Talk:Israel Border Police

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I edited the last paragraph to reflect the fact that the installation of agents in protests is not proven. There was also a line saying that convincing evidence shows that agents have summarily executed fugitives. There was no citation, so there is no convincing evidence. They remain accusations.

Mohamed Abu Tir

Should Mohamed Abu Tir be Muhammad Abu Tir? Jayvdb 12:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Article name

I think that the term should be "Israeli Border Guard" or "Border Guard of Israeli Police" since there is another unit in Israeli police called "Border Police" and it performs passport checks at border passes, and it's members wear blue uniform as they are part regular police. DimaY2K (talk) 07:38, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

     Not really. The article does not claim that Magavnikkim do passport control.  The Magav uniform  cap device is the same as that of the National Police. The shoulder tab says : "Mishteret Yisrael" = "Israel Police".
     In the USA also, passport control comes under a different agency (Immigration & Customs Enforcement agency of Dept of Homeland Security) than border security (Border Patrol agency of Dept of Justice)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.56.210.195 (talk) 12:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC) 

Infobox in this article

Wouldn't it make more sense to insert an infobox for military units or law enforcement agencies instead of the infobox about the State of Israel in this article? --Der rikkk (talk) 15:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yamas information

Where is this information from? I believe this portion needs citations and is probably not neutral in tone. Mc kevins (talk) 22:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Probably not neutral, indeed, as I write it looks like plain propaganda. This part of the article should be flagged as POV. Sensi.fr (talk) 11:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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Genuine Question

Why is this part of wiki project Palestine? IsraeliIdan (talk) 12:42, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Because border police shoot Palestinians.Nishidani (talk) 15:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Very much not a bullshit answer. Beyond that, as the first damn paragraph of this article says, While its main task is securing Israel's borders, it has also been deployed in assisting the Israel Defense Forces, and for counter-terrorism and law enforcement operations in the West Bank, as well as in Jerusalem.. nableezy - 17:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Genuine Question follow up

Hello fellow editors, I have a question I'd like a genuine answer for. If we're including Palestine we should be including other border countries No? Because this is an Israeli military unit. For example, other border police articles do not have wiki project mentions for their countries. Furthermore, if we do want to include border countries then we should include wiki projects, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon & Egypt Pinging @Number 57: because I want his opinion. IsraeliIdan (talk) 17:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The brief answer is, Israeli Border police do not operate within Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan. If they are active in the Golan Heights, yes, Syria wiki project would be valid.Nishidani (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I suppose it does feel annoying to see an Israeli public service on Palestine's project list. Placing it there is only for negative content concerning the unit. With that said, it is not going to help if this is removed. What can be done is to make sure the article deals mostly with the border police itself and not with its concern with Palestinians, since this is Wikipedia and not WikiOccupation as sometimes it might feel like (cause Israeli Wikipedians are too politically-motivated to truly be able to contribute to Israel-related articles without being banned or without giving up due to POV disputes. Pro-Palestinian editors on the other hand, enjoy the credibility of their sources.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 17:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Well said. Since our Zvikorn is younger than you, I think however it should be said that there are several (pro)Israeli wikipedians whose work here gives no cause for concern, and are in good standing, however some arsehole like myself might find myself in disagreements with them.Nishidani (talk) 17:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, no, its concern with Palestinians also needs to be included. nableezy - 18:01, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Stav's not disputing that, Nab. He's saying the article should focus on giving an outline of the IBP, origins, development, structure, operational remit etc. As usual, the tendency is, since this is what news outlets give, concentrate on their notorious brutality in the territories, but readers should, in an encyclopedia, be given a lot more institutional details of structure for such organizations, since that information's rarely available in English. That job however is something Israeli Hebrew sources provide amply, not something readily accessible to wretched dumb/dungignorant lunatics like you or me.Nishidani (talk) 18:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 April 2020

Could someone please remove this duplicated image? It's repeated here in the same article (right side).--Aroma Stylish (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done - QuadColour (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usage of two pictures

Good day

Under the category "Uniforms" are used two pictures that have nothing to do with the Border Police.

First is this one. Guy in the middle clearly wear epaulettes from the IDF. Actually his rank is Sgan aluf (Lieutenant colonel). Border Police men never would use the IDF rank as they use the police ranking system. For this reason the picture has no place there. Maybe you'd rather use this one instead? New Pic or this one..

Second is this here. Badges on their uniforms makes them to simple police men, so no border police also.

Other example for border police: New Pic or other new pic. According to the chest patch, they are members of Samag. Sorry no better pic found.

Pictures are from the official FB-Page of the Border Police, which means the pictures can be uploaded to Wikimedia using the Creative Commons license. If anyone wants to do that?

Ofra「עפרה」 03:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Minorities serving & some other changes

Its mentioned two times: At the beginning and again later under "Minorities serving"

The Israeli Border Police is renowned for including many soldiers from minority backgrounds, being a particularly popular choice with Druze recruits, but also includes many soldiers from Circassian, Arab Christian and Bedouin background.[1]

I don't think this text needs twice

--Ofra「עפרה」 03:21, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Edit:

Please also ad the new chief.

• Yaakov Shabtai (2016 - 2021) Currently serves as the police commissioner.
• Amir Cohen (Current from February 2021)

Transportation:

The pictures from the cars are under "Memorial"

They need to move up under the right tab "Transportation".

If you want, also add the SandCat

Ofra「עפרה」 23:35, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Can it be called "paramilitary"?

... since it's officially part of the police force, but is in fact a military unit? Arminden (talk) 23:36, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

List of new sources that I can't add (so please do)

I do not have the permissions required to edit this article, and thus add citations, so here are a bunch for whoever can add:

Under History:

There are 7212 members as of 2019, going by official report:https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/police_statistical_abstract_2019/he/%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%A0%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%9F%20%D7%94%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%99%20%D7%A9%D7%9C%20%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%AA%20%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%20%D7%9C%D7%A9%D7%A0%D7%AA%202019.pdf

Source for Israel's Border Patrol participation in the Israeli disengagement from Gaza: https://web.archive.org/web/20160314142026/https://news.walla.co.il/item/684644

Under Structure:

Yamas - Source for them being subordinate to the Shabak (i.e. the Shin Bet): https://www.mako.co.il/pzm-units/border-guard/Article-5d0d7a921433231006.htm

Amit P Rubin (talk) 21:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC)