Talk:Girish Jhunjhnuwala

Hagiographic Puffery

An editor with a conflict of interest is adding back unreferenced hagiographic puffery, namely "Philanthropy and community service not only ground Girish but are the foundations of business philosophy – handed down to Girish from his father, and followed by all members of the Jhunjhnuwala family. Throughout the company’s history, Girish has made numerous strides to volunteer and encourage those around him to support a range of community activities to help the disadvantaged and sponsor events that are for the better of society." This content has absolutely no place in a neutral Wikipedia article and is more suited to their own website. Please stop adding it. Theroadislong (talk) 09:19, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Notability of Girish Jhunjhnuwala and updates to links

Hi there, I'm a member of the team representing Girish Jhunjhnuwala, so connected to the subject and understand I cannot directly make updates to his profile.

I see the note saying he may not fit notability guidelines, but I think he does now as he's been featured in a number of highly respected publications including the cover of Entrepreneur in India. Please let me know if you agree and would be hoping to update his profile.

Additional features include the below highly ranked sites.

I'm new to this collaboration, so please forgive me if I'm not adequately following appropriate formalities. I truly respect and value Wikipedia and everything the volunteers are doing to offer us respectable research-based information.

--Youngkry (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Some proposed changes

Information to be added or removed:

Extended content

Request you to please make the following changes in the infobox: 1. In the infobox, change occupation from 'Hotelier and Businessman' to only 'Hotelier' 2. In the infobox, change the title from 'Chairman and CEO' to 'Founder and CEO' 3. In the infobox, add names of children (in list format) - Avni Jhunjhnuwala, Avisha Jhunjhnuwala, Shivang Jhunjhnuwala Request you to please make the following changes in the lead paragraph: Change from: Girish Jhunjhnuwala (born 1963) is the founder of Ovolo Group, an independent hotel brand headquartered in Hong Kong, and Chairman of Hind Group. Change to: Girish Jhunjhnuwala (born 1963) is an Indian hotelier based in Hong Kong. He is the founder of Ovolo Group, an independent hotel group headquartered in Hong Kong, and the Chairman of Hind Group of Companies. Request you to please make the following changes in the second section: 1. Change the title from 'Biography' to 'Education and career' 2. In the second paragraph of this section, please change from: He began his career managing his family's OEM watch business under the Hind Group in Hong Kong. He set up watch factories across the Chinese border and did well until 1998, the midst of the Southeast Asian financial crisis. In 2002, he sold the business and ventured into property development after acquiring an office complex in Hong Kong's Central business district. Girish decided to develop this building into the first Ovolo serviced apartment. After proving the concept, Jhunjhnuwala acquired more properties and continued expanding the Ovolo Hotels brand. change to: Jhunjhnuwala began his career by managing his family's OEM watch business under the Hind Group of Companies. In 2000, he downsized the business, selling it in 2002, in the midst of the Southeast Asian financial crisis. In September 2002, he ventured into property development and acquired an office building in Hong Kong's Central business district. Jhunjhnuwala converted this building into a serviced apartment, acquiring more properties with time and expanding the Ovolo Hotels brand. He owns four hotels in Hong Kong, and six hotels in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, and Canberra. 3. Request you to please add the following lines at the end of this section In 2017, Jhunjhnuwala created and launched another hospitality brand in Hong Kong called Mojo Nomad, a micro hotel concept with co-working space and both shared and private rooms. Jhunjhnuwala is also a shareholder of Shalimar Paints Ltd., a publicly listed company in India. He is an active member of the Young Presidents' Organization (YPO). Request you to please add a section on Awards and Personal life: Awards 2018 HM Magazine Asia-Pacific Hotelier of the Year 2016 Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year China Country Winner 2015 Hotels World Deal of the Year Award 2012 Owner-Operator of the Year – DHL/SCMP Hong Kong Business Awards Personal life Jhunjhnuwala is married to Sarika Jhunjhnuwala, a restaurateur. Together, the couple has three children - daughters Avni and Avisha, and son Shivang. Explanation of issue: In the infobox, the requested changes are related to the change in his designation and role. In the lead paragraph, I have added his nationality and occupation for a comprehensive approach. In the second section, please change the title from 'Biography' to 'Education and career' as it is more apt for the content of the section. The second paragraph of this section is re-worded to remove puffery and updated information is added in the last lines. He has won more awards so I request a separate section for his awards and a separate section on his personal life. References supporting change: I have included all references in the text above. References

This is a paid edit, please find below the disclosure

103.57.71.189 (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Reply 7-MAR-2019

Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request.  Spintendo  18:45, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Proposal review 7-MAR-2019

In the infobox, change occupation from 'Hotelier and Businessman' to only 'Hotelier'  Approved. In the infobox, change the title from 'Chairman and CEO' to 'Founder and CEO'  Approved. In the infobox, add names of children (in list format) - Avni Jhunjhnuwala, Avisha Jhunjhnuwala, Shivang Jhunjhnuwala  Declined. Girish Jhunjhnuwala (born 1963) is an Indian hotelier based in Hong Kong. He is the founder of Ovolo Group, an independent hotel group headquartered in Hong Kong, and the Chairman of Hind Group of Companies.  Approved. Jhunjhnuwala began his career by managing his family's OEM watch business under the Hind Group of Companies.  Already done. In 2000, he downsized the business, selling it in 2002 Clarification needed. in the midst of the Southeast Asian financial crisis.  Declined. In September 2002, he ventured into property development and acquired an office building in Hong Kong's Central business district.  Already done. Jhunjhnuwala converted this building into a serviced apartment  Already done. acquiring more properties with time and expanding the Ovolo Hotels brand.  Declined. He owns four hotels in Hong Kong, and six hotels in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, and Canberra. Clarification needed. In 2017, Jhunjhnuwala created and launched another hospitality brand in Hong Kong called Mojo Nomad, a micro hotel concept with co-working space and both shared and private rooms. Clarification needed. Jhunjhnuwala is also a shareholder of Shalimar Paints Ltd., a publicly listed company in India.  Declined. He is an active member of the Young Presidents' Organization (YPO).  Declined. Request you to please add a section on Awards and Personal life.  Declined. Jhunjhnuwala is married to Sarika Jhunjhnuwala, a restaurateur. Together, the couple has three children  Approved. - daughters Avni and Avisha, and son Shivang.  Declined. ___________

Response for clarification needed

Information to be added or removed:

1. Clarification for Note 2 - In the 'Biography' section, request you to please change

From: In 2002, he sold the business and ventured into property development after acquiring an office complex in Hong Kong's Central business district.

To: In 2000, he downsized his watch business and sold it in 2002 to venture into property development after acquiring an office complex in Hong Kong's Central business district.

Reply 4-APR-2019

 Already done
This claim is already in the article.

 Spintendo  13:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

2. Clarification for Note 6 - As requested, the names of the hotels are: In Hong Kong, it is Ovolo Southside, Ovolo Central, Mojo Nomad Aberdeen and Mojo Nomad Central; In Sydney it is Ovolo 1888 Darling Harbour and Ovolo Woolloomooloo; In Melbourne it is Ovolo Laneways; In Brisbane it is Ovolo Inchcolm and Ovolo The Valley and in Canberra it is Ovolo Nishi.

Reply 4-APR-2019

Not done
This claim is not referenced. Please note, references which may have been included in a previous edit request are missing with this edit request. Please ensure that references are kept with their claim statements each time a request is made.

 Spintendo  13:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

3. Clarification for Note 7 - In the 'Biography' section, request you to please add

In 2018, Jhunjhnuwala opened another hospitality brand in Hong Kong called Mojo Nomad. Jhunjhnuwala is a shareholder of Shalimar Paints Ltd., a publicly listed company in India. (For your reference only: His name also appears on the key people list on Shalimar Paints Wikipedia page.) He is an active member of Hong Kong Young Presidents Organization. (For your reference only: Young Presidents Organization is notable as it has a page on Wikipedia.)

Reply 4-APR-2019

Not done

1. Mojo Nomad is not independently notable in Wikipedia.
2. The claim of Jhunjhunwalas' involvement in Shalimar Paints is not referenced in the Shalimar Paints article.
3. The Young Presidents Organization is independently notable in Wikipedia, but the subject is not listed there.
   
    Spintendo  13:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

6. Clarification for Note 10 - Request you to please add an 'Awards' section: These two awards are notable and reliable industry awards.

• 2018 HM Magazine Asia-Pacific Hotelier of the Year
• 2016 Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year China Country Winner

Reply 4-APR-2019

Not done
Please provide the WikiLinks of these awards.

 Spintendo  13:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Explanation of issue: I have addressed all the pointers that required clarification suggested by @Spintendo:. I have given references and citations wherever required. I sincerely request you to please remove the following tags as I have provided additional citations for verification. Citations such as Entrepreneur, Forbes, The Standard are significantly detailed stories about him.

• The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. (August 2017)
• This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. (March 2019)

References supporting change: I have included all references in the text above.--At My Unicorn Party (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Reply 4-APR-2019

  Please consult assigning editor  

• It is recommended that, as a courtesy, you first try asking the editors who assigned the templates in order to find out from them if they can be removed. Since they placed the templates, they are in the best positions to know whether or not the issues which caused their placement have been corrected. In the event that you are unable to reach the contributing editors, please reopen the request.
  
   Spintendo  13:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

References

Request edit

Information to be added or removed:

1. In the 'Biography' section, please add:

He owns four hotels in Hong Kong, and six hotels in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, and Canberra. (As requested by you earlier, the names of the hotels are in Hong Kong, it is Ovolo Southside, Ovolo Central, Mojo Nomad Aberdeen and Mojo Nomad Central; In Sydney it is Ovolo 1888 Darling Harbour and Ovolo Woolloomooloo; In Melbourne it is Ovolo Laneways; In Brisbane it is Ovolo Inchcolm and Ovolo The Valley and in Canberra it is Ovolo Nishi). In 2018, Jhunjhnuwala opened another hospitality brand in Hong Kong called Mojo Nomad.

2. As requested, the Wiki link for Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year is Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award. The HM Magazine Asia-Pacific Hotelier of the Year Award does not have a Wiki page.

Explanation of issue: I have provided the reference and names of the hotels information to be added. Mojo Nomad is the name of their new hotel and I have provided reference for it. I have also provided the Wiki link for E&Y Award.

References supporting change: I have included all references in the text above.--At My Unicorn Party (talk) 17:20, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

References

I don't see the references listed for this information in the text above. What we need are the individual mentions of each hotel as being opened/owned/financed by the subject in independent reliable sources (an interview with the subject about their hotels would not be considered an independent source, because it is the subject talking about a hotel, and not an independent source making this claim of ownership). Additionally, I dont see a listing of the properties that the subject owns as content that needs to be placed in the article, per WP:NOTADIRECTORY, the article should not become a directory listing of real estate holdings. An acceptable alternative would be a table containing this information, as that form is easier to access at a glance than is information in the form of prose. An emplaced table is acceptable per MOS:EMBED. But even then, there may be objections from other editors asking for the relevance of a list or a table of properties. We cant know for sure until that table is placed in the article, and that cant happen until a request is made with the table inserted in the request. The Ernst and Young Entreprenuer award is different from the EY Entrepreneur Of The Year China 2016 Services Category award. Please clarify which one was won, with a reference for the claim. Please note, that each edit request is its own, individual request, such that references provided in past requests but not repeated here in the newer request can't be approved unless they are provided here. The alternative is to search through a wall of text to find a needle in a haystack. Your assistance in locating the reference and placing it here in the new request is much appreciated. Thank you!  Spintendo  17:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

I've added the Ernst and Young award. The connection is tenuous, but it appears that the China version of this award is an outcrop of the main award, nominally handled by the same organization, which is idependently notable in Wikipedia.  Spintendo  18:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Request edit

Information to be added or removed:

1. In 1984, he graduated from the Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California with a Bachelor of Science in Business Administration.

2. This office complex was developed into a serviced apartment and then a hotel.

3. Please add the following line in biography section:

He owns four hotels in Hong Kong, and six hotels in Australia.

Explanation of issue: I have provided citations for the cn tags and seek the removal of that tag. Since @Spintendo, you are the assigning editor, I request you to please remove the 'citaion needed for verification' tag.

References supporting change: References supporting change are included in the text above. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by At My Unicorn Party (talk • contribs) 17:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

References

Reply 12-APR-2019

  Edit request implemented    Spintendo  08:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Request edit correction

Information to be added: Please change the last line of the 'Biography' section to:

He owns 10 properties — six in Australia and four in Hong Kong.

Explanation of issue: The current statement is incorrectly stated. Darling Harbour and Woolloomooloo are in Sydney. He owns four properties in Hong Kong and six in Australia (2 sydney, 1 melbourne, 2 brisbane and 1 canberra). The information in the current reference is up to date. The terms 'hotels' and 'serviced apartments' was causing confusion. I really appreciate your efforts @Spintendo: and hope that you will rectify the facts. Thanks!

References supporting change: Added along with the content.

--At My Unicorn Party (talk) 20:08, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

References

The claim has been altered to reflect the reporting at the time, which was 2016. If you have updated figures from independent, reliable, secondary sources please provide them. (Interviews with the subject are not secondary sources, and hotel industry publications are not independent.)  Spintendo  20:49, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Request edit contd

Information to be added: Please update the last line of the 'Biography' section with the number of properties in Australia and Hong Kong.

He owns 10 properties — six in Australia and four in Hong Kong.

Explanation of issue: I have provided updated references (2018 and 2019 news) to substantiate the fact that he owns 6 properties in Australia and 4 in Hong Kong. Please revise the statement accordingly. Much appreciated. Thank you.

References supporting change: Added along with the content. --At My Unicorn Party (talk) 18:07, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

References

Reply 15-APR-2019

The purpose of the article is not to keep a running tally of the properties that Ovolo Hotels manages. As reliable sources have reported on key items, they have been discussed here. Whether those properties continue to be managed or were later sold is only material if it were reported in multiple reliable sources, and even then, would be more apropos to the article on Ovolo Hotels. If future items are proposed here, please use the |quote= parameter to highlight the text from independent reliable sources. Gourmet Traveler and Forbes.com are not RS. The information from HNN is apropos for the Ovolo Hotels article. Spintendo  20:49, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

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