.landspeedproductions.biz/jesse-james-false-claims-of-world-recor.html

If you also look in the SURNAMES genealogy database on the James family's web site, that has all the known relatives of the outlaw Jesse Woodson James, you will note that no reference to Jesse Gregory James exists among them. None exists because Jesse Gregory James is not a relative of the outlaw.

Furthermore, if you review the postings on Wikipedia made by The James Preservation Trust, you will note they are representative of the interests of the family of Jesse Woodson James, and have been widely accepted on Wikipedia as a reputable authority.

THE JAMES PRESERVATION TRUST—Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesPreservationTrust (talk • contribs) 23:49, 9 February 2010

The information I posted last week seems to basically be what the James Family Trust says. I googled the Eric James http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=eric+james+jesse+james&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= and it would appear that the James Preservation Trust would be a reliable source. So Jesse's G's claim and the James Family Trust claim should in fact be included in the article.Americasroof (talk) 16:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Rename

"Adding middle names, or their abbreviations, merely for disambiguation purposes (that is: if this format of the name is not the commonly used one to refer to this person) is not advised." –WP:NCP. 'G' is most certainly never used when referring to him. I've moved the page from Jesse G. James back to Jesse James (television personality). –Scarce ✉ 14:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Move

I suggest moving the page to "Jesse James (customizer)", because he's better known for that than for just being a TV guy (like, say, Alex Trebek or Jim Perry). TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 20:26, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I would actually suggest he is better known for being a tv personality than anything else. While yes, what he did was customizing on TV. Its the fact that he was on TV that has conferred his notability. -DJSasso (talk) 12:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

This does not seem like a good move. First of all is "customizer" a real word? Is it the most descriptive word to set this Jesse James apart? Could we use "philanderer"? That was a joke. I would suggest some association with TV is the most relevant descriptor.|► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 14:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

West Coast Choppers was founded as a t-shirt company, which later began making choppers, as advertisements for the t-shirts. The choppers themselves do not make a profit. The TV shows are also a means of promoting the licensed merchandise and the three or four lines of clothing that Jesse James sells. This is all cited in West Coast Choppers.

Calling him a customizer is a little like calling Coco Chanel a seamstress or calling Martha Stewart a homemaker. He's really a marketer in the business of branding himself. His primary business is in the clothing industry, and his secondary lines are in various tie-in products, and he uses TV appearances and custom motorcycles to advertise his main product lines. The descriptor should reflect that. I think James deserves respect for being so successful at what he does, but it's silly to not recognize what that is that he does. --Dbratland (talk) 16:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

please add his imdb link. thanks.--24.109.218.211 (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Done.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 19:43, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Please add a link to the spanish version (es:Jesse G. James). Thanks. --80.38.206.115 (talk) 14:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 15:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request - there is a sentence in the personal life section which refers to Jesse James being a nazi scumbag - as this is blatantly a personal opinion and not relevant to a wikipedia entry —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puffin81 (talk • contribs) 10:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Dej323, 31 March 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Remove the Adolf Asshole from information box and Hitler from Jesse James' name. Dej323 (talk) 11:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Done Thanks! --JokerXtreme (talk) 11:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

background

Jesse James used his bicycle as a boy to escape his homelife and graduated to a Harley Sprint as his first motorcycle once he reached legal riding age. He played linebacker in high school football, and made All-State and was heavily recruited by Division I-A colleges. But he also ran with a bad crowd, stealing cars and robbing a safe from a fast-food restaurant. He was sent to juvenile detention hall and completed his high school diploma during summer school. He red-shirted on the football team at Riverside Community College, but later injured his knee, ending his football playing career. He pursued his other passion of motorcycle-customization, literally starting as a household garage-based business.

James regards his experience of detention for juvenile delinquency as a turning point that offered him a second chance in life. As such, he has returned as a motivational speaker to detainees in the same juvenile hall to which he had been sentenced, and he has hired young kids in his shop to teach them useful industrial arts skills to keep them out of the sort of trouble he got into as a teenager.

All these facts are from Bill Vaughn, "American Badass", Men's Journal, October 2006, pp.83-86. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.239.100.77 (talk) 06:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Jesse James Workwear Shirts

I think Jesse James has more business ventures and I was wondering if someone could take a look into this site: http://www.jessejamesworkwear.com

Wal-Mart was offering some very high quality industrial shirts (Jesse James shirts) for $2 so I bought a few. I was thinking they were so cheap because of how his reputation is now and they wanted to get his name out of the store. They are very nice shirts but I am not entirely sure if Jesse James owns them.Wickland (talk) 19:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

See West Coast Choppers. There are 5 lines of clothing, two of them at Wal-Mart. --Dbratland (talk) 20:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Michelle "Bombshell" McGee

Michelle McGee redirects to this Jesse James page. I wonder if that makes sense? For one thing, they are no longer (as far as I can tell) involved with each other. It seems like she's notorious enough to desire her own page. Clemwang (talk) 17:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

If every "notorious" people deserved their own page, Wikipedia would lost his credibility. Seriously what has this girl do excepted sleep with James? What would you put on his page? You've got nothing. No movie list, no discography, no carreer. End of the story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.66.115.75 (talk) 07:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

She warrants at least a stub for her modeling work, it makes no sense redirecting from her name to an article of a person she once slept with (an article that doesn't even mention her at all, by the way). I would suggest either giving her a page, or removing the redirect altogether and just letting the search come up nil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.26.89.192 (talk) 18:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I just did a search for her not knowing who she was and came up with page that doesn't mention her at all. This is not good. She's a minor celebrity now and putting a few kilobytes of information about her on Wikipedia isn't going to diminish Wikipedia's "credibility" at all. Someone should get rid of the redirect or make a page for her. If I had the time I'd do the latter. Ingvar (talk) 17:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree completely - I attempted to look up "Bombshell" McGee after reading an article about her and Charlie Sheen, and was redirected to this page where she is not mentioned AT ALL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.51.162 (talk) 01:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Not at all sure why some amount of information about her in this article or elsewhere would have any effect on Wikipedia's credibility at all- whereas redirecting someone to an article promising some information about someone-- and _not providing it_-- does have that effect. I'm not sure how much clearer one can be about that... Schissel | Sound the Note! 07:11, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. So, everyone except an anon agrees, and yet six months later we still haven't fixed it. john k (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Nazism

There is significant enough outrage about his nazi salutes & nazi dress-ups that it should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.117.170.50 (talk) 18:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

American chopper

hi Jesse I've been watching American chopper for quite a long time and I watch the build off I want to know why you were the only one who showed up with the chopper a real chopper Paul Senior as always showed up with his mouth and Paul Junior showed up with some weird bike. How come neither one was on the same page as you. By far you had the real chopper. Sincerely Alf Anderson Palmdale California — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.251.66 (talk) 00:41, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Football

I deleted the insert ".University of California Riverside dropped football in 1975 when Jesse James was 6 years old. So this is a huge gaffe. They must have meant Long Beach State University; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Riverside_Highlanders_football" from Career. It is something that belongs on the talk page and not on the article, also the discovery bio verifies its UCR not LBSU.--DGP184.98.127.206 (talk) 02:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

My daughter is a current student @ UCR, yes have not had a football team since the 1970's James absolutely could not have ever played football for UCR no matter what the Discovery.com bio says/used to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.102.174 (talk) 02:25, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

McGee

There was a discussion about this in 2011 but obviously nothing was done about it. It is bad form and effects Wikipedia's credibility to put in a redirect under a person's name and then have absolutely no information on that person in the target article. Michelle McGee has had enough media coverage to justify a reference plus a link to a media article. The elitist and anti-adult-entertainment nature of Wikipedia makes it unlikely she'll rate her own article unless the New York Symphony performs an opera she composed, but at least include a reference to her if you're going to have a redirect. 70.72.215.252 (talk) 01:07, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:15, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request - title and disambiguation pages

Please revise his name line here and on the disambiguation page by removing "customizer" and substituting (in the text in brackets):

[Jesse James (Metal Fabricator)] on his bio page and [Jesse James (Metal Fabricator) (born 1969), Creates custom motorcycles and automobiles, also an American television personality] on the disambiguation page.

This is what he personally emphasizes about himself and is more technically and grammatically correct; "customizer" is not a profession and is ambiguous itself (customizes what?). I tried to do it myself but as of yet I cannot get the internal links/redirects to work correctly. Thank you for your time! --Ebdonaldson (talk) 02:38, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Probably it should be Jesse James (motorcycling). Many motorcycling people have careers that include racing, bike building, journalism, business and more. Using a generic term like (motorcycling) is best so we don't have to move the article every time the person starts a new motorcycling-related career endeavor. The only purpose is to distinguish from the other Jesse Jameses. It doesn't have to be terribly specific or exact. See WP:QUALIFIER. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:06, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

LOST BUILDERS

Two Broke Tramps is Still around though not recognized either. Customizing Bikes for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.196.178 (talk) 20:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Father

Larry James? Anyone? 75.172.30.86 (talk) 01:13, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Is this just an insult/rude bias snuck into the article?

In November 2013, Jesse James Firearms Unlimited unveiled its first two firearms, a 1911 pistol and AR-15 rifle. His first rifle-caliber suppressor was a basic reworking of an original Maxim design that he claimed could impossibly bend the laws of physics by offering a 78 dB rating at the muzzle

I cant find any quote of his that says it can "impossibly bend the laws of physics" making that line nothing more than a typical "haha funny" internet insult. Is that really something that should be on wikipedia unless it was what he said or there is another quote from a noteworthy person that criticize him by claiming his suppressor can achieve something impossible or similar. Really dont think that part should be there when it reads as if a redditor wrote it as a sarcastic remark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.174.105.134 (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 5 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is no consensus between "(television personality)" or a "(motorcycle builder)", but there is absolutely consensus that "(entrepreneur)" should be soundly rejected. Because of this rejection, we have to move to one of the suggested titles. Provisionally, "(television personality)" will be picked, but an additional RM can be opened later to choose between "television personality" and "motorcycle builder". (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

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Jesse James (entrepreneur) → Jesse James (television personality) – describes him better. mainly known for his television/media appearances -- FMSky (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:52, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 13:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

• He is notable as a motorcycle builder, and his current business venture is firearms, so "television personality" is probably not accurate. 162 etc. (talk) 16:16, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
  • I think 162 makes a very fair point. Is it correct to say that the main reason he's notable is because he's a motocycle builder? And are there other people with articles called Jesse James who're also entrepreneurs? Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
  • He also starred in a TV show about him "doing death-defying stunts", and was on Celebrity Apprentice, and was in a "skateboarding video game" and produced several television shows about various topics unrelated to entrepreneurship (something about Iraq, something about trying to break a land speed record, and something about the history of motorcycles). Even when featured on television shows about him operating businesses, his degree of personal success is arguably more a matter of the degree of success of the television shows rather than the degree of success of the businesses. But it might be worth having an RM discussion to sort this out further. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
  • I know that he does entrepreneurial stuff but he isn't notable for any of it, he is known to 99% of people for his television/media appearances --FMSky (talk) 14:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
• Move somewhere. "Entrepreneur" is a terrible disambiguator, as it's usually a puff term that people like to call themselves. We usually use "businessman" instead, but I'm not sure that's appropriate here. Jesse James (motorcycle builder) is probably most appropriate, as that's primarily what he's know for. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:16, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
  • no, that's what he does in his free time, not what he is known for to the general public --FMSky (talk) 18:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
    • That's not what the article says! Motorcycles seem to be the primary focus of his TV notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support: Some of his fame is about motorcycles and some of it is not – he's had a variety of pursuits (and personal life events) – and "entrepreneur" is an especially bad term when describing someone whose notability and income are more related to television shows than to business profits. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:14, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

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